[biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils

2002-11-25 Thread Frank Bergmans
Hi everyone, At this moment I am writing a fact sheet about the use of used Waste Vegetable Oil from restaurants. Since the ban on animal feed WVO needs an alternative outlet. Because the Dutch government is against tax redemption on bio diesel the most relevant outlet at this moment is

Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 410

2002-11-25 Thread Chuck Ranum
FOR THE RECORD: Homebrew Biodiesel problems in the mid-west: I am the homebrewer who is responsible for TWO failures in ND. One: a good friend, who was so anxious to try BD twisted my arm into letting him have 45 gallons of unwashed BD, which clogged filters on his 6.5 turbo GM, no other

Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils

2002-11-25 Thread Appal Energy
Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the ground, straight vegetable oil and biodiesel in one of their units (one of their distributor's units in Ohio actually), all with fine results relative to

[biofuels-biz] Re:Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-25 Thread Thor Skov
Keith, Graham, and everyone, Some ideas as a follow-up. If NBB and others are concerned that consumers will be put off by poor quality biodiesel and/or the improper use/preparation for use of good quality biodiesel, then perhaps someone should put together a buying guide. A while back someone,

[biofuels-biz] big vs small: quality assurance

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Hoppin
Hi folks. I'm learning a lot from the ongoing lively debate-- thank you. Regarding the issue that has been at hand-- whether big producers deliver better quality and reliability than small producers or not, and whether any quality differences are cause for concern among potential consumers or

[biofuels-biz] BD Business and Ability to be Profitable-- does big vs small matter?

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew Hoppin
Hello again. One charge that I have heard public policy folks levy at small producers is along the following lines: Small producers can't make their production business really profitable, so they're not going to be able to contribute significantly to mass-market conversion from fossil fuels to

Re: [biofuels-biz] BD Business and Ability to be Profitable-- does big vs small matter?

2002-11-25 Thread James Slayden
Hi Andrew, I think that business case decisions are based on things like; people employed, feedstock cost, chemicals cost, facility costs, equipment costs and depreciation, etc. It takes making up a business plan and proforma to find out at what level of production and sales can be applied.

[biofuels-biz] chrysler diesel and hybrid news

2002-11-25 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/021125/autos_chrysler_1.html Reuters Chrysler to roll out diesel SUV, hybrid pickup Monday November 25, 4:22 pm ET By Justin Hyde NEW YORK, Nov 25 (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler arm (NYSE:DCX - News; XETRA:DCXGn.DE - News) said on Monday it will roll out a

Re: [biofuels-biz] big vs small: quality assurance

2002-11-25 Thread James Slayden
Andrew, Interesting that you mention this for when I did a search on ASTM testing services here is what I got: Searched the web for ASTM Testing Services. Results 1 - 4 of about 6. I even modified the search and got worse results. Someone had previously sent a link for ~$700 ASTM testing

Re: [biofuels-biz] information on combustion of used frying oils

2002-11-25 Thread James Slayden
Here is a link to another manufacture: http://www.econoheat.com/ They even have AC's James Slayden On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Appal Energy wrote: Frank, Take a look at www.cleanburn.com They're just a few hours from here in Pennsylvania. We ran samples of Ohio crude straight out of the

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: pH questions, somewhat urgent

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi all, Keith asked me offlist for directions for the acid number determination. Here's the info, forwarded from an offlist exchange I had with Todd Swearingen a few weeks ago, about this and other quality standards stuff... Mark Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:01 -0400 Maria, Looking at the

[biofuels-biz] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again Thor It's odd that there's so much talk of people being so easily put off, and the uncertainties of new fuels, or of anything new, of resistance to change. Most homebrewers and especially those who campaign at state fairs and so on report quite the opposite. Chuck just hinted at

Re: [biofuels-biz] BD Business and Ability to be Profitable-- does big vs small matter?

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
On the basis of this reasoning, it would then be best to eradicate small farms and small farmers, for instance, and have it all replaced by more efficient industrialized farming. Only it hasn't quite worked out that way. What you tend to get instead is less efficiency, or no efficiency, with

Re: [biofuels-biz] big vs small: quality assurance

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Andrew There has been talk of setting up centralized labs on a sort of coop basis where small producers could send samples for testing at affordable rates. Several people have discussed this idea, in several countries, but I don't think anything has come of it yet. After industry

Chuck's the culprit! - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 410

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
LOL, Chuck! Rest easy, somehow I don't think they're going to have you taken out and shot for it. On the other hand, thousands of people have visited your page at our site, which is surely a useful aid to making good fuel. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html Biodiesel

Re: [biofuels-biz] BD Business and Ability to be Profitable-- does big vs small matter?

2002-11-25 Thread girl mark
any idea on how many small producers we';re talking about in the us? Mark At 03:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: Hello again. One charge that I have heard public policy folks levy at small producers is along the following lines: Small producers can't make their production business really

Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: pH questions, somewhat urgent

2002-11-25 Thread Sam Jai-In
Hi Keith, What about the European standards such as DIN or Austrian ? they require at least 96.5% metylester content; is this beyond homebrew? --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Keith asked me offlist for directions for the acid number determination. Here's the info,

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread Doug Foskey
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:24, you wrote: Hello Everyone! There's a lot of ignorance about energy issues out there. I suppose people in forums like this one have a LOT of educating to do. . . robert luis rabello Totally agree. I built my own house (with the help of contractors)

[biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shawn Zenor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as Americans being concerned about deforestation- clearly they are not. Look who 'we' voted into the white house Shawn (waiting for Hawai`i to secede) Shawn, There is much more to

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I am not arguing that in some parts of the US, pallets may be a one time use, but in my part of Texas, there is a $10 deposit per pallet on hardwood pallets. You can still scrounge good pallets, but it is getting harder. I have a floor made of OSB on pallets, works great. [temporary living

Re: [biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Not only is Mother Nature in deep s___t, but we as a society are. I often wish we could put back the old wood cutters cottages, in the National forests, for the people that just don't fit our modern society. They could be very useful to the rest of us and be much happier, themselves.

[biofuel] Question about yield

2002-11-25 Thread Stanley Baer
Hi I am interested in making biodiesel from waste oil and have a couple questions: 1) Methanol seems to be the most expensive ingredient in the process. I have read in some places that 20% by volume of methanol is required, in other places I have read 25% is required. How little can I get

Re: [biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Kim, You are expanding the issue with several potentials, but you are very right. A lot of good could be done by a solution that you indicate. Hakan At 08:19 AM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: Not only is Mother Nature in deep s___t, but we as a society are. I often wish we could put back

Re: [biofuel] fuel haze questions

2002-11-25 Thread Ken Provost
Mark: I've read some stuff on Maui about Neutral talking about post-wash settling in an open container exposed to open air being some important part of the picture for him..any ideas? Nope! (ask him)... is this what you mean by 'letting it sit outside'? I leave it out where it will get

Re: [biofuel] Question about yield

2002-11-25 Thread Ken Provost
Stan writes: 1) Methanol seems to be the most expensive ingredient in the process. I have read in some places that 20% by volume of methanol is required, in other places I have read 25% is required. How little can I get away with? Experiments by Neutral (infopop forum) indicate that

Re: [biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread James Slayden
Motie, I bless you for that link! :) It's just what I was looking for. James Slayden On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, motie_d wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that

Re: [biofuel] Question about yield

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Stan Hi I am interested in making biodiesel from waste oil and have a couple questions: 1) Methanol seems to be the most expensive ingredient in the process. I have read in some places that 20% by volume of methanol is required, in other places I have read 25% is required. How little

Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-25 Thread Greg and April
Ok people, lets take it with a large grain of salt until we can get the specific law about it directly from the IRS. When I say specific law, I mean right down the page, paragraph, and sentence number. I say this because even the IRS will admit, that anything that their agents tell you, is not

[biofuel] 'Direct Democracy'

2002-11-25 Thread milliontc
Being keen on 'Direct Democracy' via internet voting, I was interested in this clip from a Reuters report relating the failure of NGOs to have had any impact at the Johannesburg summit... The real issue is between governments and public opinion. Public opinion in some

Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-25 Thread Ken Provost
Greg writes: Ok people, lets take it with a large grain of salt until we can get the specific law about it directly from the IRS. When I say specific law, I mean right down the page, paragraph, and sentence number. OK, what the hell...I'm on vacation this week anyway, so I did some poking

Re: [biofuel] WVO for heat, preliminary results

2002-11-25 Thread studio53
Stephen, How is that home heating oil/WVO project coming along. Haven't heard from you in quite some time. You still filtering SVO? --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371

[biofuel] Methane Digestor

2002-11-25 Thread Jack Kenworthy
Hello, We have a constructed wetland at our school that processes our sewage from roughly 70 people. The system has a settling tank where solids are seperated out before sending the fluid waste into the wetland gardens. Every year or so, the solids build up and need to be pumped out. I am

[biofuel] chrysler diesel and hybrid news

2002-11-25 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/021125/autos_chrysler_1.html Reuters Chrysler to roll out diesel SUV, hybrid pickup Monday November 25, 4:22 pm ET By Justin Hyde NEW YORK, Nov 25 (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler arm (NYSE:DCX - News; XETRA:DCXGn.DE - News) said on Monday it will roll out a

[biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only is Mother Nature in deep s___t, but we as a society are. I often wish we could put back the old wood cutters cottages, in the National forests, for the people that just don't fit our modern society. They

Re: [biofuel] Methane Digestor

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Standard procedure in many countries to process human wastes in biogas digesters. In fact it's standard procedure at very many sewage treatment plants in the West, if on a more industrialized scale. Hakan's links are great. So are Steve's (big page): http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/Methane.htm

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] BD Business and Ability to be Profitable-- does big vs small matter?

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
On the basis of this reasoning, it would then be best to eradicate small farms and small farmers, for instance, and have it all replaced by more efficient industrialized farming. Only it hasn't quite worked out that way. What you tend to get instead is less efficiency, or no efficiency, with

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] big vs small: quality assurance

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Andrew There has been talk of setting up centralized labs on a sort of coop basis where small producers could send samples for testing at affordable rates. Several people have discussed this idea, in several countries, but I don't think anything has come of it yet. After industry

[biofuel] Chuck's the culprit! - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 410

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
LOL, Chuck! Rest easy, somehow I don't think they're going to have you taken out and shot for it. On the other hand, thousands of people have visited your page at our site, which is surely a useful aid to making good fuel. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html Biodiesel

[biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kim, You are expanding the issue with several potentials, but you are very right. A lot of good could be done by a solution that you indicate. Hakan At 08:19 AM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: Not only is Mother

Re: [biofuel] Methane Digestor

2002-11-25 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam
Yes we have experience in Brasil --- Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:Hello, We have a constructed wetland at our school that processes our sewage from roughly 70 people. The system has a settling tank where solids are seperated out before sending the fluid waste into the

[biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motie, I bless you for that link! :) It's just what I was looking for. James Slayden James, Glad to be of service, but I must humbly admit my intention was to be a smart-aleck! If you have a serious interest, I

Forests - was [biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-25 Thread Keith Addison
I see your point Motie, but I do think you're being a bit one-sided. I think you can assign blame in three directions, probably with not much to choose between them: wrong-headed environmentalists, large-scale commercial logging concerns, and bureaucrats. None is blame-free, and on the other

[biofuel] wvo

2002-11-25 Thread Robby Davenport
I have not yet started with making or using wvo as fuel . one of the things I would like to know is in my situation I will have to take all of the waste that is in the waste oil container . What is typical ; I have read most of you pull off the top . Apparently to avoid the solids on the