Re: [biofuels-biz] A nice story

2003-12-15 Thread martin.brook
Nice one, Merry Christmas. - Original Message - From: David Teal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] A nice story One of my customers for biodiesel is a musician. He decided to build a new recording studio

[biofuels-biz] world bank's dirty mining revealed in new report

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.foei.org/media/2003/1208.html foei press release friends of the earth international world bank's dirty mining revealed in new report The Report is Embargoed until 00.01h GMT on Dec. 11, 2003 and now available for preview by journalists at www.foei.org/media/2003/handsoff.html

[biofuels-biz] Re: Poppin'

2003-12-15 Thread girl_mark_fire
ooh, tell us aobut vegtherm -lite. What is tha application- heating biodiesel lines, or is it an svo application still? Time for my Yearly Wintertime Retelling of the one single Berkeley Recycling gelled fuel story. They run 16 (garbage type) curbaide recycling trucks on B100 in Berkeley,

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: I called the EPA today

2003-12-15 Thread girl_mark_fire
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called Jim Caldwell at the EPA today to talk about the classification of biodiesel within the EPA registration process (ie whether it's classified as non-baseline or atypical), and to ask about the possible small business

[biofuel] methanol source in arizona Re: New to Bio-Diesel, Need Methanol

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a place to buy methanol online? I found one place, I usually look in the phone book for wholesale gas distributors and for hot rod/performance places- sometimes racecar engine builders will order a drum or

[biofuel] whoops, Correction!!! my bad Re: methanol recovery

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
Whoops, I screwed up my post to Todd about reverse reaction, and it's super confusing as a result. I said: Reverse reaction: I'm talking about Neutral from the infopop forum and others who have had glycerol completely disappear under the following conditions: Neutral was running methanol

[biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
I thought that the problem with excess methanol is that it's an atmospheric pollutant- Sure it is (ozone-forming, mainly, I think), but it's not just vapour - the liquid form doesn't do a whole lot of good when it gets into the groundwater. Maybe it'll get broken down in the soil first, if it

[biofuel] 86 mercedes w126?

2003-12-15 Thread newdlhead
I give up! I give up! I have been to all the BIO sites I can find. Benz sites too. I can't find a shred of information on the Mercedes 86 W126 300SDL in regard to Biodiesel conversion and reliability issues. On the same token, there was nothing I could find on the 77-85 W123 300D, which I

[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler?

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
Thankyou Matt Nice byte-sized rule: in a diesel leaner means cooler, richer means hotter. I'll forward your message. Thanks again. Best Keith Keith et al, I cannot explian why it is so but a compression engine is not the same as an ignition engine, meaning that in a diesel leaner means

[biofuel] Fwd: EPA mercury rule / BushGreenWatch.org

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
From: Ryan Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EPA mercury rule / BushGreenWatch.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:18:36 -0500 EMS Update - December 15, 2003 EPA Expected to Weaken Mercury Standards Today is the EPA's deadline to announce its plan for regulating

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread alex
It seems to me that SVO is a better solution then ethanol. Why?- Because it is easy to make and easy to get, license free. One really doesn't have to make aplant for it - it is very safe too! Lets suppose for a minute that diesel engine could run on SVO without any mods. Will we need diesel

[biofuel] world bank's dirty mining revealed in new report

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.foei.org/media/2003/1208.html foei press release friends of the earth international world bank's dirty mining revealed in new report The Report is Embargoed until 00.01h GMT on Dec. 11, 2003 and now available for preview by journalists at www.foei.org/media/2003/handsoff.html

RE: [biofuel] New to Bio-Diesel, Need Methanol

2003-12-15 Thread Chuck Cole
Go talk to your racing pals. You should be able to get 55 gal of racing fuel in your area for 2-3 bucks a gal. -Original Message- From: Boston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 8:05 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] New to Bio-Diesel, Need

Re: [biofuel] Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler?

2003-12-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Keith Addison wrote: Hi Martin If it is in fact running hotter, you could use a water injection system to cool it down (and also increase efficiency a bit) ..or can you not do this with a diesel as you can with a gasoline engine? -Martin Klingensmith Water in Diesel

Re: [biofuel] New to Bio-Diesel, Need Methanol

2003-12-15 Thread Martin Klingensmith
That is insanely expensive! Places to find methanol include: racing shops, dry-gas, perhaps a chemical supplier (technical grade). -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Boston wrote: Hello All, My name is Boston, I am getting the Itch to try Bio-Diesel for

Re: [biofuel] Heating with SVO

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
I have the oppertiunity to get lots of WVO for free. I don't own a diesel vehicle and cannot afford to buy one at the moment. The only heat I have for my house is a woodstove. I started thinking if I had a way to burn WVO I could take care of all my heating needs. Does anybody have any plans

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread murdoch
Aside: I do want to say that awhile back you shot down my interest in completely-different non-natural production of biofuels and ethanol and what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever, Point me at it please? I'd like to have a look at what I shot down.

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Addison
Aside: I do want to say that awhile back you shot down my interest in completely-different non-natural production of biofuels and ethanol and what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever, Point me at it please? I'd like to have a look at what I shot down.

[biofuel] Re: What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread shawstafari
Murdoch, Once again it comes to mind that I'd love to see an alcohol fuel cell for cars. I'm *very* into the ethanol powered fuel cell developments, but I don't think we ought to put energies towards developing fuel cells for vehicle use per se. Just think of all the copper that would be

[biofuel] Newbie looking for advice

2003-12-15 Thread RGMTRUCK
Hi all, I have been following this list for a while know and am very interested in making Biodiesel for my own use. I am building a retirement home in northern Michigan that is a totally off grid. We have solar and wind power for our electric. I have installed a solar wall for some of my

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread alex
If Rudolf Diesel was able to make an engine which runs on SWO in 1913 I don't see the reason why it can't be done in 2003. After all we are trying to explore life on Mars! If for DIY guy takes $300 to make car to run on SWO, I don't see why car makers couldn't do it as an option - a truly

[biofuel] Re: Re: price of world energy BD going up?

2003-12-15 Thread Thor Skov
Mark, Good points. But i'm still unclear about the economics of large-scale commercial production. Whether you're using oil that is a byproduct of the livestock feed industry or getting biodiesel as a byproduct of making soap, I don't see why that should matter. The point I'm making is that

Re: [biofuel] Re: What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, shawstafari wrote: I'm *very* into the ethanol powered fuel cell developments, but I don't think we ought to put energies towards developing fuel cells for vehicle use per se. Just think of all the copper that would be needed! Ahh, the wheels of capitalism they do turn.

RE: [biofuel] New to Bio-Diesel, Need Methanol

2003-12-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Boston Bryce wrote: I'm looking for a place to buy methanol online? I found one place, but seemed a bit pricey for 5 gallons. Is this a normal cost for Methanol? $25.00 for 5 gallons $20.00 HazMat Handling $20.00 Shipping + Tax = $70.00 I live in Phoenix, AZ and

Re: [biofuel] Re: What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread murdoch
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:00:59 -, you wrote: Murdoch, Once again it comes to mind that I'd love to see an alcohol fuel cell for cars. I'm *very* into the ethanol powered fuel cell developments, but I don't think we ought to put energies towards developing fuel cells for vehicle use per se.

[biofuel] washing of the water and pollution

2003-12-15 Thread MALONEKR
I have considered biodiesel production for some years now and wonder about the confusions and the truth about several procedures.Doing it right and cleanly should be upmost in everyone's mind.The Big Oil Business has a terrible record of doing anything cleanly as i know from years of living

[biofuel] Economics of ethyl ester biodiesel process

2003-12-15 Thread alon s.
I have question for the biodiesel makers in the group. I had gathered some materials here in Israel, for making biodisel. I am using ethanol not methanol . Both from health and environmental reasons. And I am wondering if it is worth while, economically I brought potassium hydroxide for 0.81

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread murdoch
You snipped quite a bit, I'll put it back: ... what-not, from such schemes as PV-to-H2-to-C2H6O, or whatever, and I did not agree at all with this, but it didn't seem important to argue it at length at that time. I know what I think on the matter. If it can be done sustainably then I'm for

RE: [biofuel] Commercial production

2003-12-15 Thread Franklin B. Del Rosario
Hi to all My salute and million thanks to people behind in making this website I donĂ¢t want to elaborate more but express my gratitude and personal thank you to all. My your day be merry this coming season greetings Best wishes Frank -Original Message- From: Keith Addison

Re: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
No Maria. What I've said is that heat can help break an emulsion. Key word is help. It's not a guarantee and it doesn't work with all emulsions. As for your contention that heat doesn't aid in the formation of emulsions, you might want to consider something as simple as whether or not warmer

Re: [biofuel] Newbie looking for advice

2003-12-15 Thread Aaron F. Wieler
Disclaimer: I still haven't made BD. I can still think and use a calculator, though. OK... You're looking at a lot of electricity to heat your fuel through the reaction. I would suggest that you consider heating the WVO in a separate container with WVO, biodiesel, or byproduct before the

Re: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Maria, You might care to consider whether or not it's calcium and other residue in the lining of the hot H20 tank that you've converted to a processor that is lending to your cloud problem. Doubtful that aereation from the pump, of and by itself, is lending to the cloudiness. Todd Swearingen

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Alex, Rudolf Diesel's engine for SVO was a failure, he actually tried to make an engine that was meant to run on coal dust. He got money to develop that and he ended up with an engine that was working with vegetable oil. Maybe we need some more useful mistakes, maybe as a result of the Bush

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Maud, is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl ester considered negligible? Is it possible to determine what percentage remains in the methyl ester and what percentage in the glycerol? Maud Just for grins and giggles and to answer part of your question, a 100 milileter sample of

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
Do not be so sure, they are professional on making mistakes. Think about all the money spent on finding WMDs and Iraqi freedom . As a byproduct of this mistake, they now control maybe the largest oil reserves on Earth. The money that is spent on hydrogen freedom car, might end up to be a

[biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
this is before I worked with the hot water heaters.I't's a drum-based tank (110 gallons, two drums welded together) , identical to previous partly-sealed processors of mine but more tightly sealed. I didn't say aeration either. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] What's the true story on ethanol?

2003-12-15 Thread murdoch
Indeed, I love mistakes in engineering. On the issue of what's different between then and now, I'm not sure if even he could have overcome, with or without mistakes, the deliberate studied neglect of important technologies and industries and issues by the present powers-that-be. On Tue, 16

Re: [biofuel] Commercial production

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Frank..., And a Happy Humbug! to all as well. Ye indeede! Humbug! Humbug! in July. Humbug! in May! Humbug! in February! Humbug! Yes.., Bahh Humbug! But don't be any the less happy about it! :-) Celebrate Humbug!!! - Original Message - From: Franklin B. Del

[biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
this is before I worked with the hot water heaters.I't's a drum-based tank (110 gallons, two drums welded together) , identical to previous partly-sealed processors of mine but more tightly sealed. I didn't say aeration either. mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Maria, Pumps tend to aereate when the return is not below the fluid line. Splashing, agitation, aereationalmost all the same kettle of phish. Still, it shouldn't matter one whit when it comes to clarity, as even the most micro of bubbles should come out of solution rather quickly. Next

[biofuel] I called the EPA today- Jim Caldwell's explanation

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
I called Jim Caldwell at the EPA today to talk about the classification of biodiesel within the EPA registration process (ie whether it's classified as non-baseline or atypical), and to ask about the possible small business producer exemptions for Tier I/Tier II testing for EPA registration

[biofuel] Jeezus Todd Re: methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread skillshare
You still weren't listening to what I said (in your hurry to disprove it because I mentioned the awful, terrible name of 'infopop biodiesel forum'. I don' t always agree with what Neutral reports (or anyone else on any forum for that matter, you, me, ken,keith, whomever, we all get confused

Re: [biofuel] Studied Neglect

2003-12-15 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, Seeing it from the outside, the only US politician on that level, that ever made any technical sense when he talk, is Al Gore. The others I heard, either do not know enough or do not want to know. He is not running, so I do not know what you can do. I followed some of the debates and

[biofuel] Studied Neglect

2003-12-15 Thread murdoch
The other day I spoke to a woman near Tucson, Arizona (an hour from where I am moving) who had done a lot with her 5 acres, her livestock, her house and who and some real interest and expertise in engineering. She had looked into installing some solar PV a year or two ago and had run into the