[Biofuel] New list archives
Hi all Check out the new list archives: Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All Biofuel list messages are there from when the list opened five years ago, continually updated with new messages, as well as the 4,500 messages from the sister list, Biofuels-biz, before we merged it with the Biofuel list 18 months ago. They're now merged in the archives too - one search searches them all. Messages by thread or by date. With search finds the Thread link at the top gives you the url of the whole thread, with all the messages in the thread linked at the end of the message. This is a great research tool. Enjoy! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biogas from Seaweed
Hello jeroen Hello Craig and Kieth i think you where looking for this article http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1611170,00.html Thankyou! :-) Superheated steam vs expensive fermentation? Well, maybe Mitsubishi sees it that way. Anyway, it remains to be seen what becomes of it. Maybe it'll be like this: A factory in Växsjö Sweden is to be converted to produce Chrisgas (Clean Hydrogen Rich Synthesis Gas) which in turn will be used to produce bio-DME (dimetyleter) which can replace fossil diesel in modified vehicles. DME kan also be produced from coal,oil and gas which is being done large scale in Japan where there are also several suitably converted marques. Not so you'd notice. Bit of talk, promising markets, wonderful potential... and one licensed vehicle so far, from what I can make out, an in-house bus. Planet Japan, LOL! Not to be overly sceptical, and much as I love them, there are many grand, and indeed fine, schemes here, wonderful technology, amazing patents held, often widely publicised when announced, but how far it ever gets out of the laboratory is another matter. Often, not at all. Or not yet anyway. The Biomass Nippon (Japan) strategy is another example: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg19333.html Re: [biofuel] Japan: Country Eyes Bioenergy-fueled Plants, Cars in 2010 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg19315.html [biofuel] Japan: Environment Ministry High on Alcohol-Fueled Vehicles Three years ago. Really nice scheme, 500 model communities, it says. But none yet. Or this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg26857.html [biofuel] Japan's METI speaking in favor of diesel cars Two years ago - Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) will promote development of advanced, emission controlled diesel passenger cars to limit the emissions of global warming gases... They have them, but not for Japan, or not outside the Tokyo Motor Show - export-only, to Europe. Again, nothing happened. But just recently there've been further such statements which probably will happen. For not very good reasons, the time wasn't right two years ago, now it probably is. A few things have changed, not obvious unless you know where to look. I'll be posting more about this once we've nailed it down. The Japanese have a different way of going about things. When they finally do decide to move, they move very fast and effectively. IMHO, with biofuels, biomass energy, energy conservation, greenhouse gases, it's not a question of if but when. It seems that time is not quite yet. Best wishes Keith Keith, I heard that the Sunday Times (UK, 15th May) published an article about how the Japanese have started farming macroalgae (seaweed) to produce methane fuel 'biogas'. Unfortunately I haven't been able to access the article but I'm encouraged to hear that something is actually happening, since I've read reports from the 1980's predicting that it would be feasible by about now. I'd be interested to find out more: has it made the news in Japan at all? Craig Hi Craig I don't know about it. I'll try to check it out. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Dirty Money - coal
I don't think you need to worry, These plants can only burn coal the receive. and most coal is delivered by rail, Last I read the rail capacity was overstretched and some cement plants that burn coal could get no promises that coal would even be delivered 27 additional plants depending on there size, and location may run into coal supply difficulties. with rail being a private industry and one that doesn't place any priority over cargos, unless the government passes legislation to get coal delivered before other cargos, there may be no additional energy security. I've also noted that coal prices have risen 200%+ over the last year, and are most likely set to rise on the back of china, once a major exporter of coal, is now importing massive quantities. there's also different grades of coal, the best coal burns hot has less sulfur and water content. where as lignite (spelling?) is a much much lower quality fuel. My own country has a coal fired plant built right on top of a major coal field, yet every year we now import upwards of 1 - 100 million tons (not sure on specific) this is then driven by truck from the port its landed at 100 km's and burnt, as the coal fields its built on cant provide enough coal of the right sort of quality. there's also the disposal problem of the coal ash. amazingly this stuff builds up in huge quantities across the us, while some is used as fly ash in construction as a cement replacement, you can still only use so much. Most is dumped in landfills. I've passed this article along to a few people and I have to say one of them was major pissed Id most certainly like to be kept informed of this 'clean coal' legislation as well as more specifics of these bankrupt projects Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:04 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Dirty Money - coal http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2005/05/clean_coal.html Dirty Money News: As coal plants win the right to burn dirtier and dirtier, the administration is subsidizing coal as the clean fuel of the future. By Daphne Eviatar May 26, 2005 Early in his first term, President George W. Bush attended a roundtable discussion with employers of National Guard and Reservists in Charleston, West Virginia. When the question of energy security came up, Bush, who had been introduced by William B. Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, told the audience, It is up to all of us to remind folks that we can safely mine coal and we can cleanly burn it with the right technology. We've got to do it, we've got to sell the country on that. Well, it seems he has. As analysts predict the price of oil could soon top $100 a barrel, coal -- cheap, abundant and politically powerful in the United States -- is enjoying a huge comeback. More than 100 new coal-fired power plants have been proposed across the country, and the federal government is predicting a 25 percent increase in the amount of U.S. energy derived from coal by 2025. The coal industry is trying to rush the gates before the United States gets its act together on climate change and regulating carbon emissions, says Dave Hamilton, director of global warming and energy programs at the Sierra Club. Even if just 72 new plants are built, the U.S. alone will wipe out half the progress the rest of the world makes through the Kyoto protocols. But not to worry, the administration argues: Sure, it's rolled back clean-air regulations, but it's also proudly promoting a program that will give away billions of dollars to subsidize the development of clean energy. As the President announced with much fanfare in presenting his National Energy Policy in May 17, 2001, More than half of the electricity generated in America today comes from coal. If we weren't blessed with this natural resource, we would face even greater [energy] shortages and higher prices today. Yet, coal presents an environmental challenge. So our plan funds research into new, clean coal technologies. There's just one catch: The money isn't going to wind or solar power. It's going directly to. coal. As coal plants win the right to burn dirtier and dirtier, the administration is pitching coal as the clean fuel of the future. In fact, technological advances have made it possible to drastically reduce coal's toxic emissions-and even the greenhouse gases coal plants spew: Many scientists believe that eventually, virtually all the carbon dioxide emitted at power plants could be captured and stored underground. Even the Bush Administration, while denying that CO2 is harmful, has touted its $1 billion FutureGen plan, which would use public and private money to build a zero-carbon power plant. (The project is still in the early planning stages.) But the bulk of the $250 million a year the Administration has been handing out in clean-coal subsidies doesn't do anything like
[Biofuel] phosphatide content in crude oil
Hi friends, Could someone please tell me how much phosphatide is normally present in used cooking oil. Many thanks regards Subbu Water saving tip: Use a watering can on your garden. A hose can use up to 540 litres an hour - nearly as much as a family of four in a day. For more gardening tips, visit our website: - www.thameswateruk.co.uk/waterwise RWE Thames Water plc, Registered Office Clearwater Court, Vastern Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 8DB. Registered No. 2366623. This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RWE Thames Water plc or its subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail you may not copy, use, forward or disclose its contents to any other person ; please notify our Computer Service Desk on +44 (0)118 9593587 and destroy and delete the message and attachments from your system. For more information on RWE Thames Water visit our web site at http://www.rwethameswater.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] Rape Seed production in the US for biodiesel
Can anyone help? I am looking for anyone growing Rape seed in the US for a feedstock for biodiesel. Thanks Don __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] WORLD CARFREE NEWS
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] eng WORLD CARFREE NEWS Edition no. 21 - June 2005 - English version ... Contents: QUOTATION OF THE MONTH IN BRIEF WORLD NEWS - EU EXPANSION BAD FOR RAIL - GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS SHUT DOWN RANGE ROVER ANNOUNCEMENTS - REGISTRATION FOR TOWARDS CARFREE CITIES V - ECOTOPIA GATHERING, AUGUST, MOLDOVA - ECOTOPIA BIKETOUR - CARFREE DAYS IN SUMMER - GERMANY - CARFREE DAYS IN SUMMER - PITTSBURGH, USA - BIKE TRANSIT EXPO, NEW YORK - BIKE ZINE AVAILABLE DISCLAIMER __ QUOTATION OF THE MONTH __ The car has become the carapace, the protective and aggressive shell, of urban and suburban man. - Marshall McLuhan, social critic __ IN BRIEF __ - On May 25, the Energy Committee of the United States Senate voted to require US ethanol production to reach at least 8 billion gallons a year by 2012, double the current output of this gasoline additive. Proponents of the bill say it will help the U.S. be less dependent on foreign oil. Opponents claim it will make gasoline more expensive. A week earlier, the same committee rejected a plan to require sport utility vehicles and minivans to become more fuel efficient and achieve the same gasoline mileage as passenger cars in six years - France is also moving to increase the production of alternative fuels on May 19, granting tax rebates to produce an extra 700,000 tonnes of biodiesel and 250,000 tonnes of ethanol per year. Current annual production stands at 200,000 tonnes of ethanol and 500,000 tonnes of biodiesel. ___ WORLD NEWS __ EU EXPANSION BAD FOR RAIL One year after nine contries of Central and Eastern Europe joined the European Union, the German rail alliance Allianz pro Schiene has released a report saying that railways have been one of the big losers of EU expansion. Truck transport is exploding, while train tracks are rotting away. Although the group focusses on Germany (If Germany doesn't massively speed up expansion of train connections to Poland, it will negatively influence not only the environment, but also economic development, says Allianz pro Schiene's Dirk Flege), transit countries such as Austria and the Czech Republic have felt the full impact of the new open borders. Allianz for Schiene's specific demands include modernising at least the most important train connections between Poland and Germany. A comparison: there are eight train connections but 21 road connections (including four brand-new motorways) between the two countries. This doesn't give the imporession that transport policy is serious about transferring more traffic onto rail, says Flege. The figures for personal transport don't look too promising, either. Today, some 900,000 people travel from Germany to Poland by train every year. This is expected to climb to 1.7 million by 2015. In comparison, personal automobile traffic is in the same period expected to climb from 38.5 to 62 million people. GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS SHUT DOWN RANGE ROVER On May 16, 35 members of Greenpeace UK shut down an assembly line in Great Britain that was making Range Rover SUVs. The volunteers cut power to the assembly line and handcuffed themselves to unfinished vehicles along the 500-foot-long assembly line. Using yellow crime scene tape, they labelled the area a climate crime scene. According to Greenpeace, this is the first time anywhere in the world that protesters have shut down a factory making Sports Utility Vehicles. The activists did not shut down production of the Land Rover Defender, which they consider a vehicle for legitimate agricultural and industrial purposes. The point was to call attention to the wasteful nature of off-road cars built mainly for on-road personal transport and which have a fuel efficiency of just 12 miles per gallon. The new Range Rover Sport, says Greenpeace, has fewer miles to the gallon than the Model T Ford built 80 years ago. ___ ANNOUNCEMENTS __ REGISTRATION FOR TOWARDS CARFREE CITIES V: JULY 18-21 Registration is open for the Towards Carfree Cities V conference, which will take place July 18-21 in Budapest, Hungary. The World Carfree Network annual meeting will take place afterward on July 22. You can register on-line or download a registration form at www.worldcarfree.net/conference/. The conference programme and accommodation information can be found there as well. ECOTOPIA GATHERING, AUGUST, MOLDOVA You are invited to Ecotopia 2005, taking place in the Saharna nature reserve, in the Republic of Moldova from August 1 to 14. This year's theme is Alternative Technologies, but as always the program will be
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
Hi Todd Hey Keith, Perhaps this bit of BS wasn't worth acknowledging: Nahhh, it was. I was just thinking about the normal 250 word limit on letters to editors. Ulp... Is the eight years since I last worked for a newspaper a good enough excuse, d'you think? LOL! I've said it before but it didn't stick, let me give it another try: NEVER AGAIN! Hey, now I feel all better. :-) Addressing CAFE and the unclear (nuclear) option Heh! would have taken another 250 words and probably would have started to make me appear to be a fanatical, unhinged, left-wing, tree-hugging, dirt-worshipping, bunny-luvin, anti-patriotic, heretic. Well now, that'd never do. I think if I trawled the archives I might even manage to find you claiming to be exactly that, but fear not, I'd never do such a thing. Maybe someone else will extend the effort I hope so, in which case they'll find much ammo in the list archives. Besides, I don't have the time to write an op-ed piece every day unless I get paid the going rate.. Quite. I'm not about to assume that the likes of Mr Herron are doing it for free, not exactly a level playing field. All best Keith Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Well done, Todd. Perhaps this bit of BS wasn't worth acknowledging: Raising CAFE standards would accomplish little except to cost more lives and make driving more dangerous and less enjoyable. That approach has gone too far already. Though a lot of thoroughly-spun Americans still think that. BS? Sure is, as you know - demolished here already three times I think (see archives). One wonders if Mr Herron is to be counted among the spun or the spinners. Maybe the website might give a hint, but I'm not about to register with the Frederick News Post just to read a letter to the editor. One way or the other, it's all too clear where he's coming from, his every paragraph roots for the hopeless mob that got us into this mess in the first place. And we're supposed to look to them to get us out of it. Hm. Best Keith How would any of you answer this one? Perhaps like this Michael. I'd suggest others do the same since the Frederick News Post is read by maybe as much as a quarter of those who work inside the beltway in DC. --- William Herron's June 1 letter to the editor is grossly incorrect, misleading and does the energy consuming public an enormous dis-service. Contrary to Mr. Heron's claim of net energy loss for both ethanol and biodiesel, ethanol production yields a net energy gain between 38% (1:1.38 ratio)and 162% (1:2.62 ratio), depending upon the technology and practice used. (Please see source provided below.) Biodiesel manufacture yields a net energy gain between 151% (1:2.51 ratio) and 310% (1:4.10 ratio), depending upon the technology and practice used. (Please see source provided below.) Both fuels/industries are net energy producers and have the capacity to become zero-carbon gain fuel sources (CO2 is released when the fuel is consumed and re-absorbed by the plants with each new growing cycle) - a direct contrast to the mining, refining and use of fossil fuels, which only release carbon dioxide and increase the rate of global warming. Mr. Herron also lays the grossly misleading claim that wind turbines are avian butcheries. Yes, it was sadly determined in the '70s and early '80s that the old-style lattice towers used to support wind turbines attract birds and in turn have exacted a high mortality. But lattice towers have been abandoned by the commercial wind industry and older towers are being phased out in lieu of monocoque designs (tubular towers) that don't afford a resting and nesting attraction. It's unfortunate that Mr. Herron presents ancient data and long debunked urban mythology to propigate error in public opinion on issues as vital as energy independence, renewable fuels and environmental sanity. The question that should be posed to Mr. Herron is why? Todd Swearingen -, Ohio 1 - How Much Energy Does It Take to Make a Gallon of Ethanol? Lorenz Morris, 1995, Institute for Local Self-Reliance, www.carbohydrateeconomy.org 2) - How Much Energy Does It Take to Make a Gallon of Biodiesel? Ahmed, Decker Morris, 1994, Institute for Local Self-Reliance Michael wrote: Now that Duck is a candidate ... Publish Date: 05/30/05 http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/opinion/displayletter.ht m? storyid=41384 Andrew Duck's May 22 commentary, Bartlett talks the talk on energy issues, but doesn't always walk the walk criticized Roscoe Bartlett's voting record on energy issues. That letter by itself may not have been worth replying to but, now that he's intending to run for Mr. Bartlett's congressional seat, his costly, energy-wasting ideas need to be addressed. While burning corn instead of gasoline sounds great, a true
[Biofuel] Mayors gather for climate change summit
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8044734/ Environment Mayors gather for climate change summit U.N. Environment Day idea draws 70 from around globe The Associated Press Updated: 8:13 a.m. ET May 31, 2005 SAN FRANCISCO - Mayors from some of the world's biggest cities are gathering here this week to forge a set of international guidelines for sustainable urban living - billed as a municipal version of the Kyoto Protocol on global warming that the United States never ratified. The Urban Environmental Accords, to be signed at the United Nations World Environment Day Conference, is the latest example of cities seeking to tackle climate change despite reluctance from their national governments. We cannot afford to wait for the state or federal government to do the job. There are too many excuses going around, particularly in this country, said San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. Increasingly, the world will look at mayors to become the stewards of the environment since the vast majority of the pollution comes from cities. At least 70 mayors from cities such as London, Rio de Janeiro, Tehran, Capetown, Sydney and Shanghai are scheduled to attend the five-day conference in San Francisco - the first U.S. city to host the annual event. World Environment Day, celebrated each June 5, was established in 1974, with annual conferences held since 1987. At this year's gathering, themed Green Cities and running June 1-5, the mayors will trade ideas on sustainable urban living in areas such as renewable energy, recycling, public transportation, city parks and clean air and water. More than 230 community activities for World Environment Day are scheduled around the San Francisco Bay area. Gov. Schwarzenegger signs on On Wednesday, when the conference opens, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will unveil California's plan to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases blamed for trapping heat in the earth's atmosphere and raising temperatures worldwide. San Francisco, where the United Nations was founded 60 years ago, is known as an environmental trendsetter, and city officials plan to showcase its green successes. The city now recycles two-thirds of its garbage, claims the largest fleet of alternative fuel vehicles and boasts the country's largest city-owned solar power installation at the Moscone Convention Center. There's so much we can share, but there's also an enormous amount we can learn from other cities, Newsom said. Until recently, international treaties have been the main forum for addressing global environmental problems such as climate change, which scientists say is causing increasingly violent storms, shrinking wildlife habitats and rising sea levels that threaten coastal cities. The Kyoto Protocol, adopted in the Japanese city in 1997, requires industrialized nations to cut greenhouse gas emissions by an average of five percent below 1990 levels. The treaty was ratified by at least 140 countries and went into effect in February. Bush administration stand But the United States, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, did not sign because Bush administration officials believed the treaty would result in the loss of five million U.S. jobs and raise energy prices, said Michele St. Martin, a spokeswoman for the White House Council on Environmental Quality. President Bush favors an aggressive approach on climate change - one that fosters economic growth that will lead to new technology and innovation, St. Martin said, pointing to the administration's $2 billion climate change initiative that promotes clean-coal technology, hydrogen-powered vehicles, nuclear power and renewable energy. Environmentalists and government officials are questioning whether Kyoto and other global treaties between national governments are the solution. We have all these laws on the books, but none of them are being implemented, said Jared Blumenfeld, director of San Francisco's Department of the Environment. They have to teeth. Nothing happens if you don't implement them. No one's going to hold them accountable. Frustrated by the U.S. government's stance on global warming, many Americans states, cities and corporations are taking steps to reduce emissions of heat-trapping gases from factories, automobiles and power plants. San Francisco, Seattle have action plans Last year, San Francisco was perhaps the first U.S. city to adopt its own climate action plan that seeks to reduce greenhouse gas emissions - to 20 percent lower than 1990 levels by 2012 - by increasing public transportation use, recycling rates, renewable power and energy efficiency. advertisement In May, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, worried about dry winters in his famously wet city, announced that more than 130 U.S. mayors have signed an agreement to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by meeting or beating the Kyoto targets. The mayors, the corporations and even the
[Biofuel] The Folly of Media Reform
http://counterpunch.org/dunifer05242005.html May 24, 2005 Lipstick on a Pig The Folly of Media Reform By STEPHEN DUNIFER As the saying goes, no matter how much lipstick you apply to a pig, it is still a pig. Such is the case of media reform. In the final analysis, it is a discussion about making the jail cell more comfortable. No matter the nature or degree of reform proposed, media reform advocates are blind to the greater context out of which the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) arose. Surrendering the broadcast airwaves to corporate interests is the accepted narrative surrounding the Communications Act of 1934, enabling legislation that created the FCC. True as this narrative may be, a much larger political gestalt was in motion. Put succinctly, the corporate media empires are large cogs in an engine of imperial war and conquest. This relationship was formalized by the Communications Act of 1934. As much as the left tends to wax nostalgic about the1930's, it ignores the largely covert war preparation program that was put into play by Roosevelt with domestic economic recovery, social uplift and job programs providing the cover story. Roosevelt implemented a sweeping mobilization of resources and programs to place the United States in a position to conduct a major global war in the Pacific and Europe. Beginning with the Committee on Public Information (aka Creel Commission), whose World War I propaganda efforts are well documented in Chomsky and Herman's Manufacturing Consent , the US government continued with both overt and covert efforts to regiment the public mind - aided and abetted by academia, media institutions and industry. Witness the extremely racist cartoons created in the 1930's to portray the Japanese in the worst possible way. If your intent is to move a population from a relatively pacifist or isolationist position to one that is supportive of a global war, then it would make perfect sense to place the broadcast spectrum in trusted hands RCA, Western Electric, etc. Certainly not labor unions whose definition of a bayonet is a sharp instrument with a worker at each end. Further, you sweeten the pot with the prospect of war profits according to some statistics, corporate America made $1,000,000 of profit for every US service person killed during World War II. Finally, you take the propaganda machine that has been running since 1916 or so and supercharge it once the war has begun. At the end of WW II this machine was not switched off, instead it was turned full bore on the American public. Many major media figures, both frontline journalists and corporate bosses, had prominent positions in this war propaganda apparatus. For example, William Paley, CEO of CBS, served as deputy chief of the psychological warfare branch of General Dwight Eisenhower's staff. When that is not sufficient you buy journalists by the dozen as the CIA did in the 1950's. Now most of them are such skanky whores they do not have an asking price. Given the integral and vital role of media in creating and maintaining a hyper-saturated propaganda environment domestically and an ongoing campaign of media imperialism abroad one would have to be delusional to think that any degree of reform is going to fundamentally alter this reality, or be allowed to have any meaningful effect by the ruling elite. As long as reform is maintained as the only viable and realistic option available and its advocates can roam about their comfortably appointed play pens, underwritten by liberal foundations, then those who run and service this mechanistic Moloch to which all must be sacrificed in the name of profit and greed can rest undisturbed. Further, most advocates of reform fail to recognize that every citizen of the United States is the target of an ongoing psychological warfare campaign. It is terra-forming of the human internal landscape. An old movement slogan had it right, It is hard to fight an enemy who has an outpost in your head. When someone is carpet bombing your mind every second, minute and hour of the day, blowing the hell of out of your sense of self-esteem, self-identity and self-worth, would any intelligent, free thinking person believe that media reform aspirin is the solution and cure? No way! Yes, many worlds are possible. Only if we step outside our jail cells and reject the narcotizing effects of reform, however. Our only option is to continue to create our own systems of media and information. Massive campaigns of electronic civil disobedience on a global scale screw their broadcast regulations, intellectual property laws, v-chips, internet filters, self-appointed gate keepers, proprietary software, indecency standards and all other impediments to the free flow of news, information, ideas, cultural expression, and artistic/intellectual creativity. Stick your thumb in the Cyclopean eye of media monopoly and thought control.
Re: [Biofuel] Ant invasions
Hi Chris hi, keith, this is SO true! Keith wrote: . . .Corporate bottom-lines aside, whatever would be the point of growing biofuels crops by industrialised methods that are heavily dependent on fossil-fuel inputs, when it's fossil fuels they're supposed to be replacing? It makes no sense. . . . And yet people swallow it whole without a thought. thanks for the encouraging reply! It was an encouraging post to reply to. :-) Best wishes Keith best, -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] Pollution-free ship? Designers try their hand
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8037087/ Pollution-free ship? Designers try their hand Cargo concept relies on solar panels, wind and wave power Wallenius Wilhelmsen This computer-generated image shows the near-zero emission concept cargo ship designed by Wallenius Wilhelmsen. By Simon Johnson Updated: 12:03 p.m. ET May 31, 2005 STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Will technological advances, fuel costs and environmental concerns bring back commercial sailing for cargo ships? Shipping firm Wallenius Wilhelmsen has designed a high-tech back to the future freighter powered solely by wind and waves in the expectation that increasing regulation and shipping costs over the next 20 years will force the industry to come up with greener vessels. In part it is legislation, in part that we want to be seen as innovators, said Lena Blomqvist, WW's vice president with responsibility for the environment. We realize that we are part of the problem and we want to be part of the solution. The design envisions near-zero emissions while allowing such a ship to carry up 10,000 cars and trucks. Propulsion for the five-hulled concept would come from high-tech sails and a set of pods below the water line that would trap the energy of the waves. Additionally, solar cells in the sails would charge fuel cells to power electric motors. 'Almost limitless access to energy' When we are on the ocean we have almost limitless access to energy, but a modern vessel fights the elements, said Per Brinchmann, the naval architect who designed the ship to turn the power of mother nature into motion on the ocean. The albatross gets 98 percent of its energy for flight from the wind and two percent from its wings. Concern for the bottom line has already pushed WW to cut the fuel use of its existing fleet by 10 percent over the last few years and reduce nitrogen and sulfur dioxide emissions. Sulfur dioxide causes acid rain and nitrogen emissions upset the balance of nutrients in the ocean, both big problems in the Baltic Sea where WW is based. Regulators are also stepping up pressure. The International Maritime Organization will introduce rules to cut sulfur in fuels for some ocean regions in 2006. WW said its low sulfur fuels costs around $20 dollars per ton more than the standard fuel. Tighter rules on oil emissions in bilge water, anti-fouling paints and recycling are also likely to follow. At the same time, companies that transport goods by ship need to reassure increasingly concerned investors that they are taking green issues in their supply chain seriously. One of the firm's major clients, an auto manufacturer, now audits the emissions of shipping firms. Other customers will come and ask for it as part of their own corporate responsibility work, said Blomqvist. It is not just pollution from marine diesel - higher in sulfur and worse for the environment than more refined types of fuel - which the new ship would eliminate. No place for invasive species to hide Clever design eliminates the need for ballast water, which can contain up to 7,000 marine species that have a huge impact when dumped outside their native ecosystem. Ballast water is a huge, huge problem, said Dr Simon Walmsley, head of the World Wide Fund for Nature's British marine program. It affects biodiversity and has the potential to wipe out indigenous species which are sensitive. Areas like the Arctic are particularly at risk, he said. Between 3 billion and 5 billion tons of ballast water is transported around the world by ships each year, not far behind the 6 billion tons of cargo carried in 2003. IMO rules on ballast water should be introduced in 2009. No promise to build Wallenius Wilhelmsen is showing off its design at the World Expo in Japan, which opened at the end of March. Although the design may never to be built, WW believes that like a concept car, much of the technology showcased on the ship will find its way into vessels over the next 20 years. This vessel is a demonstration of what is feasible, what could be feasible and what should be feasible, said Brinchmann, who began his career designing lifeboats. The WWF, which partnered with WW on the project, backs the move but wants shipping companies to go even further. It is a step in the right direction, said the WWF's Walmsley. But the whole shipping industry need to be looked at at every level from design through to decommissioning. Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):
[Biofuel] Given the Chance, the People Reject Globalization
See also: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0601-33.htm Published on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 by CommonDreams.org What European Crisis? by John Buell http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0601-25.htm Wednesday, June 1, 2005 Given the Chance, the People Reject Globalization French Say Non in Thunder! by Diana Johnstone PARIS -- The French went ahead and did it. Despite being lectured by government and party leaders, media pundits and foreign leaders flown in from neighboring countries, all telling them that they must vote yes to the Treaty establishing a Constitution for the European Union or the sky would fall, a solid majority of 55% voted no! The high turnout of 70% gave the rejection indisputable credibility. This was essentially a vote against dogmatic free market policies, and the type of economic globalization being pursued by the neo-liberal free marketeers. The non was resounding, and, for those who were listening, the message was clear. But who was really listening? The day after the vote, mainstream politicians and media were all scurrying to misinterpret the event to suit their own repudiated agendas. No wonder, because the referendum result amounted to an extraordinary rejection not only of a bad text, but also of the whole political class -- newspaper and television commentators included -- who had zealously resorted to every possible exhortation, deception and threat to sell the oui vote. And it was not only the ardent salesmanship of the familiar faces on the screen that was rejected. The non was also an expression of exasperation with the whole lot of mainstream politicians and media stars, the oui-ouistes as they were dubbed, for years of preening self-satisfaction and unfulfilled promises as more and more businesses shut down leaving employees out in the cold. Part of the satisfaction of voting non was to watch television and see the consternation on all those familiar faces, and listen to each one's frantic attempts to blame the others for the disaster in hopes of salvaging his or her own political career. This was a highly amusing spectacle, but also extremely disturbing. Because although the meaning of the vote was clearly a desire to throw all the rascals out, they are still there. They are still there in the media especially, where they need not fear losing the next election. They are there to interpret events as it suits them, not least to the rest of Europe and the world. The interpretations of the French vote making the rounds display an unshakable determination not to understand what happened. Of course, all the stale, ignorant clichés about the French are being trotted out. Typically, to explain the French psychology, the International Herald Tribune quoted a Polish human resources consultant on a Warsaw parkbench, who opined that France still has nostalgia for its empire. No doubt people all over Europe and in the United States could come up with the same absurdity, because that's what their media tell them. That being the case, let it be observed that France's nostalgia for empire is a fantasy, especially current among certain imperialist Americans who cannot conceive of any lesser national ambition. There has been no significant nostalgia for empire in France since President de Gaulle decided over forty years ago that it was in France's best interest to withdraw from its colonies. In any case, that has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the May 29 vote. Exit polls showed that the number one motive for the no vote -- 56% of respondants -- was the state of the economy. This means unemployment. Because in terms of business profits, the French economy is not doing so badly, thank you. But ten percent official unemployment, as profitable firms shut down plant to move to countries with cheaper labor, is considered intolerable. The second motive indicated, with 46%, was the neo-liberal nature of the Constitution treaty. The third most frequently mentioned motive was the desire to have the Constitution renegotiated. These data show clearly that the vote was not against Europe. Of course, there were bound to be contradictory motives behind the no vote -- and behind the yes vote as well. The far right National Front voted no to the European Union, which will surely be the choice of an even larger segment in the United Kingdom, if the UK referendum takes place. But the bulk of the French non was pro-European and anti-globalization. If anything, it was for a stronger Europe more inclined and able to resist the destruction thrust of globalization and to protect social and environmental standards. On the right, voters wanted to preserve national sovereignty. There is nothing really so dreadful about that. But most of the no vote came from the left. Despite increasingly frantic efforts by their party leaders to shore up the yes vote, a large majority of Socialists (59%) and an overwhelming
[Biofuel] Inventing a Pretext for War
http://counterpunch.org/zeese05232005.html May 23, 2005 An Interview with James Bamford Inventing a Pretext for War By KEVIN B. ZEESE For more than two decades James Bamford has been a noted investigative journalist focusing on intelligence gathering in the United States. He exposed the ultra secret National Security Agency two decades ago in The Puzzle Palace and Body of Secrets, both award winning best sellers. He has testified as an expert witness on intelligence issues before committees of both the Senate and House of Representatives as well as the European Parliament in Brussels and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. His most recent book is A Pretext for War : 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies? examines intelligence gathering related to the Iraq War and 9/11. In addition to writing, he spent most of the decade of the 1990s as the Washington Investigative Producer for the ABC News program World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Zeese: Tell me about your current book A Pretext for War : 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies? Bamford: Pretext is the only book to take an in-depth look at the U.S. intelligence community from before 9/11 to the war in Iraq. It describes how CIA Director George Tenet, while succeeding in increasing the personnel strength of the CIA's Clandestine Service during the late 1990s, failed to change the culture, direction and training from a Cold War focus to a counter-terrorism focus. Through interviews with current and former Clandestine Service case officers who graduated from The Farm, the CIA's secret training facility in Williamsburg, Virginia, it is clear that few if any people with Middle Eastern ethnicity, cultural background or language skills were recruited. Thus, the CIA never even tried to penetrate al Qaeda during the years leading up to 9/11, believing it too difficult, too dangerous, or not their job, depending on which agency official I interviewed. Instead, the agency relied on three tactics, none of which were of any use in capturing bin Laden: military and financial support for the Northern Alliance, which was squeezed into a small corner of northeast Afghanistan; support for the Pakistani ISI intelligence service, which had no incentive to go after either bin Laden or the Taliban; and support for a small group of old ex-anti-Soviet mujahideen who were set up in a wine vineyard with no supervision, and ended up accomplishing virtually nothing. Ironically, at the same time the CIA was unwilling to penetrate al Qaeda, during the summer of 2001 about seven or eight Americans joined up with little difficulty, including John Walker Lindh, a college drop out from Northern California. He did what the CIA should have done went to Yemen and studied the Koran and Arabic, then went to study at a religious school in Pakistan, joined a guerilla training camp, and then went to Afghanistan where he easily joined al Qaeda. The group then sent him to their premiere terrorist training camp where he had a number of one-on-one meetings with bin Laden and picked up bits and pieces of the 9/11 plot. Pretext also takes the only minute-by-minute look (about one third of the book) at the confusion and chaos taking place among senior officials in Washington and elsewhere in the hours following the 9/11 attack. It examines everything from the secret locations to which the vice president and other officials disappeared, to the evacuation of the intelligence agencies, to the highly secret Continuance of Government (COG) procedures that were activated -- many for the very first time. Next, Pretext describes how the claims involving Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, the connections between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, and Hussein's involvement with 9/11, were simply used as pretexts for a war long planned by a small group of neoconservatives supportive of the Israeli government's policies' and the expansion of U.S. military power throughout the Middle East. It examines how top Bush administration officials Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser first drafted a war plan outlining an attack on Iraq, and removal of Saddam Hussein, in 1996. But the document, titled A Clean Break, was drafted for Israel, not the United States. At the time, the three were acting as advisors to newly elected Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. Israel can shape its strategic environment, they wrote. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective. Not satisfied with regime change in Iraq, they went on to recommend that Israel continue to shape its strategic environment by rolling back Syria. Wurmser then authored a paper in January 2001 arguing that the U.S. and Israel jointly launch a pre-emptive war throughout the Middle East and North Africa to establish U.S.-Israeli dominance. The
[Biofuel] Probe of Stealth TV Ads Sought
See also: Oiling The Wheels Of Fake News http://www.digitalproducer.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=25474 In a column for Digital Producer magazine, Steven Klapow recounts that a producer of video news releases for an oil company was under strict instructions to avoid including images, including on B-roll footage, that may not look good for the sponsoring company. We have to avoid any shots that can be taken out of context, the producer said. The sort of shots that could cause problems, Klapow wrote, includes steam emitting from a refinery could be perceived or described as smoke and any dirty areas in shots that are captured at filling stations. The producers of fake news are opposing the on-screen disclosure of the sponsors of corporate videos. - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-payola26may26.story May 26, 2005 Probe of Stealth TV Ads Sought * An FCC official urges his agency to crack down on lax disclosure of fees for product placement. By Meg James, Times Staff Writer Alarmed by covert commercial pitches sneaking into TV news and entertainment shows, Federal Communications Commission member Jonathan S. Adelstein on Wednesday called on the agency to investigate hidden advertising. Although Adelstein took particular aim at on-air personalities who tout products without divulging that they are paid endorsers, he went an additional step by criticizing the lack of full disclosure in the pay-for-plugs proliferating in scripted and reality TV. Adelstein lamented the practice, in which advertisers pay to get cars, cellphones, soft drinks and other products prominently featured or mentioned in shows. This is becoming so prevalent that people can't escape it by even taking a bathroom break, Adelstein said. It's OK if the broadcasters do this, but they need to inform the public that it's being done. Failing to disclose payments, he said, violates a 78-year-old FCC rule requiring broadcasters to clearly identify who provided valuable consideration to shows. Adelstein also took a swipe at his agency, which is charged with monitoring the public airwaves, for being lax in enforcing the regulations. Adelstein's comments mark the strongest words yet from an FCC commissioner about the lack of disclosure in product placement. The Democrat's remarks came in a speech to the Media Institute in Washington and in a subsequent Times interview. Whether other commissioners would support his call for a crackdown was unclear. Network representatives declined to comment. Advertisers increasingly count on integrating products into shows to reach viewers using digital video recorders, or DVRs, to skip past their traditional commercial spots. The product placement market is expected to swell to $4.2 billion this year, according to Connecticut-based consulting group PQ Media, up from nearly $3.5 billion last year. Networks are practically hanging for sale signs on their most lucrative programs, so much so that the topic was a running theme last week in New York during the kickoff of the TV industry's annual sales drive. Fox Sports announcer Joe Buck joked to advertisers that he would happily hawk their products during Fox baseball broadcasts, just as he did during the 2003 World Series. During Game 1, Buck chatted with Robin Williams, who was in the stadium watching the game. Viewers were informed the comedian was using a cellphone from Sprint, one of the telecast sponsors. Think it up, Buck told advertisers last week. I'll try it. I have absolutely no pride. At the presentation for the WB - owned by Time Warner Inc. and Tribune Co., owner of The Times - actress Amanda Bynes said the characters on her comedy What I Like About You were becoming increasingly familiar with real-world products. This season we found out, like, they eat Pringles and use Herbal Essence shampoo, Bynes quipped. Next season, we hope to find out what cellphones they're using and what cars they drive. But Adelstein bemoaned the practice as part of the bottomless pit of commercialism in today's media. He said that when viewers were left uninformed it amounted to illegal payola. Everything from Coke to soap is subliminally hawked in TV programs, Adelstein said. In today's media environment, product placement has moved beyond Coke tumblers prominently displayed at the judges' table of 'American Idol.' Now, products have even seeped into plot lines. These days advertisers pay as much as $2 million an episode to get their products featured on NBC's The Apprentice. Adelstein said networks needed to go further than inserting a fleeting mention of a paid sponsorship in a show's closing credits, which is how the practice is often handled. On Fox's American Idol, for example, the closing credits quickly note that Coca-Cola, Ford and Cingular Wireless are paid sponsors. A disclosure that appears on screen for a split second during the credits in small type that
[Biofuel] Ag Industry Aims to Strip Local Control of Food Supplies
http://counterpunch.org/tokar05262005.html May 26, 2005 Ag Industry Aims to Strip Local Control of Food Supplies Big Food Strikes Back By BRITT BAILEY and BRIAN TOKAR Legislation aiming to prevent counties, towns and cities from making local decisions about our food supply is being introduced in states across the nation. Fifteen states recently have introduced legislation removing local control of plants and seeds. Eleven of these states have already passed the provisions into law. These highly orchestrated industry actions are in response to recent local decisions to safeguard sustainable food systems. To date, initiatives in three California counties have restricted the cultivation of genetically modified crops, livestock, and other organisms and nearly 100 New England towns have passed various resolutions in support of limits on genetically engineered crops. These laws are industry's stealth response to a growing effort by people to protect their communities at the local level. Given the impacts of known ecological contamination from genetic modification, local governments absolutely should be given the power to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens. Local restrictions against genetically modified crops have provided a positive and hopeful solution and allowed citizens to take meaningful action in their hometown or county. Over the past several years in Iowa, we've seen local control taken away for the benefit of the corporate hog industry, said George Naylor, an Iowa farmer and President of the National Family Farm Coalition. With these pre-emption laws signed into law, we are now losing our ability to protect ourselves from irresponsible corporations aiming to control the agricultural seeds and plants planted throughout the state. According to Kristy Meyer of the Ohio Environmental Council, The amendment to our House Bill 66 would strip cities and villages of their authority to implement safeguards and standards concerning seeds. Supporting local control is quintessentially American, clearly reasonable, and represents the standards our country was founded upon. In the past decade, the same preemptive strategy has been used by the tobacco industry to thwart local efforts to introduce more stringent smoking and gun laws, respectively. As Tina Walls of Phillip Morris Co. admitted, By introducing preemptive statewide legislation, we can shift the battle away from the community level back to the state legislatures where we are on stronger ground. Why this challenge to local rights? Since 2002, towns, cities and counties across the US have passed resolutions seeking to control the use of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) within their jurisdiction. Close to 100 New England towns have passed resolutions opposing the unregulated use of GMOs; nearly a quarter of these have called for local moratoria on the planting of GMO seeds. In 2004, three California counties, Mendocino, Trinity and Marin, passed ordinances banning the raising of genetically engineered (GE) crops and livestock. Advocates across the country believe that the more people learn about the potential hazards of GE food and crops, the more they seek measures to protect public health, the environment, and family farms. They have come to view local action as a necessary antidote to inaction at the federal and state levels. Who is behind this strategy of state pre-emption? State legislators who support large-scale industrial agriculture, and are often funded by associated business interests are introducing these pre-emption bills. Farm Bureau chapters in the various states are key supporters. The bills represent a back-door, stealth strategy to override protective local measures around GMOs. The industry proposal for a Biotechnology state uniformity resolution was first introduced at a May 2004 forum sponsored by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). ALEC claims over 2000 state legislators as members and has more than 300 corporate sponsors, according to People for the American Way (see Resources). The organization has its origins in the efforts of political strategist and fundraiser Paul Weyrich to rebuild a Republican power base at the federal and state levels in the aftermath of Watergate. Other recent measures supported by ALEC include efforts to deregulate electric utilities, override local pesticide laws, repeal minimum wage laws, limit class action lawsuits and privatize public pensions. The tobacco industry has mounted similar efforts in recent years to circumvent local ordinances restricting youth access to cigarettes as well as smoking in restaurants, bars, and workplaces. Ironically, many of the interests now promoting state pre-emption have vociferously opposed federal regulations designed to pre-empt weaker state laws. Why is this a cause for wide public concern? Local governments have historically overseen
Re: [Biofuel] Mayors gather for climate change summit
Greetings, I sincerely hope that one of the things they are going to implement is to go after the housing committees or whatever they are called. You know, the idiots that decide what you can and can't do with the house you own. The idiots that restrict the use of solar panels and solar hot water in cities like Houston, Texas. If we could just have the right to implement sustainable living practices, without having to fight a court battle, I am sure we could have a great impact on climate change. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:00 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8044734/ Environment Mayors gather for climate change summit U.N. Environment Day idea draws 70 from around globe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] How would any of you answer this one?
Have always wondered about the caution expressedagainst milk products to minimize the personal risk of prostate cancer. The same risk from prostate cancer has also been associated with red meat. And, there are broader implications. Reasonfor thisrisk seemsobvious from the waysignificant sources of carcinogens are routinelyspread over the environment,efficiently gathered by grass consuming animals, and spread to humans in their milk and red-meat products whichalmost everyone consumes. Including also grain crops from whichcomevarieties ofother food products. Coal burning and other plantscontinuouslyspreadcarcinogenic flumes of smoke, including significant amounts of radioactivity from coal burning,widely around the Nation's environment from their 300-ft high smoke stacks, the presumption beingthatthese noxious productsspread thinly enough around the environmentwill not cause significant environmental risk.(Ironically, not true of nuclear power plants which do not spread radioactivity, at least not in this way.) IMHO this presumption needs to be challenged, for reason that we have some veryefficient mechanisms going to gather and spread these noxious products. Cattlegraze upon the grass upon which these noxious products fall, efficiently concentrate them, and they become widely consumed in themilk and red meat we buy from the supermarkets. Alternatively, these noxious products fall upon hay and grain crops which are harvested, andagain, these noxious products, apparently,find their way intofood products. Has this theory ever been challenged that noxious products do not hurt anyone if spread thin enough around the environment? Glenn Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last month, researchers at the Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philadelphia published the results of a study that examined the association between calcium and dairy product intake and the increased risk of prostate cancer. Using data from the first National Health and Nutrition Examination Epidemiologic Follow-Up Study, nearly 10 years of medical records were collected on more than 3,600 men. All of the men had completed dietary questionnaires in the early 80s. The Fox Chase team identified 131 cases of prostate cancer. After adjusting for age, race, smoking and other factors, they produced the following conclusions: Men who reported the highest dairy product intake were 2.2 times more likely to develop prostate cancer compared to men who had the lowest intake - In their conclusions, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the researchers write: "The mechanisms by which dairy and calcium might increase prostate cancer risk should be clarified and confirmed." ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
Dear Jason, On the face of it your suggestion seems like it should work but in practice it has not. The reason N Korea is starving its people and almost killing itself to get nuclear weapons is precisely because the Bush administration had developed a policy along the lines you suggest. Because they think we might strike first they (and apparently Iran as well) have concluded that they better get a bomb to deter us. It is not past policy but present policy that has brought about the situation with N. Korea. Prior to the axis of evil speech these countries were moderating. North and South Korea were talking about steps that could lead to reunification. Hardliners the world over were on the defensive. Now, with the US looking like a lose cannon, countries that saw nuclear weapons as unacceptably costly are reconsidering. It is not easy to have a nuclear weapons program even with outside help. It requires huge resources and only a country that is very rich or very frightened will undertake such a program. By being unpredictable we engender that fear. North Korea dos not expect to be able to defeat the US in a nuclear war but they know they dont have to. The destruction of an American city by a nuclear bomb would be unacceptable to this country. A first strike by a US administration that brought about such a result would bury that political party even if we won in the end. To borrow your analogy how long do you think your neighbors would put up with you if, in addition to having a gun in your house, you took to shooting at passers by because they looked suspicious or belonged to groups you were enemies with? You get to keep a gun in your house only as long as your neighbors feel sure you would only use it on someone who actually broke into your house first. A good offense is the best defense but what you suggest is not a good offence. A good offence would be to do everything possible to forge alliances to stop nuclear arms proliferation. Scaring other countries and isolating ourselves while being unreliable in our treaty obligations does not do this. As one who works in the mental health field I am well aware of the seductiveness of crazy behavior. In the short run it gives a person a lot of power because people around you are frightened and dont know what to do about you but in the long run they figure out how to isolate you and take back their power. Then the road to regaining the trust and respect of those around you is long and painful and usually not worth the initial transient benefits of the power play, which is partly what makes it crazy behavior. The same is true for countries, even very powerful ones. Rick Littrell Jason Schick wrote: Dear Keith, This is not disturbing to me at all. What it does is warn our enemies, and we do have legitimate enemies, that we will not necessarily wait to be struck first. For example, the posturing that N. Korea has been allowed to get away with is a product of our past policies. I don't think anyone can argue that N. Korea is anything but a despicable and corrupt regime that is nothing short of criminal. Under our past policies, N. Korea could be pretty much assured that we would not act unless they actually struck us first. They have felt free to defy not only the US but the entire free world all while starving there own people. Why should we give a dictator like that the advance knowledge that we aren't going to do anything? It's kind of like the gun that I have in my home. My neighbor may not be armed but the burglar is going to have to assume that we both are because he doesn't know. I think the best defense has always been a good offense and that is how I view this policy change. I enjoy the list. Thanks a lot. Jason Schick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
Like the psychopathic neighbor who periodically kills a cat for no reason. I'm a loose cannon, and you better not [EMAIL PROTECTED] with me (or even look like yer THINKIN' about it!) I believe this is in fact their chosen image, and in many cases their actual nature. To me VERY disturbing. -K Hey, who you callen psychopathic?? I just HATE cats! ;) Tee Hee Hee. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] BAD LYE??
I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol.Is my lye bad and how can I tell??The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing.What other problem could this be?Thanks for your helpRoy Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] thank you ref liquid lye
Thank you for your advise Bruno M. Methanol is available in N/Ireland from Chemical suppliers and they will sell it to me ok. they also have Lye and sulphuric acid. We have to pay Customs Excise 47p + 17.5% vat on every litre when im legal but I will go through the experimental stage first. I enjoy reading all the Emails on the list. Yes you are converting the £uk ok. Kindest regards, Tom JT Maguire... ___ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
Jason, I have to disagree with assumptions with respect to N. Korea. While North Korea and South Korea were talking about steps which could lead to re-unification and during the Clinton Presidency, North Korea was still developing the technology and infrastructure to build nuclear weapons. North Korea's leadership is determined to have a nuclear weapon regardless of the concerns of the world community. Larry On 6/2/05, Richard Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jason, On the face of it your suggestion seems like it should work but in practice it has not. The reason N Korea is starving it's people and almost killing itself to get nuclear weapons is precisely because the Bush administration had developed a policy along the lines you suggest. Because they think we might strike first they (and apparently Iran as well) have concluded that they better get a bomb to deter us. It is not past policy but present policy that has brought about the situation with N. Korea. Prior to the axis of evil speech these countries were moderating. North and South Korea were talking about steps that could lead to reunification. Hardliners the world over were on the defensive. Now, with the US looking like a lose cannon, countries that saw nuclear weapons as unacceptably costly are reconsidering. It is not easy to have a nuclear weapons program even with outside help. It requires huge resources and only a country that is very rich or very frightened will undertake such a program. By being unpredictable we engender that fear. North Korea dos not expect to be able to defeat the US in a nuclear war but they know they don't have to. The destruction of an American city by a nuclear bomb would be unacceptable to this country. A first strike by a US administration that brought about such a result would bury that political party even if we won in the end. To borrow your analogy how long do you think your neighbors would put up with you if, in addition to having a gun in your house, you took to shooting at passers by because they looked suspicious or belonged to groups you were enemies with? You get to keep a gun in your house only as long as your neighbors feel sure you would only use it on someone who actually broke into your house first. A good offense is the best defense but what you suggest is not a good offence. A good offence would be to do everything possible to forge alliances to stop nuclear arms proliferation. Scaring other countries and isolating ourselves while being unreliable in our treaty obligations does not do this. As one who works in the mental health field I am well aware of the seductiveness of crazy behavior. In the short run it gives a person a lot of power because people around you are frightened and don't know what to do about you but in the long run they figure out how to isolate you and take back their power. Then the road to regaining the trust and respect of those around you is long and painful and usually not worth the initial transient benefits of the power play, which is partly what makes it crazy behavior. The same is true for countries, even very powerful ones. Rick Littrell Jason Schick wrote: Dear Keith, This is not disturbing to me at all. What it does is warn our enemies, and we do have legitimate enemies, that we will not necessarily wait to be struck first. For example, the posturing that N. Korea has been allowed to get away with is a product of our past policies. I don't think anyone can argue that N. Korea is anything but a despicable and corrupt regime that is nothing short of criminal. Under our past policies, N. Korea could be pretty much assured that we would not act unless they actually struck us first. They have felt free to defy not only the US but the entire free world all while starving there own people. Why should we give a dictator like that the advance knowledge that we aren't going to do anything? It's kind of like the gun that I have in my home. My neighbor may not be armed but the burglar is going to have to assume that we both are because he doesn't know. I think the best defense has always been a good offense and that is how I view this policy change. I enjoy the list. Thanks a lot. Jason Schick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
If you follow up this logic, Today it is many in the world who hate Americans (not me). So if you find them uninvited on your territory, i.e. Iraq, it is ok to kill them? In this case they are more dangerous than cats, because the are trigger happy and can easily kill you by mistake. As a result of this, are you suggesting that it is OK to kill Americans in this case? I do not think so, but will think about what you suggest. I do not hate Cats either, but think that it is sometimes necessary to control the wild population without owners. It is however wrong to go around and kill the Cats if they have an owner, because it can cause serious emotional trauma. For some it can be comparable to killing their child. For others it sounds silly to compare it this way, but you must in this case still have respect for the feelings of your fellow being, without evaluations and judgement. Hakan YOU WROTE: Like the psychopathic neighbor who periodically kills a cat for no reason. I'm a loose cannon, and you better not [EMAIL PROTECTED] with me (or even look like yer THINKIN' about it!) I believe this is in fact their chosen image, and in many cases their actual nature. To me VERY disturbing. -K Hey, who you callen psychopathic?? I just HATE cats! ;) Tee Hee Hee. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Hi Terry, Looks like the reaction2RCOONa + Ca (Acetate)2-- (RCOO)2Ca + 2Na(Acetate) to me.(soluble soap)+ (hard water)--(insol. scum)+ (soluble salt) Bill has achieved a way of removing fatty acids dissolved in biodiesel. Congrats to Bill. Sabash! Terry DeSimone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill, Thought I'd read about everything there was on biodiesel,but don't recall anything on water hardness. Could you direct me to a link or post so I can learn more about this? By "hardness" I'm assuming you mean calcium? TerryBill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the unrelated text at the bottom of my last e-mail regardingAcusorb beads. Meant to cut that.I have been experiencing wash problems (bubble wash using Simon's superbubbler), specifically failures in the wash test. At first I suspectedtitration problems as well as process problems. Then I saw the message inthe archives regarding soft water. The municipal water supply in the City ofEufaula is very soft (near 0 grains of hardness). It also has a pH of 8.5.Treating the wash water with vinegar resulted in some reduction of emulsionformation but not complete elimination of the problem.After consulting the City's water works, I began using a water hardnessincreaser made for use in swimming pools. The results were dramatic;complete elimination of emulsions. I now use .5 oz. of hardness increaser in50 gallons of wash water (200 gal. biodiesel) along with 1 cup of vinegar.This increases hardness by 60 ppm. The manufacturer of the hardnessincreaser informed me that I may see some scale formation with the additionof vinegar but I will cross that bridge when I reach it.As I stated in my previous post, I use Acusorb beads as the final step in mywashing process. It does a fine job of drying and buffering the biodiesel. Inow use 1 wash before filtering the biodiesel through the beads. A shaketest of the final product using distilled water results in very fastseparation with clear biodiesel on top and pH nuetral water on the bottom.I am neither recommending nor condemning the use of Acusorb beads. I havefound a way to make them useful to me. My use of the beads is more a matterof speed of process. If time were not a factor, the cost of the beads mightprohibit my use of them.If there are factors I have neglected please let me know. Even though I havegood results in my final shake test, my obsessive-compulsive nature keeps mefrom feeling cofident about anything.Good biodieseling to everyone.Bill Clark___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] A Revolution in American Nuclear Policy
"The reason N Korea is starving its people and almost killing itself to get nuclear weapons is precisely because the Bush administration had developed a policy along the lines you suggest." Nice Rick.IMO, that analysis, isone of the most important and least emphasized in the broken and not so free media.I'm sure that I'm not the first person towonder if this kind ofprovocationis in the same vein as the Bay of Tonkin (Todd probably has a better example)-- except perhaps, slower, more sophisticated and overtly hidden. There has been a lot of saber rattling in the past.It seemsto me thatthose involved in manufacturingthat rattling, did soasa politicaltool for food, technology, trade, etc., with agendas that didn't include aneminent attack. But, as Rick points out, things are different now and likeKen described in his"psychopathic neighbor" analogy, "we"might really do something because (IMO) the US government has made hegemony, both in and out of the country, one of it's highest priorities. Mike Richard Littrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jason,On the face of it your suggestion seems like it should work but in practice it has not. The reason N Korea is starving its people and almost killing itself to get nuclear weapons is precisely because the Bush administration had developed a policy along the lines you suggest. Because they think we might strike first they (and apparently Iran as well) have concluded that they better get a bomb to deter us. It is not past policy but present policy that has brought about the situation with N. Korea. Prior to the axis of evil speech these countries were moderating. North and South Korea were talking about steps that could lead to reunification. Hardliners the world over were on the defensive. Now, with the US looking like a lose cannon, countries that saw nuclear weapons as unacceptably costly are reconsidering. It is not easy to have a nuclear weapons program even with outside help. It requires huge resources and only a country that is very rich or very frightened will undertake such a program. By being unpredictable we engender that fear. North Korea dos not expect to be able to defeat the US in a nuclear war but they know they dont have to. The destruction of an American city by a nuclear bomb would be unacceptable to this country. A first strike by a US administration that brought about such a result would bury that political party even if we won in the end. To borrow your analogy how long do you think your neighbors would put up with you if, in addition to having a gun in your house, you took to shooting at passers by because they looked suspicious or belonged to groups you were enemies with? You get to keep a gun in your house only as long as your neighbors feel sure you would only use it on someone who actually broke into your house first.A good offense is the best defense but what you suggest is not a good offence. A good offence would be to do everything possible to forge alliances to stop nuclear arms proliferation. Scaring other countries and isolating ourselves while being unreliable in our treaty obligations does not do this. As one who works in the mental health field I am well aware of the seductiveness of crazy behavior. In the short run it gives a person a lot of power because people around you are frightened and dont know what to do about you but in the long run they figure out how to isolate you and take back their power. Then the road to regaining the trust and respect of those around you is long and painful and usually not worth the initial transient benefits of the power play, which is partly what makes it crazy behavior. The same is true for countries, even very powerful ones.Rick LittrellJason Schick wrote:Dear Keith,This is not disturbing to me at all. What it does is warn our enemies, andwe do have legitimate enemies, that we will not necessarily wait to bestruck first. For example, the posturing that N. Korea has been allowed toget away with is a product of our past policies. I don't think anyone canargue that N. Korea is anything but a despicable and corrupt regime that isnothing short of criminal. Under our past policies, N. Korea could bepretty much assured that we would not act unless they actually struck usfirst. They have felt free to defy not only the US but the entire freeworld all while starving there own people. Why should we give a dictatorlike that the advance knowledge that we aren't going to do anything? It'skind of like the gun that I have in my home. My neighbor may not be armedbut the burglar is going to have to assume that we both are because hedoesn't know. I think the best defense has always been a good offense andthat is how I view this policy change.I enjoy the list. Thanks a lot.Jason Schick___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Bill: The folks in your town should be thankful. After their shower they still have a thin layer of natural (and yet clean) oils on their skin. Others, like me, need to soften our water to accomplish that or live with dry cracking skin, especially in the winter. Ray On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:11:25 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, Here is one from the archives: Message #45295. There is a post from Keith that refers to problems with soft water, nothing detailed, but I can't seem to find it right now. Soft water problems make sense to me. People who don't live here often complain that they can't get the soap off in the shower. Your pretty slick when you step out of the shower here. When washing clothes we only use half the recommended rate of detergent. I should have been more detailed about my conversation with the water works people. They gave me a target of 60-80 ppm of hardness. This will provide enough hardness without affecting the ability of the water to dissolve soaps. Best wishes, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Terry DeSimone To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel Hello Bill, Thought I'd read about everything there was on biodiesel,but don't recall anything on water hardness. Could you direct me to a link or post so I can learn more about this? By hardness I'm assuming you mean calcium? Terry Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the unrelated text at the bottom of my last e-mail regarding Acusorb beads. Meant to cut that. I have been experiencing wash problems (bubble wash using Simon's super bubbler), specifically failures in the wash test. At first I suspected titration problems as well as process problems. Then I saw the message in the archives regarding soft water. The municipal water supply in the City of Eufaula is very soft (near 0 grains of hardness). It also has a pH of 8.5. Treating the wash water with vinegar resulted in some reduction of emulsion formation but not complete elimination of the problem. After consulting the City's water works, I began using a water hardness increaser made for use in swimming pools. The results were dramatic; complete elimination of emulsions. I now use .5 oz. of hardness increaser in 50 gallons of wash wa! ter (200 gal. biodiesel) along with 1 cup of vinegar. This increases hardness by 60 ppm. The manufacturer of the hardness increaser informed me that I may see some scale formation with the addition of vinegar but I will cross that bridge when I reach it. As I stated in my previous post, I use Acusorb beads as the final step in my washing process. It does a fine job of drying and buffering the biodiesel. I now use 1 wash before filtering the biodiesel through the beads. A shake test of the final product using distilled water results in very fast separation with clear biodiesel on top and pH nuetral water on the bottom. I am neither recommending nor condemning the use of Acusorb beads. I have found a way to make them useful to me. My use of the beads is more a matter of speed of process. If time were not a factor, the cost of the beads might prohibit my use of them. If there are factors I have neglected please let me know. Even though! I have good results in my final shake test, my obsessive-compulsive nature keeps me from feeling cofident about anything. Good biodieseling to everyone. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
RE: [Biofuel] thank you ref liquid lye
Hi Tom, I e-mailed you off list a few days ago about the availability of lye and methanol in Ireland. Did you receive it? Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2005 00:31 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] thank you ref liquid lye Thank you for your advise Bruno M. Methanol is available in N/Ireland from Chemical suppliers and they will sell it to me ok. they also have Lye and sulphuric acid. We have to pay Customs Excise 47p + 17.5% vat on every litre when im legal but I will go through the experimental stage first. I enjoy reading all the Emails on the list. Yes you are converting the £uk ok. Kindest regards, Tom JT Maguire... ___ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the dust. It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid. ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* http://www.trivita.com/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit http://www.mytrim.com/Roy*_mytrim.com/Roy_* http://www.mytrim.com/Roy Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Biogas from Seaweed
Hello Craig and Kieth i think you where looking for this article http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1611170,00.html Keith, I heard that the Sunday Times (UK, 15th May) published an article about how the Japanese have started farming macroalgae (seaweed) to produce methane fuel 'biogas'. Unfortunately I haven't been able to access the article but I'm encouraged to hear that something is actually happening, since I've read reports from the 1980's predicting that it would be feasible by about now. I'd be interested to find out more: has it made the news in Japan at all? Craig Hi Craig I don't know about it. I'll try to check it out. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-06-02 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] Liquid Lye
Thank you for your advise. Methanol is available in N/Ireland from Chemical suppliers and they will sell it to me ok. they also have Lye and sulphuric acid. We have to pay Customs Excise 47p + 17.5% vat on every litre when im legal but I will go through the experimental stage first. I enjoy reading all the Emails on the list. Kindest regards, JT Maguire... ___ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Howdy right back at ya Bob I'm using Lewis Red Devil 100% lye. So it says on the plastic bottle. It also says Contains Sodium Hydroxide (LYE). Does this change anything? I'm no chemist. I guess you figured that out already :-) Thanks Roybob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the "dust". It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid.ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005-- Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bob"Science is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
short answer, no. Be sure you are keeping the methanol solution closed up tight. Methanol will absorb water from the air, and the lye will cause the absorption of carbon dioxide from the air, turning the lye into insoluble soda ash. If you have kept the lye/methanol solution closed, go ahead you should not have a problem. ( I bet the legal definition of lye includes a few per cent water and some other minor impurities such as soda ash) ROY Washbish wrote: Howdy right back at ya Bob I'm using Lewis Red Devil 100% lye. So it says on the plastic bottle. It also says Contains *Sodium Hydroxide (LYE)*. Does this change anything? I'm no chemist. I guess you figured that out already :-) Thanks Roy */bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the dust. It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid. ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ *Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* http://www.trivita.com/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit http://www.mytrim.com/Roy*_mytrim.com/Roy_* http://www.mytrim.com/Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
Bob So whatI get out of what you told me is I have soda ash in my lye caused by the absorption of carbon dioxide from room air and my breath. This action takes place after the methanol and the lye are combined ? OR ... is the absorption of CO2 taking place when the lye is being weighed? When I found that there was what I thought was undissolved lye in my methanol I stirred it for a few minutes. This did nothing. Do I now scrap this batch? What isthe basic CAUSE of my problem What are my mistakes? Are they all listed above? The relative humidity in my BIO room is 65%. Do I have this right? Your thoughts I'm really not an accident waiting to happen although I'll bet you can't tell it :-) I just need to understand this so I can get to the next place. Thanks Bunches for your time and knowledge. I appreciate it. Roy bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: short answer, no. Be sure you are keeping the methanol solution closed up tight. Methanol will absorb water from the air, and the lye will cause the absorption of carbon dioxide from the air, turning the lye into insoluble soda ash. If you have kept the lye/methanol solution closed, go ahead you should not have a problem. ( I bet the legal definition of lye includes a few per cent water and some other minor impurities such as soda ash)ROY Washbish wrote: Howdy right back at ya Bob I'm using Lewis Red Devil 100% lye. So it says on the plastic bottle. It also says Contains *Sodium Hydroxide (LYE)*. Does this change anything? I'm no chemist. I guess you figured that out already :-) Thanks Roy */bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Howdy Roy, my guess is you are seeing a small amount of sodium carbonate (soda ash) which the lye may have been made from. If you are operating on a small scale, ignore the "dust". It probably won't effect the outcome. Depending on your source of lye, it's not 100 per cent anyway. I use potassium hydroxide, (~92 %) and it works fine, even tho there is a small amount of undissolved solid. ROY Washbish wrote: I'm having problems getting my lye into solution. It's been over 24 hours and I have swirled it about 20 times. I still have settlement (not chunks, it looks like dust) on the bottom of the jar and when I swirl it it looks like a white cloud spinning around in the methanol. Is my lye bad and how can I tell?? The lye in the original container is still free (not stuck together). I did check the history messages but found nothing. What other problem could this be? Thanks for your help Roy*Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/*Roy Washbish *Certified Health Coach *A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK* PRODUCTS BUSINESS *TRIVITA.COM/11393920* GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit *_mytrim.com/Roy_* __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:
Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Hi Ray, We are thankful for the quality and plentifulness of our water supply. The people I was referring to are visitors or newcomers. Established citizens are well aware of the benefits of soft water on skin. Thanks, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel Bill: The folks in your town should be thankful. After their shower they still have a thin layer of natural (and yet clean) oils on their skin. Others, like me, need to soften our water to accomplish that or live with dry cracking skin, especially in the winter. Ray On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:11:25 -0400, Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, Here is one from the archives: Message #45295. There is a post from Keith that refers to problems with soft water, nothing detailed, but I can't seem to find it right now. Soft water problems make sense to me. People who don't live here often complain that they can't get the soap off in the shower. Your pretty slick when you step out of the shower here. When washing clothes we only use half the recommended rate of detergent. I should have been more detailed about my conversation with the water works people. They gave me a target of 60-80 ppm of hardness. This will provide enough hardness without affecting the ability of the water to dissolve soaps. Best wishes, Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Terry DeSimone To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel Hello Bill, Thought I'd read about everything there was on biodiesel,but don't recall anything on water hardness. Could you direct me to a link or post so I can learn more about this? By hardness I'm assuming you mean calcium? Terry Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the unrelated text at the bottom of my last e-mail regarding Acusorb beads. Meant to cut that. I have been experiencing wash problems (bubble wash using Simon's super bubbler), specifically failures in the wash test. At first I suspected titration problems as well as process problems. Then I saw the message in the archives regarding soft water. The municipal water supply in the City of Eufaula is very soft (near 0 grains of hardness). It also has a pH of 8.5. Treating the wash water with vinegar resulted in some reduction of emulsion formation but not complete elimination of the problem. After consulting the City's water works, I began using a water hardness increaser made for use in swimming pools. The results were dramatic; complete elimination of emulsions. I now use .5 oz. of hardness increaser in 50 gallons of wash wa! ter (200 gal. biodiesel) along with 1 cup of vinegar. This increases hardness by 60 ppm. The manufacturer of the hardness increaser informed me that I may see some scale formation with the addition of vinegar but I will cross that bridge when I reach it. As I stated in my previous post, I use Acusorb beads as the final step in my washing process. It does a fine job of drying and buffering the biodiesel. I now use 1 wash before filtering the biodiesel through the beads. A shake test of the final product using distilled water results in very fast separation with clear biodiesel on top and pH nuetral water on the bottom. I am neither recommending nor condemning the use of Acusorb beads. I have found a way to make them useful to me. My use of the beads is more a matter of speed of process. If time were not a factor, the cost of the beads might prohibit my use of them. If there are factors I have neglected please let me know. Even though! I have good results in my final shake test, my obsessive-compulsive nature keeps me from feeling cofident about anything. Good biodieseling to everyone. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___
Re: [Biofuel] BAD LYE??
ROY, Take a chill. You have a small amount of soda ash in the bottom of the tank. Leave it there. Pore off the M/H and leave it in the bottom. There is no way of getting around a little [junk] in the stuff we get unless you pay BIG bucks for reagent grade or better. Even if you do, you will pick up CO2 out of the air when you handle it. But NOT a large amount and NOT enough to get your undies in a twist over. I don't know for sure [guys, check me out here] but I don't see a problem IF you did dump it all into the batch. It should settle out under your glycerin and can be dealt with later. Dry it and dump it or find an outlet for it. SOME body some where wants soda ash. Any way you look at it, your NOT dealing with radio active waste here. It is not a big deal to deal with. In the right type of soil some one may NEED soda ash to correct something. How about it you workers of the soil, Is there a use for it? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
[Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
Every once in a while, there is some good news about those who struggle against the current administration and their policies. Since we touch on the crisis in this forum, I thought some of you might be a little encouraged by this small victory. Mike_ DISTRICT ATTORNEY DROPS CHARGES AGAINST THE "CITY FOUR" CITY COLLEGE STAFF MEMBER TO DEFEND HERSELF IN STEP II HEARING At a peaceful protest against military recruitment on the City College of New York (CCNY) campus on March 9, 2005, campus security arrested three students and a staff member, and beat two of the students, and the college President, Gregory Williams, suspended the protesters without any investigation or hearing. Williams broadcast a statement claiming that all were guilty and that the College wouldnt tolerate "violence." But after a months suspension, all four returned to the College when the charges were dropped. On May 19, the District Attorney (DA) moved to dismiss the charges within 6 months time through an Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal (ACD). Clearly, there was no evidence to try the four. The massive outpouring of support for the "City Four" and the outrage at City Colleges attempt to stifle dissent has helped return the four to their rightful place in the College community, where they will continue to organize against military recruitment on campus. Carol Lang, the Theater Departments secretary, still faces disciplinary charges at a Step II hearing at 10 AM on Thursday, June 2, at the Universitys Central Office, 535 E. 80th St. (at York Avenue). A strong show of support for Carol is important to remind CCNY that the charges against her are unfounded and that she is entitled to receive back pay for days she was wrongfully forced to miss work. Lang should not lose pay or be punished for charges that, according to the DA, have no merit. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
