[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
Mark Matthews is trying to set things straight with the film he's making. It's confused, and confused further by allegations of buddy deals at the top level, so the journalists smell a scandal and ethanol's taking collateral damage. The Sydney Morning Herald yarn I posted about a week back

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
A complete report covering all of the applications of ethanol in gasoline, in new and used engines: ERDC Project No 2511 Intensive Field Trial of Ethanol/Petrol Blend in Vehicles. This trial showed no harm to any engines, and documented the benefits. This is the Executive Summary, compliments

RE: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

2002-12-19 Thread Darren
Martin Presently a lot of research and development with vegetable oil fuels mainly SVO systems. Also biofuel promotion, lobbying and consultation. See www.vegburner.co.uk Darren -Original Message- From: martin.brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18

Re: [biofuels-biz] City of Oakland holding a meeting aimed supporting local commercial biodiesel production

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
One would think that the Former Gov Brown would be all over this!! Great media opportunity also. ;-) On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Kenneth Kron wrote: Just thought I'd update the list. I've been working with with the sustainable development person in the planning department in Oakland, Carol

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:39:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel Australia is a significant country, but it is smaller than Brazil and if I am not totally wrong a population less than

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
MM wrote: Mark Matthews is trying to set things straight with the film he's making. It's confused, and confused further by allegations of buddy deals at the top level, so the journalists smell a scandal and ethanol's taking collateral damage. It's not just the journalists, more important

RE: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

2002-12-19 Thread girl mark
I will post a detailed email about how our Berkeley biodiesel coop is organized, but it'll take me a few days to write it up. I get requests for this info a lot. Mark At 12:32 PM 12/19/2002 +, you wrote: Martin Presently a lot of research and development with vegetable oil fuels

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread Hakan Falk
While no one claimed 10 percent ethanol blends have an adverse impact on engines, early testing with one type of marine two-stroke engine found stalling may occur when the throttle is opened from low speed, even with a 10 percent blend, creating a possible safety hazard, Kemp said. I

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
It would be utterly irresponsible if Australia do not take the important and necessary steps to be energy independent. Scaremongers tactics who use up to 80 years old American arguments, that was already incorrect then, is an insult to the Australian people. Hearing about this kind of tactics,

[biofuels-biz] (fwd) re: Price of BD

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
I received this private email from someone who is in the industry and apparently is following the price of BD discussion and did some research on the matter. I think others might be interested in their attempts to research this. It isn't clear to me from their private email if they were

Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

2002-12-19 Thread martin.brook
Thankyou, much appreciated. - Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives I will post a detailed email about how our Berkeley biodiesel coop is organized,

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Special Alert -- Don't Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research and Brainstorming Workshop

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
From: National Biodiesel Board [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newsletter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Special Alert -- Don't Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research and Brainstorming Workshop Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:48:03 -0600 Special Alert÷Donât Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research

[biofuels-biz] [news]: No beer for Christmas in Venezuela

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=586e=1cid=586u=/nm/20021219/wl_nm/venezuela_dc Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive

[biofuels-biz] [news]: No beer for Christmas in Venezuela

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
ooops, meant to post the text as well http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=586e=1cid=586u=/nm/20021219/wl_nm/venezuela_dc World - Reuters Venezuela Court Orders Oil Restart as Strike Bites 1 hour, 7 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Patrick Markey CARACAS

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
Mark Matthews is trying to set things straight with the film he's making. It's confused, and confused further by allegations of buddy deals at the top level, so the journalists smell a scandal and ethanol's taking collateral damage. The Sydney Morning Herald yarn I posted about a week back

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
A complete report covering all of the applications of ethanol in gasoline, in new and used engines: ERDC Project No 2511 Intensive Field Trial of Ethanol/Petrol Blend in Vehicles. This trial showed no harm to any engines, and documented the benefits. This is the Executive Summary, compliments

Re: [biofuel] Time Magazine features Direct Liquid Ethanol Fuel Cells

2002-12-19 Thread Mike Teresa Sundstrom
For a while now I have had it in my mind that I should produce ethanol in my back yard from biomass. Make electricity from the ethanol. Then, use the electricity to power my home and sell the excess to the power company. Easy right. Any coments. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

RE: [biofuel] Finding source for SVO

2002-12-19 Thread Juan Boveda
Hello Bruce You could check where is your local Vegetal Oil Refinery or the nearest Oilseed Crushing Mill and if they are during the harvest season of whatever oilseed they crush, you will have a good chance to get SVO directly from a tank of raw veg oil without the refinery cost. Please, use

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread Hakan Falk
Australia is a significant country, but it is smaller than Brazil and if I am not totally wrong a population less than 10% of that of US. I think it is one of the least populated countries in the world. Having this in mind, it is still a very important country and they have very large incentives

RE: [biofuel] Time Magazine features Direct Liquid Ethanol Fuel Cells

2002-12-19 Thread kirk
Cogeneration can help it pencil. Don't throw the heat away. download a copy of book MicroCogeneration here http://www.innerlodge.com/Energy/Micro_Cogeneration/ Kirk -Original Message- From: Mike Teresa Sundstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:07 AM To:

RE: [biofuel] Corporate enviros

2002-12-19 Thread harley3
Keith I apologize if I have insult you. Keith, I was not directing any of this venting towards you directly. All my working life I have worked for only big companies. Not by design, but that is just how it worked out. My working history has been in the maintenance area. I have worked

Re: [biofuel] Finding source for SVO

2002-12-19 Thread damiandolan
Hi to all, I am looking for some-one in the states for purchase bulk vegetable oil, for export. Regards, Damian Dolan biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bruce, where are you located? If in the US you might want to get a hold of ADM as they sell both Soy and Corn oil, most likely in bulk.

[biofuel] Re: BD at $1.50/gallon

2002-12-19 Thread Myles Twete
Thor from Arlington, Wa.: If you find yourself down here in Portland, Or., there is some availability of BD100 from used fryer oil at $1.80/gallon. Where? Donaldson's Marina (aka PacMar) on the Oregon side of the Columbia River Directions: South on I-5 into Oregon, exit Marine Dr., East on

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
Depends on where you get it The folks from San Luis Obispo indicated that they were paying $2.85gal from a local distributor. People who are members of the Berkley BD Co-op pay $1, non-members pay $2. I have heard pump prices ranging from ~$2.35 to $2.65. I suppose it depends on

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
Hey Keith, On that note, it would be great to pull together a table to get prices around the US/World for BD. Prices need to be verified by a scanned reciept or picture of the pump though. It would help people to decide if they want to buy or produce themselves based just on pump cost. James

Re: [biofuel] engine coversion

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
hey, a guy Michael at the BD class indicated that he is going to replace his petrol engine in a Ford Ranger w/ a 4cyl diesel from a Lay's potato chip truck. That might work for your Samurai. Sorry, I don't have his email address. James Slayden On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
Hey Keith, On that note, it would be great to pull together a table to get prices around the US/World for BD. Prices need to be verified by a scanned reciept or picture of the pump though. It would help people to decide if they want to buy or produce themselves based just on pump cost. James

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
MM wrote: Mark Matthews is trying to set things straight with the film he's making. It's confused, and confused further by allegations of buddy deals at the top level, so the journalists smell a scandal and ethanol's taking collateral damage. It's not just the journalists, more important

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
NP, just an idea. :) I see your point tho. Adminstration is the biggest time sink there is. On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Hey Keith, On that note, it would be great to pull together a table to get prices around the US/World for BD. Prices need to be verified by a scanned

Re: [biofuel] engine coversion

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
That would be some good links to post. On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, craig reece wrote: There are kits available to stick a VW 1.6 or 1.9 diesel engine in the Samurai. Let me know if you can't find them via Google. Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello i dont know how to convert the motor ,

[biofuel] Re: Building a biodiesel tank

2002-12-19 Thread Glenn
I need to find out what metals are impervious to biodiesel's corrosiveness. Can fittings be sweated with copper or lead, or should they be welded with steel wire, should fitting be stainless steel, brass, copper...etc. Any help is appreciated. G

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread girl mark
The local pump price for World Energy new soy oil -derived biodiesel fuel at Olympian in San Francisco is about $3.35 a gallon or something like that. It just went up from a slightly lower price after the soy subsidies were cut (?or some such reason).Olympian is a cardlock pump- they are a

Re: [biofuel] engine coNversion

2002-12-19 Thread Glenn
Some diesel conversions for the Suzuki Samurai http://www.keltec.com/hardware/suzuki.html http://www.rocky-road.com/diesel.html Do some investigating, its very do-able. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=VW+diesel+Suzuki+Samurai

Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
It would be utterly irresponsible if Australia do not take the important and necessary steps to be energy independent. Scaremongers tactics who use up to 80 years old American arguments, that was already incorrect then, is an insult to the Australian people. Hearing about this kind of tactics,

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
I stand corrected, I think I was mixing up the tier system. And yes you have to be a member of the co-op to get fuel. Selling is a bad term on my part, suggested donation or re-imbursment cost is better terminology. Although I recently saw an article that even non-profits can sell things as

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
In the work I do (wireless Internet) we are finding that Tiered cost structures are also becoming a nightmare to administrate. It might be just better if the Co-op just charges everyone $2 and continue to keep the $25/qrtr $100/yr membership. Considering that Diesel #2 down the street is ~$1.80

[biofuel] (fwd) re: Price of BD

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
I received this private email from someone who is in the industry and apparently is following the price of BD discussion and did some research on the matter. I think others might be interested in their attempts to research this. It isn't clear to me from their private email if they were

[biofuel] Forest Fights

2002-12-19 Thread motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm terribly pressed for time, but thought this may be of interest. A minor correction to Hakan. I live in a National Forest, not a National Park. http://www.reason.com/rb/rb121802.shtml Best, Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list

Re: [biofuel] Re: Building a biodiesel tank

2002-12-19 Thread girl mark
On a homebrewer scale it's not that huge of a deal. On the other hand none the processor equipment I currently play with is more than a year old, though that equipment isn;t showing any signs of degradation in brass ball valves, etc. I've seen much more trouble with plastics leaking at

Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread girl mark
I don't know the name of the place, the 1.86 was Yokayo's price per 1000 gallon a few weeks ago (Last I checked) and the other price is what the Ecology Center truck fleet pays for it in 1000 gallon lots, that price they told me (they also posted it in some press article or another recently)

co-ops was Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread girl mark
At 11:58 AM 12/19/2002 -0800, you wrote: In the work I do (wireless Internet) we are finding that Tiered cost structures are also becoming a nightmare to administrate. It might be just better if the Co-op just charges everyone $2 and continue to keep the $25/qrtr $100/yr membership.

More BS - Re: [biofuel] Forest Fights

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
I'm terribly pressed for time, but thought this may be of interest. A minor correction to Hakan. I live in a National Forest, not a National Park. http://www.reason.com/rb/rb121802.shtml Best, Motie ... by Ronald Bailey, Reason's science correspondent, is the editor of Global Warming and

[biofuel] Fwd: Special Alert -- Don't Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research and Brainstorming Workshop

2002-12-19 Thread Keith Addison
From: National Biodiesel Board [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newsletter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Special Alert -- Don't Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research and Brainstorming Workshop Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:48:03 -0600 Special Alert÷Donât Delay! Register Now for the Biodiesel Research

Re: co-ops was Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
Understood. There is a great sustainable community farm model in Virginia or Vermont that has susbscriptions for people who are want the produce, but don't want to participate in the actual labor. I don't know if they have a tiered system, but it seems to work well for them. The article was in

Re: co-ops was Re: [biofuel] BD at $1.50/gallon?!

2002-12-19 Thread James Slayden
Keith, Looks like some of my email to biofuel@yahoogroups.com is bouncing, although some are getting through. Just wanted to let ya know. James On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, James Slayden wrote: Understood. There is a great sustainable community farm model in Virginia or Vermont that has

[biofuel] [news]: No beer for Christmas in Venezuela

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=586e=1cid=586u=/nm/20021219/wl_nm/venezuela_dc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe

[biofuel] [news]: No beer for Christmas in Venezuela

2002-12-19 Thread murdoch
ooops, meant to post the text as well http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyncid=586e=1cid=586u=/nm/20021219/wl_nm/venezuela_dc World - Reuters Venezuela Court Orders Oil Restart as Strike Bites 1 hour, 7 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Patrick Markey CARACAS

Re: [biofuel] Finding source for SVO

2002-12-19 Thread Craig Pech
How much do you need? Where is it going to? Is soy oil OK? Craig - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Finding source for SVO Hi to all, I am looking for some-one in the states for

Re: [biofuel] Going into biodiesel business

2002-12-19 Thread KDe3198534
Hello Evans, Where are you located ? Kevin D. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your

RE : [biofuel] Forest Fights

2002-12-19 Thread ramjee
At Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:40:02 -, motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motie, may I suggest the following? 1. It would be a nice idea to show some consideration to people (like me) with flaky Internet connections - like whetting the URL, whether the matter has already been