On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:50:25 -0800, you wrote:
James Slayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am all for the price of gas in the US rising to European prices, so then
it will give biofuels a chance.
I'd rather it be a conscious decision rather than the economic wreckage we'd
all experience with
Dear Keith and Prof. Allen,
I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant
(100 l) to produce ethanol based biodiesel. I have read a lot of information
in the archives and the Journey to Forever site about of troubles when
dealing with ethanol and the same old question
I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries
as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml
Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having
the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:48:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
Murilo writes:
The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since
at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter
of
Hello Murilo
Dear Keith and Prof. Allen,
I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant
(100 l) to produce ethanol based biodiesel. I have read a lot of information
in the archives and the Journey to Forever site about of troubles when
dealing with ethanol and the
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300
Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian
Group has just claimed
Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know the point of the calcium carbonate, or the
ammonium chloride, or the hydrochloric acid -- I've
never heard of using any of them in this way. The stated
ratios of NaOH, alcohol, and oil seem about right for
methanol, but I would use twice as
Looks as if the lobbying efforts to have a more prominent position for
pure plant oil will be paid off.
Well done everybody who was involved in pushing this.
Pity the targets ended up voluntary. However this gives a good
foundation for SVO (or PPO) advocates to work from.
Darren Hill
I am looking into different crops and oil costs as well. I did some checking on
Sunflower oil but the numbers were discourageing.
For 23 metric tons of crude Sunflower oil the cost is 960.00 US dollars PER
metric ton. Or 22080.00 US dollars. 23 Metric tons is 48,000 pounds. That
translates
The price of Dinodiesel in Texas right now is 1.70 per gallon.
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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:22 PM
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
That makes 84 cents per
That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like
overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices
at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump
now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper
than the diesel at the pump. The heating
I do. Can you guess?
Keith Addison wrote:
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300
Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel
Biodieselers in a few communities are celebrating March 18th as
international biodiesel awareness day. The Santa Rosa California/Sonoma
County biodiesel community is hosting the following event. Special thanks
to the Colorado biodiesel folk who instigated the whole March 18th idea...
$1.88 here in NJ.
Steve Spence
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From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday,
3.22 / gallon is about what we paid today in 4.3 gallon quantities.
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Thank you for info, if others have prices, please give me them.
I would also like heating oil in US if someone know.
It is very good if I get more prices all over the world, because
it is really difficult to get references and a pattern. It is there,
but I need more data, to see the politics
Hi Steve
We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons.
This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel.
It's got to be cheaper at that quantity.
We've had quite a lot of discussion about it here before - re
subsidies etc, remember? But we never did get to the bottom
Try palm oil or even better kernal oil from palm.
That would be the cheapest oil you can get.
Best of Luck
Richard W Lee
Hong Kong
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From: Steve Spence
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:22:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
And here is a testiment to Ken's process. I spent last saturday morning
with Ken making a batch or methel-ethel-esters and
I thought this topic was already discussed but I could not find it in the
archives. I wanted to know if anyone has any experience with the Jet chip and
biodiesel fuel.
I thought someone had posted that they had no problems with the jetchip and
their biodiesel fuel and that it ran quite
See my other post. It was a mistake. I was talking about a crop
someone alluded to and I remembered the crop incorrectly.
m
I was hoping to find information on a mustard that is capable of
nitrogen fixation in your post - that is what you meant by your
original
phrase was it not?
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:50:25 -0800, you wrote:
James Slayden at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am all for the price of gas in the US rising to European prices, so then
it will give biofuels a chance.
I'd rather it be a conscious decision rather than the economic wreckage we'd
all experience with
Hi Keith,
I have been in touch with Mike for a while now and
he told me that he was working on a new machine and
would let me know when it was finished so I'll get
back to him.
Thanks,
Hi Chris
Mike might be able to help you.
What are you planning, exactly? You're in a 3rd World country,
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:48, Steve Spence wrote:
White mustard has very shallow roots and quickly grows a profusion of large
leaves. It is useful for controlling nematodes. A substance which
repels the
nematodes is released from the leaves as they decompose. The leaves can
either be
sunflowers are 102 gallons / acre, rapeseed (canola) is 127 gallons. a
difference, yes, but not enough to say sunflower stinks, canola is best.
castor beans is even better at 151.
only grows well in tropical and subtropical climates. it's been grown in
England, but only produces beans once
Mustard is not nitrogen fixing. But this is what it can do.
Steve Spence
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From: Darald Bantel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:24, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote:
Legumes are, but castor beans are not true beans and are not nitrogen
fixers. They could also be looking at something like sunflowers and
vetch, intercropped. Hairy vetch is a nitrogen fixer and cover crop,
and has been
diesel doesn't work at -60c ;-)
seriously, if you can get the diesel heated up (big if), then our system
will work. It might be best, at those temperature, to combine the features
of the our greasel system with ed's veg-therm.
Steve Spence
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He was hungry?
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From: yellowjuice2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March
Hi Keith,
Yes, I'm trying to get a larger version going in
Thailand and also want to settup smaller opperations
in the smaller villages here. I've got a couple of
contacts here with some political connections and I
will have to depend on them to get things through.
It's very hard to get through
Hi Keith,
Yes, I'm trying to get a larger version going in
Thailand and also want to settup smaller opperations
in the smaller villages here. I've got a couple of
contacts here with some political connections and I
will have to depend on them to get things through.
It's very hard to get through
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:12:06 -0300
Subject: [biofuels-biz] ethanol biodiesel
Dear Keith and Prof. Allen,
I am still fixing some details to start my project on a small pilot plant
(100 l) to produce ethanol
I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries
as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml
Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having
the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in
Murilo writes:
The tips given by Ken Provost do not help a lot, since
at the end even he says that it is like lottery (matter
of good luck and fervent prayer). I cannot get
reproducibility in my lab tests. Sometimes it works
and sometimes not, as he said. The same recipe!
600 g refined
See also: Bushfood:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20877list=BIOFUEL
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15330
AlterNet:
Uncle Sam's Other War: Biotech vs. the European Union
By Carmelo Ruiz-Marrero, AlterNet
March 9, 2003
The U.S. government is not very happy with the
http://www.yesmagazine.org/iraq/10questions.htm
Beyond Iraq: What kind of America?
10 Questions Americans Are Asking as the US Prepares for War
1. Why go to war with Iraq now?
2. Is Saddam Hussein a threat to the US or other countries?
3. Will war with Iraq make us safer?
4. What is the new
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=5869
Cheney is Still Paid by Pentagon Contractor
Vice President Gets $1 Million From Firm With Iraq Oil Deal
By Robert Bryce in Austin, Texas and Julian Borger in Washington
The Guardian
March 12, 2003
Halliburton, the Texas company which has
Detailed Analysis of October 7 Speech by Bush on Iraq
http://www.accuracy.org/bush/
Responses to Bush's 2003 State of the Union Address
http://www.accuracy.org/2003/
Institute for Public Accuracy - IPA
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Biofuels list
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15297
Nukespeak Redux
By Rory O'Connor, AlterNet
March 4, 2003
When the Nuclear Regulatory Commission ruled recently that the threat
of terrorism cannot be considered when licensing reactors because the
risk is too speculative, and that discussing
http://www.yesmagazine.org/21American/lovins.htm
what is real security?
by Amory B. Lovins and L. Hunter Lovins
America's security faces many serious threats. Strategic planners,
however, have tended to focus almost exclusively on the military
threat. They have largely ignored equally grave
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2818615.stm
BBC NEWS
Wednesday, 5 March, 2003
UN warns of future water crisis
The world's water crisis is so severe it could take almost 30 years
to eradicate hunger, the United Nations says.
A world short of water cannot grow enough food for all
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 05:53, Steve Spence wrote:
diesel doesn't work at -60c ;-)
seriously, if you can get the diesel heated up (big if), then our system
will work. It might be best, at those temperature, to combine the features
of the our greasel system with ed's veg-therm.
Steve
What's sad is that we, as Americans, don't require and/or insist on a
standard of morality, ethics and character in our leaders.
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203.324.4371
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300
Just to give new details about the ethanol biodiesel problem... A Brazilian
Group has just claimed
Excellent article...thanks,
Jess
PS See Keith, we are reading your stuff...)
---
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203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/
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From:
Hey Ken,
Have you done any testing with this? Or even heard of it?
James Slayden
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date:
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 10:34 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300
Just to give new details about the ethanol
Excellent article...thanks,
Jess
PS See Keith, we are reading your stuff...)
Heh! My faith restored. Did you read the Bushfood piece too Jess? I
thought that was really interesting.
Anyway, the archives reads it all, LOL!
Thanks Jess.
regards
Keith
On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 10:34 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
From: Murilo D. M. Innocentini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Subject: new information on ethanol biodiesel process
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0300
Just to give new details about the ethanol
And here is a testiment to Ken's process. I spent last saturday morning
with Ken making a batch or methel-ethel-esters and it went just fine. The
process is very low tech and although there are some specifics; no water
in the oil or eth/meth, more KOH, titrated oil below 1ml, glyc remix. The
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020916-28573872.htm
Iraqi scientist says materials for nuclear bombs in hand
By Paul Martin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
LONDON ÷ Iraq is already using copies of pirated German equipment to
process nuclear material for an atomic weapons program, according to a
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-taheri022603.asp
February 26, 2003, 10:00 a.m.
Voice of Iraqis
Why donât antiwar types want to hear them?
By Amir Taheri
ould I have the microphone for one minute to tell the people about my life?
asked the Iraqi
has anyone here ever used a Grundfos or Taco circulating pump (trickle pump
used in domestic hot water applications) to run a processor? I'm doing
two-stage acid-base with it so agitation speed isn't crucial. I'm mostly
interested in any experiences of leaks or lack thereof.
mark
Biofuel at
If you can get the diesel started, then vegetable oil works. the diesel gets
the vehicle hot, and therefore the vegetable oil. that's the only key. the
vegetable oil has to be hot.
our issues were once you got the vehicle started, as soon as you got on the
road, the tank would gel up. this was
Looks as if the lobbying efforts to have a more prominent position for
pure plant oil will be paid off.
Well done everybody who was involved in pushing this.
Pity the targets ended up voluntary. However this gives a good
foundation for SVO (or PPO) advocates to work from.
Darren Hill
Has anybody read the report from Perrti Hari of the University of Helsinki,
Finland? I found this article about smog from plant life. Does anybody
know more of the report?
Harley
http://www.canoe.ca/LondonNews/lf.lf-03-13-0053.html
Thursday, March 13, 2003
Pine forests may pollute more than
Biodieselers in a few communities are celebrating March 18th as
international biodiesel awareness day. The Santa Rosa California/Sonoma
County biodiesel community is hosting the following event. Special thanks
to the Colorado biodiesel folk who instigated the whole March 18th idea...
sorry I didn't reply to this earlier. Just found it. That's a bit much for
an old mb, although the low miles are enticing. I never buy cars from
friends. can cause hard feelings later. mb's are expensive as all get out
once stuff starts to happen.
Steve Spence
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Thank you for info, if others have prices, please give me them.
I would also like heating oil in US if someone know.
It is very good if I get more prices all over the world, because
it is really difficult to get references and a pattern. It is there,
but I need more data, to see the politics
Hi Steve
We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons.
This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel.
It's got to be cheaper at that quantity.
We've had quite a lot of discussion about it here before - re
subsidies etc, remember? But we never did get to the bottom
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:21:57 +0100
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like
overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices
folks -
a couple of things have together at once to dramatically improve my results.
first, effectively dewatering the oil. bringing to 60deg C, holdig for 30 mins
and letting cool over night. then reheating to 140 for processing to allow for
cooling with methanol introduction and process
First you would have to have these fine qualities in the bulk of the people
so that leaders can come forward with them in place from having been taught
them as they grew up and went through school. This sadly does not seem to
be the case today.
Regards,
Vern
What's sad is that we, as
It just blows me away .. how much focus ... and focus ... and focus ... is
put on how bad Saddam is.Or lookey what sneaky thing Iraq is doing.
Notice that each sentence ends with and that's why we need this WAR.
And that's why we need this WAR.I SAID AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED
THIS WAR!!
Bush Sr. Warning Over Unilateral Action
Roland Watson
The Times UK
Monday 10 March 2003
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-605441,00.html
The first President Bush has told his son that hopes of peace in the
Middle East would be ruined if a war with Iraq were not backed by
Hello Jack and others - 1 check the door seal does it fully make contact
the door hinges are adjustable 2 free air flow restriction will cause unit
cycle times to be as high as you report. 3 how frequently are you letting
the cold escape
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