Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Keith Addison
Vegetarianism is a cultural and social, rather than a biological, phenomenon. Anatomically and physiologically, the digestive organs of the human species are designed for both animal and plant foods. Moreover, a global cross-cultural survey demonstrates the fact that all cultures, past and

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Doug Foskey
We have a local shrub also (little man trying to be like ( liked) by George...) There is some GM in Aust, but it seems not to have a toe-hold. I was wondering, with our govt signing the US FTA (Free (as in not...) Trade Agreement) if the EPA laws that have been watered in the US will be

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread leo bunyan
Hi DougIt's not a matter of if the EPA laws will be introduced in Oz but When.I saw a journalist on the telly the other night that said "what happens in the US follows on to Aust."We now have fire ants in Oz that came from 2nd hand Agriculture equipment imported from the Statesbecause when we

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Doug Foskey
I think the influence is more evil than ANZAS. I think the US has a stranglehold over our pollies. There was a rumour that the last time Australia stood up to the US, our $A nosedived. The rumour was that unless we behaved, it would keep going down. Look too at the rollercoaster ride of the

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread Mike Weaver
We can't even keep our own currency up these days...the USD has steadily gone down. We're living on borrowed time (and money). What I can't understand is why a lot of the Commonwealth countries follow along by electing the pols the do - Oz, Canada and I don't know as much about the Kiwis -

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-15 Thread leo bunyan
But NZ did recover and is doing so well that a lot of our pollies are buying up land there ie Bob Carr ex NSW PremierDoug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the influence is more evil than ANZAS. I think the US has a stranglehold over our pollies. There was a rumour that the last time

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread JJJN
Hi Marilyn, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk wrote A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless you

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Jason Katie
they are very good for ethanol, they have a mediocre average yield per harvest, but can yield 2 or 3 harvests per season which makes up the difference rather well. - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:04 PM

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Jim, Wednesday, 14 June, 2006, 00:56:51, you wrote: J Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. J I may add to the argument that is stated, J primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to J take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody,

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
Save the animals and stop wasting water by using itfor irrigation, legalize murder and encourage cannibalism. Problem solved, how's that for radical? Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread chem.dd
I find it interesting that some people think that it is morally wrong for humans to eat meat. I respectand understand some groups who choose not to eat meat due to specific religious beliefs. Humans are omnivores because we evolved that way. There are other animals that are herbivores and

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Kirk, Tuesday, 13 June, 2006, 22:01:59, you wrote: KM A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without KM cattle it would yield nothing to eat

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Robert, Wednesday, 14 June, 2006, 01:21:48, you wrote: ...snip... rabr Hmm . . . Maybe that's not what the scriptures are referring to, rabr anyway. Maybe I'd better go back and read that verse again. And then, rabr isn't there something about fishermen spreading nets along the

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Doug Foskey
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 6:36, Chris Lloyd wrote: Save the animals and stop wasting water by using it for irrigation, legalize murder and encourage cannibalism. Problem solved, how's that for radical? Chris. the fattest, juiciest ones come from southern N America! (But for the

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread doug
chem.dd wrote: I find it interesting that some people think that it is morally wrong for humans to eat meat. I respect and understand some groups who choose not to eat meat due to specific religious beliefs. Humans are omnivores because we evolved that way. There are other animals that

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: would you trust it??) No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US pushing GM products and out stupid PM acting as Bushes puppet. Luckily there is a large proportion of the population

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Weaver
keep up the boycott - otherwise we'll never learn. Chris Lloyd wrote: But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: would you trust it??) No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US pushing GM products and out stupid PM acting

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread lres1
I think overall Darwin, or the publishers, got it wrong, the green slime is at the top and the upper class Englishman, plus a few others, at the bottom, for some reason it got inverted in the printed or remembered versions, or was it just too darn much? Several millenium and what does the world

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread marilyn
Kirk wrote A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless you want to munch on the native bunch

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Kirk McLoren
JA - They look like little sunflowers and they stand quite a bit of aridity. Not this much aridity. It would be desert where he lives except the long winter saves its little precipitation for warmer times. I asked him if he was ranching there just to prove he could.Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Chris Lloyd
Question for anyone who knows: Is it too cold for him to grow Jerusalem artichokes? I've heard they take no irrigation and are very good for making ethanol. I do not know about their temperature range but don't they require good fertile soil? Chris.

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.biblelife.org/abrams.htm Anthropological Research Reveals HumanDietary Requirements for Optimal Health H. Leon Abrams, Jr., MA, EDS Associate Professor Emeritus of Anthropology, ECJC, University System of Georgia, Swainsboro, Georgia. Journal of Applied Nutrition, 1982, 16:1:38-45

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-14 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.biblelife.org/abrams2.htm Vegetarianism: Another View H. Leon Abrams, Jr., MA, EDS Associate Professor Emeritus of Anthropology, ECJC, University System of Georgia, Swainsboro, Georgia. Reprinted with permission of the author. Early Humankind Vegetarianism is a cultural and social,

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread Kirk McLoren
A friend of mine raises cattle on the highline in Montana. It takes 40 acres to support 1 cow. The land is useless for agriculture as it is too dry and there is no water for irrigation. Without cattle it would yield nothing to eat unless you want to munch on the native bunch grasses.Kirkpan

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread JJJN
Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. I may add to the argument that is stated, primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody, brutal, and barbaric. If this is true then why is the Wolf wired to kill

Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View

2006-06-13 Thread robert and benita rabello
JJJN wrote: Excellent Piece Keith, I did enjoy it and must agree. You and Keith are SUCH savage carnivores! : - ) I may add to the argument that is stated, primal conviction that killing is wrong. It is just plain wrong to take another animal's life unnecessarily; it is bloody,