[Biofuel] Business Plan
I am looking for a Business Plan (Boilerplate) for Bio-Diesel. If any one has one that I can use a a guide please email it to me. Thanks Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Steve Spence wrote: One of us didn't do our math correctly. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons .79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons 62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles. Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not available in the US As far as I can tell. Lets try again. one US gallon = 3.785 liters -or- 3 litres = 0.7926 US gallon one kilometre = 0.6214 (statute) miles 100 km x 0.6214 miles/km equals 62.14 miles divide by 0.7926 US gallon equals 78.4 miles/US gallon 235.2/3 = 78.4 miles/US gallon. I like the one below, too. pg. 46 (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US California Ethanol
ETHANOL As a Transportation Fuel In California http://www.energy.ca.gov/ethanol/index.html As of January 1, 2004, California completed a transition from methyl tertiary butyl-ether (MTBE) to ethanol as a gasoline oxygenate additive. With most gasoline sold in the state presently containing 5.7 percent ethanol, California is now the largest ethanol fuel market in the United States. About one billion gallons of ethanol are expected to be used in the state's gasoline supply in 2004. The Energy Commission continues to study the potential for ethanol fuel production and use as part of California's overall strategy to assure adequate transportation energy supplies and reduce dependence on petroleum. In addition to its use as a gasoline blending component, ethanol can also be used as E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline) in flexible fuel vehicles being produced by automakers. Most of California's current ethanol supply comes from the Midwest U.S. corn-based industry, with a small supply contribution from foreign imports. There are only two small producers of ethanol in California today; however, a number of projects for expanded in state ethanol production are under consideration. [more] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US Minnesota E20 Plan
Steve Spence wrote: Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol in gasoline. NY is at 10% currently. It's my understanding California is as well. Steve, Were did you read New York uses E10 statewide? = = = Original message = = = Pawlenty pushes plan to double ethanol in gasoline Brian Bakst, Associated Press September 27, 2004 http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5002480.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Don't suppose you ever thought of doing the work yourself, did ya'? You've got free how to info out the yazoo. You've got schematics and footprints and the gods know what else all for zero cost. And after that feast of pablam you're still looking for a wet nurse? What? Can't be bothered by little inconveniences like applying all the freebies to your particular application? Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be so kind as to e-mail it to me? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Business Plan I am looking for a Business Plan (Boilerplate) for Bio-Diesel. If any one has one that I can use a a guide please email it to me. Thanks Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
We use Km/l in India. How many litres are there in a gallon? M.P.Singh - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Wou , wou wou, Unless you use different miles or gallons, Steve, the 3liter /100 km translates to 78 miles/gallon pretty close to 80mpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so it's not admirable, but doable. However, the Lupo isn't available here in the states, so the Jetta/Beetle is the best we can get at the moment. = = = Original message = = = Steve, The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing 100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate diesel. Hakan -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Everyone seems to be poor in maths, let me give it a try If what you say is correct i.e. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons Then 1 mile = 1.61 km and 1gallon = 4.78 litres therefore, 100km/3litres will be 33.33 km/litre which is 20.70 miles/ litre which further means 98.95 miles/gallon So if the conversion provided by you is correct, then 100 km/3L and 100 mpg are nearly comparable Best wishes M.P. Singh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen One of us didn't do our math correctly. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons .79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons 62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles. Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not available in the US As far as I can tell. = = = Original message = = = Steve, The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing 100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate diesel. Hakan I sure wouldn't mind getting 100 km on 3 litre. Here in the states that's 235.2 divide by 3 equals 78.4 miles per US gallon. Was your fuel economy around town? It sure would nice to have a VW Lupo diesel or its little brother the one litre diesel tandem seater (235.2 miles/US gallon). SNIP pg. 46 A typical recent-year production car gets about 28 EPA adjusted mpg, or 8.4 liters of fuel per 100 km, on level city streets. (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com SNIP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Ph.D in Biodiesel
Dear sukumar and sashi kumar, I am siva a software and telecommunication engineer from Bangalore. I am also very much interested in bio-diesel as a hobby for now, but want to get into that more seriously as years go. Please let me know i what way I can start contributing in the effort staying at Bangalore. But full time will be difficult. Best regards, siva. --- sukumar puhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear sashi Kumar, Here sukumar from india (chennai). I too also finished M.Tech. in Mechanical Engg. and got 2 years experience in biodiesel preparation, emission, performance and combustion analysis. All these work i did in Anna University and CLRI. I have a group of people also like Agricultural, Chemical, Automobile, Biochemistry but i don't have a botany specialist. If u willing to join in our group then we will do a better work and we can start a company in india also. PLz Feel free to ask your queery Looking forward to your reply thanking you sukumar puhan shashi kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, Can any one help me to find the name of universities in USA having PhD programmes on Biodiesel i have done my Masters in Botany in India Warm Greeetings, Ajay Kumar. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79 litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british gallons. M.P. Singh - Original Message - From: M.P.Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Everyone seems to be poor in maths, let me give it a try If what you say is correct i.e. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons Then 1 mile = 1.61 km and 1gallon = 4.78 litres therefore, 100km/3litres will be 33.33 km/litre which is 20.70 miles/ litre which further means 98.95 miles/gallon So if the conversion provided by you is correct, then 100 km/3L and 100 mpg are nearly comparable Best wishes M.P. Singh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen One of us didn't do our math correctly. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons .79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons 62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles. Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not available in the US As far as I can tell. = = = Original message = = = Steve, The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing 100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate diesel. Hakan I sure wouldn't mind getting 100 km on 3 litre. Here in the states that's 235.2 divide by 3 equals 78.4 miles per US gallon. Was your fuel economy around town? It sure would nice to have a VW Lupo diesel or its little brother the one litre diesel tandem seater (235.2 miles/US gallon). SNIP pg. 46 A typical recent-year production car gets about 28 EPA adjusted mpg, or 8.4 liters of fuel per 100 km, on level city streets. (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com SNIP ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
M.P., This show that, what is a pipe dream for the Americans, is a reality for the British. LOL Hakan At 09:36 AM 9/30/2004, you wrote: I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79 litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british gallons. M.P. Singh - Original Message - From: M.P.Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Everyone seems to be poor in maths, let me give it a try If what you say is correct i.e. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons Then 1 mile = 1.61 km and 1gallon = 4.78 litres therefore, 100km/3litres will be 33.33 km/litre which is 20.70 miles/ litre which further means 98.95 miles/gallon So if the conversion provided by you is correct, then 100 km/3L and 100 mpg are nearly comparable Best wishes M.P. Singh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen One of us didn't do our math correctly. 100 km = 62 miles 3.78 liters is .79 gallons .79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons 62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles. Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not available in the US As far as I can tell. = = = Original message = = = Steve, The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing 100 km on 3 litre, so the admirable target can already be bought. It is a nice car and fast enough to get hefty speeding tickets in the US. I tried and like it, will buy one when I sell my Nissan estate diesel. Hakan I sure wouldn't mind getting 100 km on 3 litre. Here in the states that's 235.2 divide by 3 equals 78.4 miles per US gallon. Was your fuel economy around town? It sure would nice to have a VW Lupo diesel or its little brother the one litre diesel tandem seater (235.2 miles/US gallon). SNIP pg. 46 A typical recent-year production car gets about 28 EPA adjusted mpg, or 8.4 liters of fuel per 100 km, on level city streets. (To convert between miles per U.S. gallon [mpg] and L/100 km, divide 235.2 by the other.) Winning the Oil Endgame - http://www.oilendgame.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
On 2004-09-30 07.05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip.. Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be so kind as to e-mail it to me? Todd Swearingen Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments. Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
M.P., This show that, what is a pipe dream for the Americans, is a reality for the British. LOL Hakan = Now, now Hakan, Don't laugh too soon. Another phrase: This show ain't (is not) over yet! Keeping my grin to myself, Ron B. 8~) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US Minnesota E20 Plan
I gave a url in my other post. January 1st, 2004, every pump here in NY had a sign on it explaining that it now contained 10% ethanol. MTBE was banned statewide at that time. = = = Original message = = = Steve Spence wrote: Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol in gasoline. NY is at 10% currently. It's my understanding California is as well. Steve, Were did you read New York uses E10 statewide? = = = Original message = = = Pawlenty pushes plan to double ethanol in gasoline Brian Bakst, Associated Press September 27, 2004 http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5002480.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise? Thank you From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:08:27 +0200 On 2004-09-30 07.05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip.. Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be so kind as to e-mail it to me? Todd Swearingen Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments. Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Hi Joe, Business plans are built uniquely for each situation. If you need a loan then that plan is different than if you are looking for investors. Forming a coop is entirely different from either of the other two. Some grants are so comprehensive that it could take months to complete all the required criteria. You have to include your feed stock source, your local commitments from taxing authorities, and a whole lot more. One thing you could do would be to just start an outline. That outline could be from a standard business school format, which may not be practical for your purposes. We help our associates with their plans when they make a commitment to use our processing plants. Hope this helps, Peggy Peggy G Korth BioFuels Energy Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Business Plan I am looking for a Business Plan (Boilerplate) for Bio-Diesel. If any one has one that I can use a a guide please email it to me. Thanks Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cheap oil
Global Capitalism and the end of Cheap Oil I just encountered two articles at my library that strengthens my belief that we are beginning to see the end of cheap oil NOW from how we've always known it. We won't have to wait 10 years. One was an article by T. Boone Pickens, the Texas oil mogol. The other was an article in the Kipplinger Newsletter, a newsletter printed monthly for the business world. The article in Kipplinger says that oil is skyrocketing for a number of reasons, including the political destabilization of oil producing regions throughout the world. (Remember Bush's argument that our invasion of Iraq would help secure the Iraqi oil fields? Well, the terrorists are now targeting the oil industry as a strategy to cripple our economy -- starting with Iraq.) Another BIG factor is the booming economic growth now taking place in India and China. Especially the booming manufacturing capability of China. Not only is oil affected (it's being bought up as fast as it is being pumped -- OPEC seems unable to make up the difference anymore), but valuable other irreplaceable resources are being sucked up by these nations -- for example, American scrap iron. Add to that the fact that the international transport infrastructure (trains, planes, ships, etc) is now being taxed to the hilt due to a soaring amount of imports and exports (also reported by Kissinger) and put it together, we see a significant impact on our economy. Pickens view is that unless things change, all nations -- attempting to copy the American economic model of the past -- will be competing with each other for fewer and fewer oil reserves. He sees $50 to $100 per barrel oil becoming the norm, for example. I see the same thing for items like bauxite, iron ore, and such -- essential raw materials required in the manufacturing process. Thus simple living will become an economic necessity as things balance out throughout the world, At the same time developing nations become more like the U.S., we no doubt will become more like them -- MY words. But this is not such a bad thing. As I have said before here, that hardly means that we'll be living in grass huts. More like it, we will be living much like we did in the Forties, Fifties or maybe the Sixties, my guess. Ross Cannon 0oo00o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oo0o00o0o0o0o0o0 The Equinox is here again, marking a brief time of balance on this plane of existence. We feel the passage of time with the colors of fall, spring for our friends to the south. We feel an intuitive need to pause and to reflect on where we are in our life's journey. RossCannon Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79 litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british gallons. Yup. 3L/100km equals 78.39 mpg (US) and 94.16 mpg (Imp). Of course, I didn't do any math. :) I just used the conversion form at: http://www.tdiclub.com/misc/conversions.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE examines long-term oil supply scenarios The Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the US Department of Energy (DOE) has released a study that examined long-term supply scenarios for world petroleum. Under the most likely scenario-- assuming a 2% annual growth rate for world's oil demand and the mean value for the amount of oil reserves--the study predicts that petroleum production will reach its peak in 2037. The study is a re-release of an oil supply prognosis originally published in July 2000, prompted in part by the increasing fuel prices in the USA. There has been no new information or developments that would significantly alter the year 2000 results, stated the EIA. The study is based on estimates of world's oil resources by the US Geological Survey. The EIA estimated that the world's growth in oil demand will be 1.9% through 2025. The critical event in world oil production will be when it reaches its peak. The following decline in oil production would leave some oil demand unsatisfied, likely leading to significant price increases. The date of the peak depends on the rate of demand growth and assumed reserves. Twelve scenarios were examined in the study, for different oil demand growth rate (0-3%) and different oil reserves. The potential dates for the peak oil production ranged from 2021 to 2112. Only conventionally reservoired crude oil reserves were analyzed in the study. Additional petroleum supply is expected from unconventional sources. Commercial production has already started from such sources as the Canadian tar sands and Venezuelan heavy oils. While the EIA analysis is less alarming than some other reports, its authors noted that the results do not justify complacency about both supply- and demand-side research and development. The EIA also prepares short-term energy outlook reports, published monthly. In the most recent September issue, the EIA revised the projected world oil demand growth for 2004 to 3.2% (from a previous prediction of 2.5%) above the 2003 demand. Strong demand from China accounts for much of the upward revision. Global oil demand growth in 2005 is expected to slow down to 2.4% due to the increased oil prices. Long term outlook: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/feature_articles/2004/wor ldoilsupply/oilsupply04.html Short term outlook: http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/contents.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US DOE estimates future potential of hybrid and diesel cars
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE estimates future potential of hybrid and diesel cars The DOE's Oak Ridge National Laboratory released a report titled Future Potential of Hybrid and Diesel Powertrains in the US Light- Duty Vehicle Market, which forecasts a growth of 4-7% in light-duty diesel vehicles in the USA by 2012. Diesel and hybrid technologies each have the potential to increase light-duty vehicle fuel economy by a third or more without loss of performance, yet these technologies have typically been excluded from technical assessments of fuel economy potential on the grounds that hybrids are too expensive and diesels cannot meet Tier 2 emissions standards. Recently, hybrid costs have come down and the few hybrid makes available are selling well. Diesels have made great strides in reducing particulate and nitrogen oxide emissions, and are likely though not certain to meet future standards, concluded the authors of the report. The study predicts that by 2008 hybrids could capture 4-7% and diesels 2-4% of the light-duty market. These shares could increase to 10-15% for hybrids and 4-7% for diesels by 2012. The resulting impacts on fleet average fuel economy would be about +2% in 2008 and +4% in 2012. Authors of the study also noted that if diesels and hybrids were widely available across vehicle classes, makes, and models, they could capture 40% or more of the light-duty vehicle market. Current penetration of diesels amounts to about 0.2% of the US light-duty vehicle market. Diesel technology accounts for over 40% of the new vehicle market in Europe. The increasing diesel market is driven by good performance of modern diesel engines, superior fuel economy, and--from the regulatory standpoint--reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. The major obstacle preventing diesels from wider entry into the US market are the stringent NOx emission limits in the federal Tier 2 and California LEV II emission standards. For new passenger cars and light light-duty trucks (LDT), Tier 2 standards phase-in beginning in 2004, with full implementation by 2007. For heavy LDTs and medium-duty passenger vehicles (MDPV), the Tier 2 standards will be phased in beginning in 2008, with full compliance in 2009. The study forecast that diesel engines should be able to meet Tier 2 emission standards. The added cost of emission control systems, however, would make the cost penalty in diesels comparable to that in hybrid vehicles. http://www-cta.ornl.gov/cta/Publications/pdf/ORNL_TM_2004_181_HybridDiesel.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Conference Report: DEER 2004
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Conference Report: DEER 2004 The 10th Diesel Engine Emissions Reduction Conference (DEER) organized by the office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) of the US DOE was held from August 29 to September 2 in San Diego, CA. This years' conference--chaired, as before, by John Fairbanks--attracted a record attendance of over 500 delegates who discussed a number of diesel engine related topics including energy efficiency and climate change, clean diesel combustion, aftertreatment technologies, emission measurement, as well as health and environmental impact of emissions. The opening plenary session focused on government policies on energy efficiency and emissions. Reducing oil consumption and the dependence on foreign oil becomes increasingly more important, as the USA--which consumes 25% of the world's oil production with only 5% of the world's population--imports 63% of its crude oil (E. Wall, DOE). The main research directions to achieve that goal include new, advanced combustion regimes, new fuels, and engine waste heat recovery. The DOE has been also recognizing the potential of diesels to bring an energy efficiency improvement. California authorities on the other hand--not only the ARB, but also the California Energy Commission (CEC)--were not overly enthusiastic about the increased diesel population (J. Boyd, CEC). While a gradual increase in light-duty diesel penetration is anticipated, the prospects in the USA are still uncertain. The short-term outlook depends on whether the manufacturers are able to meet the stringent Tier 2 and California LEV II NOx emission standards. Fuel cells might become a future light-duty vehicle technology in the long term, on the order of 50 years (J. Heywood, MIT). In the mid- term, we will continue to rely on a mix of internal combustion engine technologies, gasoline and diesel, as well as hybrids. Evolution of the mainstream technologies (better engines, transmissions, light weight materials, ...) can bring a fuel consumption reduction of some 35% in the next 20 years. In the fuels session, several presentations dealt with Gas-to-Liquids (GTL) fuels. GTL technologies allow to manufacture diesel and other designer fuels from natural gas, coal, or biomass. The coming large scale GTL projects focus on utilization of stranded (i.e., not accessible by pipelines) natural gas resources; in Qatar alone, contracts have been signed for a total 610,000 bpd of GTL products, coming on stream by 2011. It is estimated that by 2020 the quantity of available GTL diesel will be equal to 29% of the EU 2000 diesel demand (R. Maly, DaimlerChrysler). GTL diesel improves performance and emissions in conventional diesel engines, and can bring even higher benefit in engines specifically calibrated for that fuel. While the GLT prospects in North America are limited by the lack of available low-cost natural gas resources, the use of another alternative fuel--biodiesel--has been steadily increasing. A US biodiesel quality survey found that 85% of the samples met the ASTM specification for biodiesel blending stock, as compared to about 95% for petrodiesel (R. McCormick, NREL). Taking into account that the market is still in its initial period, the biodiesel quality can be considered quite satisfactory. The US biodiesel resources by 2015 are now estimated to be about 10% of the current onroad diesel market. Very interesting papers were presented on the progress in new combustion concepts (showing that challenging diesel emission standards can in fact stimulate research leading to better and more efficient engines). Two main directions of research exist, which reflect the existing split in the HD diesel engine technology: (1) homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI), some elements of which may be already present in the Caterpillar ACERT engines, and (2) massive EGR engine, having as its starting point the existing EGR technology. Both concepts have the potential to produce dramatically lower NOx emissions, perhaps even eliminating the need for NOx aftertreatment to meet the US 2010 standards or the Tier 2 light-duty NOx limits, without sacrificing engine efficiency and fuel economy. Considering the regulatory deadlines, however, it is more likely that the new concepts will be only partly implemented (e.g., only over a certain area of the engine map) by 2010. From the hardware point of view, both concepts also require very high boost ratio, likely to be delivered using two-stage turbochargers. Caterpillar reported achieving 100% load HCCI operation under steady- state conditions in a single cylinder engine (K. Duffy). While challenges remain to maintain HCCI operation in multi-cylinder engines, under transient conditions, and in real life applications, this is a significant milestone in HCCI development (engine control at high loads is the single biggest
[Biofuel] Chrysler launches diesel Jeep, allows B5 biodiesel blends
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Chrysler launches diesel Jeep, allows B5 biodiesel blends DaimlerChrysler announced that each new 2005 Jeep Liberty sport- utility vehicle rolling off the assembly line will be fueled with 5% biodiesel blend (B5). The first Liberty diesel will be produced in November in the Jeep Liberty plant in Toledo, OH. The Jeep Liberty diesel, the first diesel-powered mid-size SUV to be offered in the USA, will be powered with a 2.8-liter 4-cylinder Common Rail Diesel (CRD) engine. The acceleration of the 4-cylinder CRD diesel vehicle is comparable to that of a V6 gasoline engine, and the torque output to that of a gasoline V8. The Liberty CRD diesel will achieve 22 mpg (10.7 l/100 km) city and 27 mpg (8.7 l/100 km) highway, overall approximately 30% better than Liberty's comparable 3.7-liter V-6 gasoline engine. In addition to the reduction in fuel consumption, the diesel engine also brings a 20% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions compared with gasoline engines, said DaimlerChrysler. Biodiesel fuel, manufactured in the USA mostly from soy beans, is a renewable fuel which brings substantial reductions in the life cycle greenhouse gas emissions (most of carbon dioxide released when the fuel is burned is matched by the amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by soy plants during growth). In addition, biodiesel produces certain emission reductions of PM, HC and CO. DaimlerChrysler said its Dodge Ram diesel pickup trucks have run successfully on B20 (20% biodiesel) blends in fleets required to use alternative fuels by the Energy Policy Act of 1992 (EPACT). However, due to lack of biodiesel fuel standards to guarantee consistent quality of B20 fuels, DaimlerChrysler recommends its diesel vehicles be run on a biodiesel blend of maximum 5% (B5). This recommendation is also consistent with the common position by fuel injection equipment manufacturers on the use of biodiesel in diesel engines. The CRD engine does not meet the LEV II emission standards that became effective this year in California. As a result, the Liberty diesel will not be available in California or in other states that adopted California emission standards (Massachusetts, Maine, New York, Vermont). http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story /09-09-2004/0002247062 FIE manufacturers position on biodiesel: http://www.dieselnet.com/tech/fuels/fie_fame_position_2000_06.pdf See: Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) statement on biodiesel: Summary -- html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Diesel cars at 2004 Paris Motor Show
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Diesel cars at 2004 Paris Motor Show With diesels exceeding 47% of new passenger car registrations in the EU (data for January-March 2004), a number of diesel car models were presented at the Paris Motor Show, including Mercedes Sports Tourers, BMW 1-Series, Honda FR-V and CR-V SUVs, GM's Daewoo S3X, Opel Astra GTC, and Chevrolet S3Xs; and the Toyota D-4D 180 Clean Power concept. + Mercedes Sports Tourer Vision R and Vision B Mercedes-Benz has presented in Paris two variants of its Sports Tourer car concept: the European version of the Vision R Grand Sports Tourer and the new Vision B Compact Sports Tourer. The idea of the Sports Tourer, first presented by Mercedes in 2002, has been designed to create a new vehicle category through a combination of conventional vehicle concepts such as sporty saloon, estate, minivan and the SUV. The Vision R large Sports Tourer is a luxury 4+2 seater featuring four-wheel drive, air suspension, the 7G-TRONIC 7-speed automatic transmission, and a new V6 diesel engine, which delivers 160 kW (218 hp) of power and 510 Nm of torque. The vehicle consumes less than 9 l/100 km. It meets the Euro 4 emission standards and it fitted with a catalytic diesel particulate filter. The new compact Vision B Sports Tourer is powered by a 4-cylinder diesel engine producing 103 kW (140 hp) and 300 Nm. The fuel consumption is below 6 l/100 km. The Vision B is a Euro 4 vehicle, equipped with a diesel particulate filter. http://www.theautochannel.com/N/news/2004/09/10/222819.html + Toyota D-4D 180 Clean Power Toyota presented in Paris the D-4D 180 Clean Power concept car, featuring the latest version of the Toyota D-CAT system, which includes the DPNR (Diesel Particulate NOx Reduction) NOx adsorber- particulate filter system. The D-4D 180 Clean Power also features a new D-4D engine with piezoelectric common-rail fuel injection system, scheduled to go into production in 2005. The new D-4D is in the 1.9 to 2.2 liter category, and develops around 130 kW (180 hp) of power output and an impressive maximum torque of 400 Nm. The first car fitted with the DPNR system was the Toyota Avensis D- CAT, witch had a limited commercial launch at the end of 2003. The Avensis, with PM at 0.002 g/km and NOx at 0.12 g/km, was advertised as having the world's lowest combined NOx and PM emissions. The new Clean Power concept is a result of continuing development work to further improve emissions and emission durability, while minimizing or eliminating the performance and fuel economy penalties associated with operating the NOx adsorber system. http://www.autocorse.it/articoli.php?sid=6199 http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=1085sid=aakL2nXESu5k ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Hybrid powertrains for urban buses
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Hybrid powertrains for urban buses Diesel-electric powertrains were introduced for urban transit buses in 1998 in New York City. Those first hybrid buses featured the series hybrid system developed by Lockheed Martin Control Systems (currently BAE Systems). Despite the potential advantages of hybrid powertrains in urban transit--such as improved fuel economy in the stop-and-go traffic, low emissions, or lower maintenance costs--transit agencies have been slow in adopting the new technology. More suppliers and higher production volumes are needed to drive down the high prices of hybrid buses--still one of the main obstacles in their wider adoption. The parallel hybrid system from GM's Allison Transmission became one of the major market players, with a recent order for 235 buses from Seattle (see DieselNet Update - June 2004) and several orders from other cities in the USA and Canada. Other suppliers are also emerging in North America and in Europe. + EST completes Epack hybrid bus demonstration project The UK's Energy Saving Trust (EST) has completed its first diesel- electric hybrid bus demonstration project. The bus was equipped with an Epack hybrid system--a retrofit diesel electric hybrid power pack manufactured by British firm ENECO. The project was grant-aided with £272,000 from the EST's New Vehicle Technology Fund. The Epack powered Optare Solo Bus demonstrated reductions in emissions (PM by 39%, NOx by 37.9%) over an equivalent conventional Euro III diesel bus, and fuel savings of 33%. The latter figure placed the bus well within the low carbon targets as planned for buses by the UK's Low Carbon Vehicle Partnership. The Epack hybrid system uses lead-acid batteries and a 1.9 liter VW diesel generator to replace a 5.7 liter diesel in an otherwise standard Optare Solo midi bus. The system uses the diesel to charge the battery pack and then an electric motor to drive the bus. Regenerative braking also contributes to overall efficiency. The vehicle weighs some 550 kg more than a diesel-powered standard bus. http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/industry_news/news-568p1kn850 http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/09/a_retrofit_dies.html + Enova introduces series hybrid drive systems for urban buses Enova Systems of Torrance, CA launched its newest series hybrid drive systems for urban transit and delivery vehicles, applicable for mid-sized to large urban transit buses, as well as Class 5 through Class 7 trucks. Enova's Hybrid Power hybrid drive systems include a high torque electric drive system, electric accessories, energy management, energy storage, and power generation. The diesel generator delivers 60 kW of continuous power and integrates with a 120 kW and 240 kW drive systems. The generator is powered by a 2.5 liter Euro III turbo diesel. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=n ews_viewnewsId=20040922005073newsLang=en + More hybrids in North American urban transit - Hybrid buses coming to Kentucky The Transit Authority of River City (TARC, the major public transportation provider for a number of counties in Kentucky and Indiana) is receiving five hybrid urban buses. The hybrids are manufactured by Gillig of Hayward, California, and feature the propulsion system by GM Allison Transmission. Each of the hybrids costs $470,000, compared to $265,000 for a conventional diesel bus. They were purchased with a $3 million federal grant. http://www.ridetarc.org/news.asp?ArticleID=38 - BC Transit buys hybrids BC Transit, the agency responsible for transit systems across British Columbia, is the first Canadian customer to put diesel- electric hybrids into regular service. BC Transit is buying six hybrid buses manufactured by New Flyer of Winnipeg, MB, and are fitted with the hybrid system by GM Allison Transmission. Three of the buses will go to the Victoria Regional Transit System and three to the Kelowna Regional Transit System. GM said it was in discussions with other Canadian transit agencies and has received genuine interest from authorities in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Edmonton, Hamilton and other jurisdictions. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/Business/2004/09/24/pf-6412 59.html - More orders for New Flyer hybrids New Flyer of Winnipeg, MB--the supplier of 235 hybrid buses for Seattle, WA--has announced other hybrid bus orders. The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) has recently received twenty New Flyer diesel-electric, low-floor hybrids. Other cities that will receive New Flyer hybrid buses this year include Albuquerque, NM, and Honolulu, HI. By the end of 2004, New Flyer expects to have 309 hybrid buses operating throughout North America. New Flyer diesel-electric
[Biofuel] Retrofit filters for passenger cars in Germany
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Retrofit filters for passenger cars in Germany German emission control manufacturers have been developing particulate filter systems for retrofitting diesel passenger cars, and lobbying to help create a market for such products. HJS Fahrzeugtechnik of Menden, Germany, developed a City-Filter system utilizing sintered metal substrate in combination with either active (electric heating) or passive (CRT type) regeneration. The system costs between 650 and 700, and can be installed on a car within 45-60 minutes. The German government has been considering establishing a tax incentive program for drivers who retrofit their cars with filters. http://www.hjs.com/main03a.php?id=29 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] France to request bids for biofuels production units
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ France to request bids for biofuels production units French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin plans to launch bids before Spring 2005 for construction of four 200,000-tonne biofuels production units to be built by 2007, reports the Oil Gas Journal. The four units--expected to cost 8 million euros--would increase France's annual biofuels production capacity to over 1 billion tons. The biofuels plan would decrease CO2 emissions by 3 million tons by 2007 and reduce France's energy dependence. Production costs, while much higher than those of petroleum fuels, would be less than 1 centime of a euro/liter. Eight existing facilities currently produce diester, a mix of 30% rapeseed or sunflower oil-based biodiesel and 7O% petrodiesel. http://www.mapsearch.com/news/news_display.cfm?ArticleID=211822 `µËz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Suzuki to build new engine plant in India
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Suzuki to build new engine plant in India Suzuki Motor Corporation will build a new engine plant in India with a production capacity of 100,000 diesel engines per year, located in Manesar, Haryana province, about 40 km southwest of Delhi. The planned investment is 10 billion yen ($91 million). Production is scheduled to start in late 2006. The plant will manufacture a 4-cylinder, 1.3 liter diesel engine, based on a licensing agreement between Suzuki and FIAT AUTO S.p.A. in Italy and Adam Opel AG in Germany. Suzuki already has a market presence in India through majority-owned Maruti Udyog, India's major car maker. Maruti Udyog and Suzuki also announced plans for Suzuki's second car assembly plant, also located in Manesar, the city of the new engine plant. The car plant will have a capacity of 250,000 vehicles per year, with production starting in 2007. http://www.globalsuzuki.com/globalnews/2004/0913_1.html http://www.globalsuzuki.com/globalnews/2004/0913_2.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] TTC launching biodiesel test
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ TTC launching biodiesel test The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) has launched a 9-month biodiesel test on 180 urban buses. The project will determine the impact of using biodiesel blends on the maintenance and driving of the buses, as well as on emissions, to consider expanded use of bio- diesel across the entire bus fleet. Since 2002, B20 biodiesel blends have been used in Brampton, a city in the Greater Toronto Area, in all (137) Brampton Transit buses and in 200 of the city fleet vehicles. The biodiesel has been supplied by Toronto-based Big K Fuels. The TTC has a bus fleet of about 1,500. The nine-month test on 180 buses will cost $740,000 (CAD). http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2004/13/c9120.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel test with Peugeot cars completed in Brazil
September 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Biodiesel test with Peugeot cars completed in Brazil A biodiesel study with two PSA Group vehicles--a Peugeot 206 with a 1.9 liter diesel engine and a Citroen Xsara Picasso with a 2.0 liter HDI engine--has been completed in Brazil. Both vehicles were driven more than 100,000 kilometers on B30 soy ethyl ester biodiesel blend (30% biodiesel, 70% petrodiesel). It was concluded that the cars maintained the normal level of performance while operated using biodiesel. The validation study, carried out by the University of Sao Paulo Laboratory for the Development of Clean Technologies (LADETEL) in association with Peugeot Citroen, began in September 2003. The biodiesel was an ethyl (rather than methyl) ester of soybean oil. The use of ethanol in place of methanol in biodiesel production is preferred in Brazil, a country with abundant bio-ethanol resources. http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=25308 http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/document/presse_communique/PR_braz ilian_biodiesel1094119730.pdf ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Reply: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Joe - I helped a large biodiesel company with finding site location of biodiesel fueling terminal in San Joaquin Valley of California. Majority of regulations and similar information you need is public domain. Some public government organizations will assist you. Depends on your area. As Peggy said, it depends on what you want to do. Sell direct to end-users? Act as a distributor? Wholesaler? In our case, the plan was to simply ship the biodiesel by railcar from Eastern United States to San Joaquin Valley, California. Typically the biodiesel is premixed and comes in those big cylindrical tanker cars. We looked for an industrial type area with a rail spur with access to heat. Why heat? Because commercial biodiesel has a certain wax point and coagulates when it reaches a certain temperature. So for large commercial volumeso you need to keep in warm if standing still in one place and exposed to cool temperatures. The challenge in the San Joaquin Valley is ground level ozone and therefore biodiesel has to be combined with tailpipe filters and sparkplug combustion effieciency changes. Good luck to you. P.Wolfe --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, Business plans are built uniquely for each situation. If you need a loan then that plan is different than if you are looking for investors. Forming a coop is entirely different from either of the other two. Some grants are so comprehensive that it could take months to complete all the required criteria. You have to include your feed stock source, your local commitments from taxing authorities, and a whole lot more. One thing you could do would be to just start an outline. That outline could be from a standard business school format, which may not be practical for your purposes. We help our associates with their plans when they make a commitment to use our processing plants. Hope this helps, Peggy Peggy G Korth BioFuels Energy Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Business Plan I am looking for a Business Plan (Boilerplate) for Bio-Diesel. If any one has one that I can use a a guide please email it to me. Thanks Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] running biodiesel in gas engines
Gregg, I have a question to ask you about your FFV TC minivan. I have read that these are designed to run any blend of gasoline and ethanol, up to 85% ethanol. Why are you running biodiesel and not ethanol? Personal preference? Ethanol not available in your area? Just curious, that's all. Thanks. Jonathan. Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Keith, Glad I could be of help to folks that have questions. I haven't had much time to make any more BD than the 5 or 6 gallons I made recently. I added about 2.2 gallons (a bit over 10%) to the fuel in my Chrysler TC mini van earlier this month. The 3.3 L V-6 Flex Fuel engine seemed to like the that. Since the Jeeps are fairly new, I only add about .5 gallons to their fuel, while adding 10% to the fuel of my lawn tractors. As soon as I have the chance to make more BD, I'll use it more frequently in the vehicles. Respectfully, Gregg Keith Addison wrote: Hi Gregg Thanks for this, that takes it all forward a whole lot. Unfortunately, Franklin's email account has been non-functional for a while. I hope he'll rejoin us and give us further news of his work with biodiesel, in both 2-strokes and gasoline engines. Hello Al, I'm the one that posted a while back about mixing a percentage of BD, about 10 - 15%, with my gas using it in my lawnmower, as well as my mini van Jeeps. It was sucessful. So far, I add BD to my gas frequently. This cleans the build-up out. I noticed my mileage drops a bit, but when I fill up with 100% gasoline, I get better mileage power. To this day, I have not had any sort of engine problems. Do you have more detail on the frequency you've used BD? I recall seeing something in the archives at Journey To Forever, Not at Journey to Forever. but since things have been moved to a new server, they might be here. The list has been using the excellent Infoarchive provided by list member Martin Klingensmith for the last two years, as Yahoo's archive became ever more useless. That hasn't changed - all list messages from the start of the list are filed at the Infoarchive, and constantly updated. It has powerful and fast search functions. The link is at the end of every message you receive: Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Now that we've dumped Yahoo we also have a new archive, where messages are stored by the week, also constantly updated, and viewable by Thread, Subject, Author or Date, but it's not searchable, and it starts from when the list moved on 9 September. This achives is linked at the top of every message you receive: List-Archive: I'm sure Keith can tell you if you contact him. I did, onlist, but I shouldn't have to. It's even in the List rules - more guidance than rules, though there are rules too: The archives contains more than 38,000 messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. Everyone's been referred to that at least once. List members should know how to use the archives and do it as a matter of course. The Rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html For instance, so far, apart from news items, very little that's been said in the current discussion on Bush, Kerry, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel etc, hasn't already been discussed, affirmed, confirmed, substantiated, debunked, discredited, blown right out of the water, probably several times. A look at the archives first would yield a better, more constructive discussion, from which everybody benefits. Otherwise it just goes round and round, to little avail, and with much more risk of it degenerating into a flame war. PLEASE, everybody, use the archives! Best wishes Keith Respectfully, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sometime ago someone was talking about doing there own testing of mixing 10% biodeisel in gas, and running there lawnmower on it. I think that in that same email, there was talk about trying the same test on a minivan. As fas as I know there was never an email about the result of running biodiesel as a top cyclinger lubricant in a minivan. If anyone has some data one this I would really like to read it. Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] US Minnesota E20 Plan
Connecticut also has the 10% ethanol blend law. Jan. 1, 2004 went into effect. See http://www.dep.state.ct.us/air2/mtbe/mtbe_faq.htm. Jonathan. MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Spence wrote: Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol in gasoline. NY is at 10% currently. It's my understanding California is as well. Steve, Were did you read New York uses E10 statewide? = = = Original message = = = Pawlenty pushes plan to double ethanol in gasoline Brian Bakst, Associated Press September 27, 2004 http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5002480.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Hi Juan and Martin, I too tried to work with the Canary Islands for hydrogen production from ocean waves project. They encouraged me but really wanted to send their students to study with us and keep the package for their own interests, even when we were told that we could present our plan to the ministry of economic development. The good news is that this country is capable of great alternative energy through their wind generators. They seem to be flexing their muscles right now and more taking than giving. Well, it really involves equal reciprocity for everyone to have win-win situations. Actually, there is much that can be done on farmer or citizen cooperative plans. These do not have to involve the government. We are visiting with people in other countries to process all kinds of biomass waste and crops as well-not limited to grains and corn. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of martin williams Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Hi! My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise? Thank you From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:08:27 +0200 On 2004-09-30 07.05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip.. Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be so kind as to e-mail it to me? Todd Swearingen Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments. Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists against Bush / U.S. can end oil use
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kyoto clears last hurdle / Scientists against Bush / U.S. can end oil use Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:27:03 -0400 EMS UPDATE - Sept 30, 2004 KYOTO CLEARS LAST HURDLE The Russian cabinet approved the ratification of the Kyoto global warming treaty today. Russia's ratification means the Kyoto Protocol will enter into force as an internationally binding treaty in 2005. The treaty must still win the approval of Russia's lower parliament house, but that is considered a virtual certainty. News stories press releases: http://www.ems.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SCIENTISTS BEGIN TOUR TO OPPOSE BUSH Scientists and Engineers for Change, a group that includes 10 Nobel laureates, has begun a tour to battleground states to highlight the misuse of science by the Bush administration. I am not a Democrat and I have never played a significant role in politics, said Dr. Douglas Osheroff, a Nobel-winning professor of physics at Stanford who is a part of the group. We must begin to address climate change now. To do so, we must have an administration that listens to the scientific community, not one that manipulates and minimizes scientific input. Tour stops are scheduled for Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oregon, Virginia and Wisconsin. Press release, news: http://www.ems.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STUDY: U.S. CAN END OIL USE A Pentagon-cofunded blueprint for making the United States oil-free, released September 20 by the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), finds that by 2015 the United States can save more oil than it gets from the Persian Gulf -- and can eliminate its oil use altogether by 2050. The plan achieves a net cost savings for the United States and does not require taxation or regulation. The plan, Winning the Oil Endgame: Innovation for Profits, Jobs, and Security, would eliminate half of U.S. oil use through improved efficiency, and the other half through the use of biofuels and natural gas. Because saving and substituting oil costs less than buying it, our study finds a net savings of $70 billion a year, said RMI CEO Amory Lovins. More: http://www.ems.org ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ EMS listservs provide news tips and resources for journalists. You received this email because you signed up at our website, http://ems.org. Please forward this email to your colleagues. To subscribe or change your preferences: Please visit http://www.ems.org/updates.html ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set
Dear Adefolu, Your idea is great, but for effectiveness, it should go through the normal project cycle. As a starting point there is the need to carry out an energy audit (or site survey). If you have already done that, then you can proceed to develop a design brief, before sorting out the issue of plant specification. I am positive the biofuel group is at hand to guide. I am also in Nigeria and will be willing to offer you free consultancy. My background is Electromechanical engineeing and I am into consultancy services. Best regards. Yours in Biofuel development Charles Alikah --- Adefolu Adedeji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I have a gen set in Nigeria proposed to power a Quarry plant. What kits do I need to convert it to run on vegetable and other organic food waste. I am a medical doctor and not too technically minded. How do I get a mini biodiesel manufacturing plant. Folu --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were finishing a Mercedes WVO install today, when our Detroit Diesel generator arrived, so that will be the next WVO conversion we do. It's also scheduled to be a cogen unit, heating our hot water. www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Gen-Set Quoting Keith Denson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All, any information regarding buying,converting and running a generator on WVO Would be greatly appreciated. Regards Keith Denson. Hi Keith, I have two small diesel engines that we are going to use to drive DC alternators to back up our solar system. We run our cars on bio that we make ourselves from used cooking oil and our small diesels will be on it too. Straight veggie oil will work, but I recommend you run some bio through your engines now and then to clean the coking off of the injectors that will come from running straight oil, ESPECIALLY if they are under light load. GO FOR IT!!! Take Care Kitch in Az. - FastQ Communications Providing Innovative Internet Solutions Since 1993 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
M.P.Singh wrote:
I correct myself. The Us gallon is different from the British one.At 3.79
litres to a gallon 78.45 mpg is correct. Which is 94.51 miles/british
gallons.
John Hayes wrote:
Yup. 3L/100km equals 78.39 mpg (US) and 94.16 mpg (Imp). Of course, I
didn't do any math. :) I just used the conversion form at:
http://www.tdiclub.com/misc/conversions.html
Where were you the other day, geez,
the scrutiny around here. OK already
its 78 firkin mpg US no less.
My goodness. {8*}
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Re: [Biofuel] running biodiesel in gas engines
Hi Jonathan, A straightforward question deserves, will get, a straightforward answer: Personal preference due to E-85 fuel is not available (that I know of) in Georgia. I've also read in my Chrysler Owner's manual that you have to use a special type of motor oil if you use E-85 fuel. If you don't, there will be excessive engine wear. Hope that helps. Regards, Gregg Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg, I have a question to ask you about your FFV TC minivan. I have read that these are designed to run any blend of gasoline and ethanol, up to 85% ethanol. Why are you running biodiesel and not ethanol? Personal preference? Ethanol not available in your area? Just curious, that's all. Thanks. Jonathan. Gregg Davidson wrote:Hi Keith, Glad I could be of help to folks that have questions. I haven't had much time to make any more BD than the 5 or 6 gallons I made recently. I added about 2.2 gallons (a bit over 10%) to the fuel in my Chrysler TC mini van earlier this month. The 3.3 L V-6 Flex Fuel engine seemed to like the that. Since the Jeeps are fairly new, I only add about .5 gallons to their fuel, while adding 10% to the fuel of my lawn tractors. As soon as I have the chance to make more BD, I'll use it more frequently in the vehicles. Respectfully, Gregg Keith Addison wrote: Hi Gregg Thanks for this, that takes it all forward a whole lot. Unfortunately, Franklin's email account has been non-functional for a while. I hope he'll rejoin us and give us further news of his work with biodiesel, in both 2-strokes and gasoline engines. Hello Al, I'm the one that posted a while back about mixing a percentage of BD, about 10 - 15%, with my gas using it in my lawnmower, as well as my mini van Jeeps. It was sucessful. So far, I add BD to my gas frequently. This cleans the build-up out. I noticed my mileage drops a bit, but when I fill up with 100% gasoline, I get better mileage power. To this day, I have not had any sort of engine problems. Do you have more detail on the frequency you've used BD? I recall seeing something in the archives at Journey To Forever, Not at Journey to Forever. but since things have been moved to a new server, they might be here. The list has been using the excellent Infoarchive provided by list member Martin Klingensmith for the last two years, as Yahoo's archive became ever more useless. That hasn't changed - all list messages from the start of the list are filed at the Infoarchive, and constantly updated. It has powerful and fast search functions. The link is at the end of every message you receive: Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Now that we've dumped Yahoo we also have a new archive, where messages are stored by the week, also constantly updated, and viewable by Thread, Subject, Author or Date, but it's not searchable, and it starts from when the list moved on 9 September. This achives is linked at the top of every message you receive: List-Archive: I'm sure Keith can tell you if you contact him. I did, onlist, but I shouldn't have to. It's even in the List rules - more guidance than rules, though there are rules too: The archives contains more than 38,000 messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. Everyone's been referred to that at least once. List members should know how to use the archives and do it as a matter of course. The Rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html For instance, so far, apart from news items, very little that's been said in the current discussion on Bush, Kerry, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel etc, hasn't already been discussed, affirmed, confirmed, substantiated, debunked, discredited, blown right out of the water, probably several times. A look at the archives first would yield a better, more constructive discussion, from which everybody benefits. Otherwise it just goes round and round, to little avail, and with much more risk of it degenerating into a flame war. PLEASE, everybody, use the archives! Best wishes Keith Respectfully, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sometime ago someone was talking about doing there own testing of mixing 10% biodeisel in gas, and running there lawnmower on it. I think that in that same email, there was talk about trying the same test on a minivan. As fas as I know there was never an email about the result of running biodiesel as a top cyclinger lubricant in a minivan. If anyone has some data one this I would really like to read it. Thanks, Al ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Israel's Terrorists
Here is yet one more article showing those dirty terrorists that Israel loves to hunt down. http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=94b841fa40055601 Ah, the brave IDF and it's US supporters and so-called christian enablers. What champions of right and righteousness ! What did Jesus say ? Suffer the little children to come unto me for OF SUCH is the kingdom of Heaven, but do these phoney so-call christian enablers of wars and slaughter interpret that ?- make the little chikldren suffer. Sick bastards. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
