Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
Hi everyone, For those of you who are working on your process control for ethanol/methanol or biodiesel production, I was wondering about something. I hate to send anything to the land fill or scrap yard that I might be able to use later and I'm sure you feel the same way. This philosophy

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
A temperature controller that would not upset because of lightning or other power line disturbance and would not lose its settings with power supply failure may prove superior especially if less expensive. Thus a bimetal strip may prove best in the long run. I am in favor of data logging and

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4

2005-02-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://yosemite.epa.gov/OAR/globalwarming.nsf/UniqueKeyLookup/SHSU5BUM9T/$File/ghg_gwp.pdf Nice discussion re most aspects. Since CH4 may be 50 times more effective than CO2 as a greenhouse gas it seems termite management might be useful. Kirk --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk

2005-02-22 Thread michael hicks
Try Jennychem 016934 290770 Myke Bristol JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; Is there anybody on this list who knows where to purchase methanol for a reasonable price in the uk, england? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS

2005-02-22 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello everybody. It is not advisable to run directly injected diesel engines on non-transesterified vegetable or animal oils except in rather small proportions, 5%, in the long run. The glycerol part of the triglyceride molecule will form coke together with unburned oil. The oil itself has a

Re: [Biofuel] The People's Business and Very big is very Bad

2005-02-22 Thread Pannir P.V
Helo Keith This topic is the most relevant as only the the people power, thus naturally true democracy, when channelled to the environmental protection of the place where the people live and depend the appropriate small scale ecotecnolgy , biorefinary will be the

Re: [Biofuel] Slum Politics and Ruralization of urban areas

2005-02-22 Thread Pannir P.V
Hello Keith There is very similar sad story too see this in TV and news paper too here in Brazil as they are in south , not in the west and north . Recently the good houses of the one of the very big soybean growing city called Goiania near the capital city

[Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4

2005-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
http://yosemite.epa.gov/OAR/globalwarming.nsf/UniqueKeyLookup/SHSU5BU M9T/$File/ghg_gwp.pdf Nice discussion re most aspects. Since CH4 may be 50 times more effective than CO2 as a greenhouse gas it seems termite management might be useful. It depends what termite management turns out to

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
OK Kirk. Thanks for the reply. I have a couple of follow-up questions: First, Is accuracy of your temperature set points (or other I/O) a critical issue for controlling a process? Because, a PID or Smith compensator control can give you far better control of your process than a bi-metallic

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4

2005-02-22 Thread bob allen
Not to downplay the importance of methane to radiative forcing, but it has a half-life in the atmoshpere of only a few years, (it oxidises to CO2) Now the big question: how in the world do you propose to manage termites? I can't even imagine what it means. Regardless of who wrote:

[Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS

2005-02-22 Thread John Wilson
It is not advisable to run directly injected diesel engines on non-transesterified vegetable or animal oils except in rather small proportions, 5%, in the long run. The glycerol part of the triglyceride molecule will form coke together with unburned oil. The oil itself has a high boiling point,

[Biofuel] Question

2005-02-22 Thread Pieter Koole
Hello dear all, Can anyone tell me how to find out what is glycerin, soap or solid BD ? Recently I made a few batches of BD from a very poor quality WVO.( about one I already wrote; it was with water in it, which was of course my mistake ). At the moment it is winter in Holland and the temp is

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4

2005-02-22 Thread Chris Chuck McGuire
woods. The bears were here first. I look at all of the trees dying in Western Montana of pine bark beetle, another natural phenomenon caused in part by a warmer, dryer climate, and wonder why we don't cut them, burn them in power plants like the one in Thompson Falls, Montana USA and

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread DHAJOGLO
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea Hi everyone, ... I was thinking of developing generic software (in C or assembler) for old computers to convert them into process controllers. For example, it might make an effective temperature controller for your

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4-and messing with the natural order of things

2005-02-22 Thread John Guttridge
imagine whole plants full of farting cows and termites harnessed to generate the worlds energy! imagine the smell! it would have to be constructed in new jersey, it already stinks there anyway. on another note: I was just in Hawaii where they have a huge problem with mongoose, they

Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS

2005-02-22 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello John. Keep in mind that you are addressing two different problems of the SVO. Number one is the viscosity which is quite easily reduced by adding ordinary diesel engine fuel. Number two is the boiling point which will not be seriously affected if you add a liquid with a lower boiling range.

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
Computers are great. I like them. But they aren't as reliable as simple physical systems. As for the delta T a bimetal can operate over it is a question of mechanical design. An electronic controller may theoretically switch over a change of a milli degree but in the real world the conductivity

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Paddy O'Reilly
I've been thinking about using old PCs to do exactly this job for ages and for work I've used LabWindows to drive the parallel port for a host of stuff. I've been looking at using plain old DOS6.22 and freeware TurboC for control. Most parallel ports are bi-directional (well on any PC that

[Biofuel] Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Kirk McLoren
- Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea By Katie Dean Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66361,00.html 02:00 AM Feb. 22, 2005 PT Researchers are turning to an unlikely source to developenvironmentally friendly computer components: the

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Paddy O'Reilly
always a rush of adrenalin when you run your own program and wait in anticipation to see if your programming skills don't blow up your basement ;o) Kirk McLoren wrote: Computers are great. I like them. But they aren't as reliable as simple physical systems. As for the delta T a bimetal can

Re: [Biofuel] Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Paddy O'Reilly
Kirk McLoren wrote: - Feathers in PCs No Birdbrain Idea By Katie Dean Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66361,00.html 02:00 AM Feb. 22, 2005 PT Researchers are turning to an unlikely source to developenvironmentally friendly

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
Kirk, Well, again, I don't think your logic is off base -- especially when it comes to redundancy in control systems. There are ways to approach each of the situations you described in your reply. I worked as a control engineer for a few years and wrote computer logic (typically 0 to 20 mA

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
Right on! I knew that I couldn't possibly be the first person to think of this. I just didn't know where to look. I will definitely keep you informed of any progress. Thanks. Mike DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control

RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)
Sorry Mike Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. It is amazing what pointing out simple Off subject issues in a post will do. Cheers Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday,

Re: [Biofuel] SVI/B100 BLENDS

2005-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
Hi folks, I hear from more and more people who are mixing SVO into their B100 up to 50% and saying they have no problems with it. When they've done half a million miles or so and still had no problems, and a wide variety of diesels have done the same, then we can believe them. One

Re: [Biofuel] Question

2005-02-22 Thread Paddy O'Reilly
The word you are looking for could be Angstrom which is one tenth of a nanometer. It is used mainly in chemistry and sometimes in electronics. Paddy. Pieter Koole wrote: Hello dear all, Can anyone tell me how to find out what is glycerin, soap or solid BD ? Recently I made a few batches

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
Thanks Paddy! Ah yes...time. It's funny that way. I remember being in high school and complaining how I didn't have any money. It would be nice to have both some day. :-) Mike Paddy O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about using old PCs to do exactly this job for

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread bob allen
Sorry Mike Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. That is immaterial. Those emissions are essentially steady state. Anthropogenic emissions are above and beyond natural emissions. The simple fact remains that the concentration of CO2 is higher now than it has

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Ken Provost
On Feb 22, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: Sorry Mike Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. It is amazing what pointing out simple Off subject issues in a post will do. Decomposing plant material is carbon-neutral, of course, and therefore

[Biofuel] Oil exporters' shift to euros behind dollar's fall: Soros

2005-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
The Standard Oil exporters' shift to euros behind dollar's fall: Soros February 22, 2005 Moves by Middle East oil exporters and Russia to switch some revenue from dollars to euros lie behind the United States currency's weakness, and a further rise in crude prices could prompt more

Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea

2005-02-22 Thread Doug Foskey
Hi, Have you thought of using Linux for this use?? There are no problems with the thought police, there are optimised distros made for these types of jobs, inc real-time o/s's. Remember: no virus problems in Linux (albeit yet!) regards Doug On Wednesday 23 February 2005 5:03, Michael Redler

[Biofuel] need a catchy title

2005-02-22 Thread DHAJOGLO
To list, On friday I have been asked to talk about my biodiesel project. I need a good title. I was thinking of calling it: Why does that bus smell like french fries? A look at diesel fuel from vegitable oil. any (quick) thoughts? ___ Biofuel

RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
Mark, I think Ken and Bob did a good job addressing your response. So, I need not add to it. Even if Ken and Bob are wrong and global warming is junk science, you're missing the point. Most people associate Kyoto with global warming. However, you can't address global warming without also

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4-and messing with the natural order of things

2005-02-22 Thread Rick Littrell
This is not so wild an idea as you suggest. I remember reading a few years back about a fellow in France who piled up a huge mound of waste wood chips and drove a pipe into the center of it. As the termites went to work in the pile as well, I suppose, as bacteria, the methane they

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4-and messing with the natural order of things

2005-02-22 Thread Keith Addison
Dear John, This is not so wild an idea as you suggest. I remember reading a few years back about a fellow in France who piled up a huge mound of waste wood chips and drove a pipe into the center of it. Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- termites CH4-and messing with the natural orderof things

2005-02-22 Thread bmolloy
Hi John, You'll be amused to know that here in New Zealand our Nanny State government once contemplated a fart tax on stock farmers, based on the number of animals they owned. It was eventually laughed out of court. As for messing with the natural order of things, the first Europeans

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Greg Harbican
Bob Ken You are both correct for the most part, but, I would like to point out a few things that you may want to consider, that make me disagree with parts of your statements.. Decomposing plant material is not totaly carbon neutral nor steady state. After all where did coal come from, but,

Re: [Biofuel] affordable methanol in uk

2005-02-22 Thread JD2005
Thanks will do. JD2005 - Original Message - From: michael hicks Try Jennychem 016934 290770 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: