[Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread JJJN
I was really bored out of town this week so I watched TV. The most interesting thing I could find was a Rep from Maryland was speaking about Alternative fuels on C-Span. He made an interesting argument for alternatives. I was sorely disappointed that he did not mention or even list

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-11 Thread JJJN
I may be getting in the middle here but FYI I just purchased some 8 Dia. Sch 40 PVC. It holds roughly 2.5 gallons per foot. they make a very nice concentric reducer glue fitting for the bottom that can be threaded to your choice of sizes. The Wall Thickness is heavy enough you can drill and

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power (was C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Hi JJJN, On Sep 10, 2005, at 9:47 PM, JJJN wrote: ... Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy extracted. I was laughed at and got that look _Now I did say potentia_l. The laws of

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-11 Thread Ron Waugh
thanks jjjn this is the best ideal i have seen yet. god bless Levi - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor I may be

Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really bored out of town this week so I watched TV. The most interesting thing I could find was a Rep from Maryland was speaking about Alternative fuels on C-Span. He made an interesting argument for alternatives. I was sorely disappointed that he did

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-11 Thread dwoodard
In very round numbers, gasoline has about 20,000 BTU per pound, ethanol 12,000, methanol 10,000. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-11 Thread subramanian D.V
Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam, I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals for producing alcohol. The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-11 Thread Marty Phee
PVC will get soft as it's heated. Take this into account. I'm not sure how much heat is required though. I've seen people bend and stretch PVC using steam or propane torch. Also, PVC gives off dioxin when it burns. JJJN wrote: I may be getting in the middle here but FYI I just purchased

Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Marty Phee
Wouldn't putting in a sub-division or office park have the same effect on the wind as turbines do? Darryl McMahon wrote: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really bored out of town this week so I watched TV. The most interesting thing I could find was a Rep from Maryland was speaking

[Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/10/katrina.contracts.reut/index.html Firms with White House ties get Katrina contracts FEMA taps Halliburton subsidiary, Shaw Group, Bechtel for cleanup Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:26 p.m. EDT (17:26 GMT) SPECIAL REPORT

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-11 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Pannir and all Hellow Keith Thank you very much for your kind reply. You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it. As Manick is from India , As Manick is from Malasia and also he move often there I have written to him about your dedicated to help all the farmer in the world ,

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuels Library The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Ten Speed Press © Copyright 1980 J.A. Diaz Publications (out of print) This excellent manual gives you all the information you need to get going with

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol in Engines was Materials, Venturis and Biodiesel

2005-09-11 Thread Keith Addison
OK, Lets see if I have this straight, from what I have read; - Methanol is bad as a single fuel unless designed for it, but ok to disperse water as an additive like Heet, - Washed Biodiesel is a compound containing methanol so it does not react like methanol nor have its properties - But if you

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power (was C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Wind farms work in the 100 meters closest to the earth. Due to interaction with the ground it is relatively low energy compared to 1km and higher above the ground. In other words it is in the noise in terms of measurement. If you are worried about windturbines then you should worry

Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Darryl McMahon
Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: Wouldn't putting in a sub-division or office park have the same effect on the wind as turbines do? Probably a greater effect on stopping the wind, as these structures are solid and rigid, while the wind turbines move in response to the wind and deflect

Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-11 Thread Flamemom
In a message dated 9/11/2005 1:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok one last question about wind farms. I told someone that wind farms have the _potential_ of changing the weather if there is enough energy extracted. I was laughed at and got that "look"

Re: [Biofuel] When Science Gets Censored

2005-09-11 Thread Alan Petrillo
Keith Addison wrote: [snip] Copyright 2005 American Chemical Society I find it interesting that this comes from the American Chemical Society, when they are one of the organizations that seems to be intentionally generating uncertainty on this issue. Witness the Atrazine fight. AP

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread dwoodard
I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred years, so this doesn't worry me. Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little faster than it is slowing anyway from friction - probably not a

Re: [Biofuel] Rural energy problem nad Big oil

2005-09-11 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Dear Subramanian Thank you very much for bringing here the real problems there in India Every where the oil companies are against the renewable energy.The problem is the very big countries such as India , china , Brazil need not follow the model of the other countries expecting oil companies

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-11 Thread JJJN
PVC is rated at 160 psi at 73 deg F. as one (pressure) increases the other (temp) must decrease within limits of a range. thus if one takes PSI to 0 temp can increase to a maximum before deformation. I don't know that point... but I have tested it to 212 deg F with no deformations or glue

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
And when you consider the heat of compression is still in the cycle of a gas turbine you see the problem with using compressed gas. The refrigeration at expansion has to be input from the environment or you see a loss on both ends. Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. The most efficient means seems

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 11, 2005, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that large arrays of wind farms would have an effect similar to forests. We've chopped down a lot of forests over tha last few hundred years, so this doesn't worry me. Tidal power would slow the earth's rotation a little

Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-09-11 Thread Mike Weaver
I've had linux Samba servers stay up two years or so Felipe Navarrete wrote: Happy to hear a little linux talk on the list. Im a computer tech for FIU in Miami and use linux wherever possible. My home router is a pentium one 166 with 64 mb ram. Its been up for about five years with little or

Re: [Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw

2005-09-11 Thread Mike Weaver
I'm shocked, shocked, to find out that steering has occured in Washington DC. Welcome to DC. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/10/katrina.contracts.reut/index.html Firms with White House ties get Katrina contracts FEMA taps Halliburton subsidiary, Shaw

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme. TarynToo wrote: ... I remember some blue sky stuff

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread Mike Weaver
No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves! TarynToo wrote: Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread Kirk McLoren
Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability considerations of falling stuff. Just

Re: [Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw

2005-09-11 Thread Richard Littrell
Me too. I thought this only happened at the UN. Say, what do you suppose the chances are that Bush will ask Paul Volker to lead an independnet investigation of Halliburton? :-) Rick Mike Weaver wrote: I'm shocked, shocked, to find out that steering has occured in Washington DC. Welcome

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-11 Thread TarynToo
Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good dirt... Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD, Solaris, Linux Boxen. Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1! Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Mike