Is anyone able to post an overview of the issues involved in making
biodiesel from raw palm oil please ?? Or provide some URL's.
John Smith
Biofuels at Journey to Forever
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Biofuel at WebConX
http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
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Is anyone able to post an overview of the issues involved in making
biodiesel from raw palm oil please ?? Or provide some URL's.
John Smith
It's been pretty well covered here in the last few months, especially
by Michael Allen. Do an archive search for Allen and check the
thread called High
Why not?
I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer could make
just
enough to forestall having to go off-farm for fuel, if this
could be
worth it to him, just for his own fuel needs... probably not.)
I see, Tim gave a figure of $30 per gallon for Hempseed oil in the
marketplace.
Right sorry, I meant what I said in the first place. This up-to-$30
per gallon figure would mean, wouldn't it, that the farmer would
almost have to sell it if he could get that kind of money for it
because it's about 15-25 times more expensive (per BTU or per gallon)
than gasoline or regular
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] skin on biodiesel
Hi Paul, Michael
How do you maintain the heat during the processing hour, Paul?
Keith as this is trully a bucket method of temporary production I don't
maintain the 55 deg. The
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hemp Fuel Conspiracy?
Why not?
I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer could make just
enough to forestall having to go off-farm for fuel, if this could be
worth it to him, just for his own fuel needs... probably not.)
This is
MM wrote:
Thanks Tim. Many good things, and I was looking for this part about
co-products, which I was glad to see you did get in. I was not aware
that it was so accepted that co-products are what is relatively more
profitable from a barrel of oil.
This is one figure we had: As I stated on
Tim,
No hemp farmer in Canada or Europe is expending $600 per acre in
order to get a $600 return.
When you look at those who are cold pressing the seed for oil,
you find that there is an inordinate amount of sludge that gets
separated from the readily filterable oil. Cold pressing does not
give
I am happy to consider the idea that it is the other products in a
barrel which really bring home a somewhat higher margin of money, but
the figure that you cite ($27,000 per about 2.4 barrels of oil) sounds
absurd and for the moment the only thing it really does is prevent me
from lending any
If these formerly waste materials are good for using as some
transportation fuels (such as in tractors) I wonder if they couldn't
also be used in generating electricity or heat.
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:12:43 -0500, you wrote:
Tim,
No hemp farmer in Canada or Europe is expending $600 per acre
MM wrote:
I am happy to consider the idea that it is the other products in a
barrel which really bring home a somewhat higher margin of money, but
the figure that you cite ($27,000 per about 2.4 barrels of oil) sounds
absurd and for the moment the only thing it really does is prevent me
from
Using liquid fuels to produce electricity for any other use than
backup/emergency is not very efficient. The best source for
electricity would be the dried biomass, sans seeds. ( ~16.8
million Btu per ton, 3 + tons per acre, 4,650 + kWh per acre).
Heat would be the useable byproduct of the
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Abandon this top-down, decentralized, think-big view and instead do
everything to encourage small-scale, local production, from backyards
up, including coops and on-farm operations, and I think the picture
would be rather a different one.
Keith
Though wash problems weren't a main point of this thread, they've come up
again in there, so...
Let's not forget that soaps (I guess I've made this point in this thread
already) also cause wash problems, along with the wash problems caused by
poor conversion. I think when you have
Thank you Keith
I have posted the pertinent posts (1508 1526) from the FFA
discussion to the Infopop continuous processor thread. Michael
Allen's explanation of the esterification process is very
appropriate to understanding the workings of ColinS' plant design.
Also your reference lead me
Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting.
I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with some
complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some dramatic
local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain- the
Northern California
I put together a similar type of unit for a buddy's RV, Webasto engine heater
around 44000btu and a rad/fan from a Hyundai - never tried BD or SVO but toasty
25deg C in the dead of winter (-20)on D2. Has anyone done any mods to one of
these units for SVO? Lots of exp with diesel heater (I'm a
Darn wish I would have been around.. if that was all that was wrong with it
then it wouldn't be that hard to fix. I would have given a few pesos for
it.. Bonus points if it had been a chevy or GM truck..
Bryan Fullerton
White Knight Gifts
www.youcandobusiness.com
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hey all.
some friends of mine at a not for profit company just informed me
that had acquired a ford f600 truck. I looked for F600 in Tickell's
book and did not find it...
any issues with this vehicle and biod? Is this a good vehicle to fit
wiht a dual tank and just run WVO - they have
Hi Hakan, Joel
Dear Joel,
This information was provided earlier by Keith as an argument
on this issues. Since it is the round for last word, I like to
clarify my understanding of the discussion.
Motie who is deeply involved with forest management in the area
where he lives, have some local and
I have always read in the manuals of the Diesels that I have owned that have
glow plugs NOT to use ether (Volvo and Ford 6.9 NA). But, I understand, for
example, that the Diesels in the Mercedes Unimogs, that don't have glow
plugs, allow the use of ether. In fact, there is a factory option to
Why not?
I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer could make
just
enough to forestall having to go off-farm for fuel, if this
could be
worth it to him, just for his own fuel needs... probably not.)
I see, Tim gave a figure of $30 per gallon for Hempseed oil in the
marketplace.
Right sorry, I meant what I said in the first place. This up-to-$30
per gallon figure would mean, wouldn't it, that the farmer would
almost have to sell it if he could get that kind of money for it
because it's about 15-25 times more expensive (per BTU or per gallon)
than gasoline or regular
Dear Keith,
I really got you motoring and it is very interesting to read
your views. Thank you for expanding on the issue, I do not
find anything important that we disagree on. And thank you
for keeping a constructive and active attitude, this is maybe
the most important thing we can do.
When
Bryan:
A fully loaded Chevy Suburban Silverado. It was an all around bad mistake.
I do have a bad temper. It was an excellent tax write off. Again,
hopefully a new person to diesels won't do the same.
Harley
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From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
hey all.
some friends of mine at a not for profit company just informed me
that had acquired a ford f600 truck. I looked for F600 in Tickell's
book and did not find it...
any issues with this vehicle and biod? Is this a good vehicle to fit
wiht a dual tank and just run WVO - they have more
Hi Hakan
Dear Keith,
I really got you motoring and it is very interesting to read
your views. Thank you for expanding on the issue, I do not
find anything important that we disagree on. And thank you
for keeping a constructive and active attitude, this is maybe
the most important thing we can
You would have to coat the rebar, long enough in advance,that the oil would
have a chance to cure, and form a coating. This would only slow the break
down process. Much of the break down comes from electrolytic corrosion
caused by dissimilar metals being in proximity to each other with the
Grahams wrote:
I used such a machine for my house in town. It was very nice, but
I will explain the concepts of this house a bit better. First realize it is
located on a farm-(perhaps more correctly an eventual homestead) in VA.
Here we have copious amounts of red clay- being
If you put linseed oil on a cured floor it is one thing. But it you put
humus particles in concrete before it is cured, I know that it can be a
disaster.
Hakan
At 09:19 AM 12/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
You would have to coat the rebar, long enough in advance,that the oil would
have a chance
Of Course the manuals say not to use ether along with other legal jargon and
this is exactly why they say not to use it. Because they can't regulate HOW
people use it. You think they want to have to do warranty work because
someone else screwed up? If you dont understand how ether/startingfluid
LOL I been looking for one of those. I prefer body and interior in good
shape and engine shot. I hate body work but dont mind pulling engines to
rebuild them. Things like running out of oil, swallowed glowplugs etc..
Getting them like that is the only way I can afford them. LOL
Yes folks that
Could you please elaborate? You keep saying humus or humus partials is bad
for concrete, but, that is all you say. Why would boiled linseed oil be bad
for concrete after it has cured?
Greg H.
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Hello Myles
There are good yield tables here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
Vegetable oil yields, characteristics
They're low averages, you can do much better than that with a small plot.
For other oil crops, try these:
NewCrop SearchEngine at the Center for New Crops
I am saying that humus material is bad for concrete before it is cured,
please look at my message. Concrete does not cure properly with humus
material, which is one of the first things you learn about concrete. I
asked for documentation of investigations that it could be used in/on
concrete
MM wrote:
Thanks Tim. Many good things, and I was looking for this part about
co-products, which I was glad to see you did get in. I was not aware
that it was so accepted that co-products are what is relatively more
profitable from a barrel of oil.
This is one figure we had: As I stated on
Hi Hakan
I'm confused by your saying humus material. Do you mean organic
material, or biological material? Humus is what you get in soil, or
should if it's still alive, complicated stuff. Sorry, after what
we've just been saying about English! :-)
Linseed oil or flaxseed oil is a drying oil,
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
something of interest
http://www.rerorust.de/
Quite a lot of scepticism about him.
Do these look that good to you?
Cocked or gummed parts? My engine got checked.
http://www.rerorust.de/rapsoel/check2_uk.htm
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great
because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, -
40 is
both C F, it is the point where they meet.
I had a 1/4 ton truck that
Hello Robert
snip
The biofuels list includes a very diverse group of people with
wide ranging
expertise. I'm pleased that Keith allows us to discuss topics only
tangentially
related to the list theme--thanks! It's a real education being here!
Isn't it just? Tangentially related, yes,
I am happy to consider the idea that it is the other products in a
barrel which really bring home a somewhat higher margin of money, but
the figure that you cite ($27,000 per about 2.4 barrels of oil) sounds
absurd and for the moment the only thing it really does is prevent me
from lending any
If these formerly waste materials are good for using as some
transportation fuels (such as in tractors) I wonder if they couldn't
also be used in generating electricity or heat.
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:12:43 -0500, you wrote:
Tim,
No hemp farmer in Canada or Europe is expending $600 per acre
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
something of interest
http://www.rerorust.de/
Quite a lot of scepticism about him.
Do these look that good to you?
Cocked or gummed parts? My engine got checked.
The Kyoto Protocol is now law in Canada. This law will help us
introduce renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel, which will
help us survive as a civilization. Kyoto will also help reduce
greenhouse gases
Toronto Star Article:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?
MM wrote:
I am happy to consider the idea that it is the other products in a
barrel which really bring home a somewhat higher margin of money, but
the figure that you cite ($27,000 per about 2.4 barrels of oil) sounds
absurd and for the moment the only thing it really does is prevent me
from
On a tractor I drove it said do not heat [use glowplugs] if you're going
to use ether.
desertstallion wrote:
I have always read in the manuals of the Diesels that I have owned that have
glow plugs NOT to use ether (Volvo and Ford 6.9 NA). But, I understand, for
example, that the Diesels in
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
A start for that might be found in the current over-production of
sugar beet, rather than using inequitable trading arrangements to
dump it on 3rd World countries, distorting their markets and rural
sectors.
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Subject: FBI Surveillance
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:47:25 -0500
From: Ray Dicks [EMAIL
Hi Keith,
Well in that case I mean humus as in soil and this is
why you have to wash sand and gravel if it contains
humus, before you use it in concrete. That is why I wanted
to see the experiments referred to in the link,
http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/flaxind7.htm
not because I say that it cannot
Yeah, Keith-
think waste crops and weeds and we're thinking outside the mainsteam of
biofuel thought...I'm thinking these Laurel (Laurus Nobilus) hedges around
town which grow like bandits annually, and which produce oil (they're a
member of the avocado family I believe) might prove a good fuel
back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-)
Steve Spence
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To:
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm still confused- can you clear this up just one more time,
please- I
promise I'll write it down- is girl mark a guy or girl?
I'll start by being a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does it really matter? Pay attention
to her thoughts
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in January on planned common rules for the taxation of energy
products, German Finance
Abandon this top-down, decentralized, think-big view and instead do
everything to encourage small-scale, local production, from backyards
up, including coops and on-farm operations, and I think the picture
would be rather a different one.
Keith
I remember when it was so cold the barking of the dogs froze right into the
snow banks.
You should have heard it during Spring thaw!
:)
I saw a couple of our hunting dogs out in the field with jumper cables
trying to jump start a jackrabbit!
That's Montana cold.
Kirk
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Odiksx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks alot for your info about converting gasoline
engine to diesel engine. As a review; finding a diesel
engine instead of converting is better...
I think the Olds 350 and the Chevy 5.7 Diesel are 2 different engines
that
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to
start our
big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get
it
turning. most starters can be overrun, so it may have been a fluke
in your
womplex_oo1 wrote:
The Kyoto Protocol is now law in Canada. This law will help us
introduce renewable fuels such as ethanol and biodiesel, which will
help us survive as a civilization. Kyoto will also help reduce
greenhouse gases
Yes, but will the authorities change their
Who is in their underwear?
We don't use any clothes at this time of the year.
Merry Xmas to all.
raw
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From: Robby Davenport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Art Stone; bryan; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; Chuck Griffith (E-mail);
Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting.
I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with some
complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some dramatic
local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain- the
Northern California
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