RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson --- Tim Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Peggy, > > I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if > you will). I have an Aunt who holds three > Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in > the daily task without assistance. Some of the > smartest men and women I know I meet at the > farmers market, the coop or feed store would no > doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value > their opinion no less than I do the college > professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics > with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my > meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and > or experience of either. My Grandfather is a > Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with > only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather > ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only > a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of > the professors at UGA as well as the news media > from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. > He was also very involved in politics (head of the > polling stations in our county). Both men are and > were given great honor and respect from very > strong willed wives who did not complete high > school. Non of them would perform very well on an > IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than > that which is measurable from a test. > All people should have the same level of respect > regardless of some test score. But it just isn't > so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in > my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get > superior looks from them. But when strangers see > me walking from the plane I just landed at their > local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if > worthy of being in their company. Am I not the > same man? > In politics it's not about respecting people and > accepting them for who they are but rather about > gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to > the various groups in hopes of winning. But the > respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons > they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better > than a poor starving person in any country, and > neither is the wealthiest person on the face of > this earth any better than me. Our circumstances > are only different. And when our governments and > social groups determine to make life better for > all mankind and not just for "their" mankind then > we can really begin to see change. > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
Actually, different states have different laws governing the distillation of ethanol for personal consumption and its usually limited in the range of 10s of gallons per year. further more, some states outlaw stills for any reason making any sort of ethanol production problematic. I have the resources to play around with making some ethanol fuel for myself and would like to know the taxing issues. And while I have little issues in not paying highway taxes for homemade fuel (I don't use any yet) its still good to know. -dave >Unlike Biodiesel, ethanol wouldn't produce any distinctive smell, so why >even worry about it ? Isn't the producion of alcohol for personal use >untaxed, like when you make your own wine or beer ? >So, you make your own vodka :) >And as for the BD, no one is looking out for french fry or egg roll smells >either, they are looking for the tell tale smell of home heating oil. All >they will get by following me is hungry :) :) ! >Luc >- Original Message - ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Yes, lost a kidney to cancer and had one of those near death experiences as well. Much of what I used to see in the world as serious I now see as adolescent and self indulgent. Wish I could put it into words like Keith does. Anyway, using fabric for the machine. Have a novel way, a simple way, of placing the material in and out of the airstream. Have to get paperwork settled before I can tell all but the whole idea is about inexpensive and low low tech. You can get very high tech about the fabric but that is a life/cost issue. All the best Kirk --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirk, I'd didn't realize you've been ill. > Glad to hear things are getting better. > I only see your messages in the archive > or if certain people reply to yours like > Hakan did. > > I've misplaced the details regarding your project. > It must have been a archive message I read and > forgot to copy, darn it. > > Are you craving blades or using sailcloth? > How many are you using? > > I'd read that 3 blades is a nice compromise > between balance and high rpm electrical generation. > > > I hadn't noticed Mr Piggott using a hoop around the > tips of his blades in the past maybe that's changed > to reduce noise or dampen vibration or increased > performance or structural safety integrity. > > You take care of yourself, you hear? > > > > Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is > weak. > > Each day a bit better though. Actually have some > colour > > in my face now. > > > > Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. > As > > for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I > am > > under the impression 3 blades is usually the best > > choice. > > > > Mine is a drag windmill. Less efficient but the > bottom > > line is dollars/watt and for water pumping and the > > like it has peak torque at stall. > > > > Kirk > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Diesel Motorcycle
Anyone know of a diesel motorcycle? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
even worry about it ? Isn't the producion of alcohol for personal use untaxed, like when you make your own wine or beer ? So, you make your own vodka :) And as for the BD, no one is looking out for french fry or egg roll smells either, they are looking for the tell tale smell of home heating oil. All they will get by following me is hungry :) :) ! Luc - Original Message - From: "DHAJOGLO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes I know when blending using home grown biodiesel we are responsible for the road taxes. Is ethanol taxed the same when blending with gasoline? I looked through http://www.ethanol-gec.org but the legislation section seems to only address some state legislation. Anyone with some better links? Thanks! -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio Hi Aleks! "Damn" you say, LOL! We said "Damn" for just the opposite reason, and I imagine Luc said something similar. Yup! Gunged right up. Sediment filter and fuel lines STILL in the process of being changed. (waiting for those nice top of the line parts from "Old Europe") GW, it will be this week. The techie that took the tank apart said it was all clumped up around the filter and that was causing the problem. Brilliant guy, I TOLD him that was the problem 10 days before he discovered it, but he wasn't buying the biodiesel thing I think. Our Town-Ace's tank had a lot of rust in it, though not eaten right through (like both our Land Rovers' tanks were). Not caused by biodiesel though. I think what happened is that the car stood idle for quite a while before it was sold, and the diesel fuel they sell here (and most other places?) is not exactly free of water - let them stand, and they rust. Heard of another such case not long ago with a Mercedes in the US. Anyway, biodiesel, being the wonderful stuff that it is, loosens the rust, which then clogged up the sediment filter, which is INSIDE the tank - Yup! and the fuel line connects to that. you have to take the whole tank out to get at the filter. It was thoroughly gunged up with rust. This we discovered after the Town-Ace more or less stopped going, obvious case of fuel starvation. We threw away the sediment filter and cleaned the tank out, it was just surface stuff, though there was quite a lot of it, but no need for any further treatment. Then we replaced the sediment filter with one from a Kubota tractor, fitted outside the tank, thankyou, plus an extra 10 micron filter downstream of that, no more problem. This after 18 months of running on B100. No problems with any of the leads or plastic, all in good order - I agree, if properly made, biodiesel won't do them any harm. For the record, it's also 14 years old, a 1990 Toyota Town-Ace 4x4 van 1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel. We're thinking on similar lines Aleks. We've got an Elsbett system, Does that use WVO in a second tank? And will it hold BD? we'll be fitting it in a week or two, very nice too. I think this is the second one in Japan. Our friend Wada-san has the first, on his Golf. He came to visit us after he installed it, running on SVO instead of biodiesel. Well, WVO actually, from his office canteen. They'd told him it was good oil. He gave me a sample, but it didn't look too good to me. I tested it. It titrated at 7.5 ml, yuk! Poor Wada-san was deeply shocked. I don't think he eats at the office canteen anymore. The Greek restaurant across the street's titrated to 10gr/liter real slop. Poor Wada-san, for usre :) Glad he got some good stuff from you though. I gave him a supply of 1 ml titration WVO, properly filtered, and a titration lesson, plus some biodiesel to help dilute the horrible stuff in his tank (which doesn't have a drain). Regards Keith Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ethanol Taxes
I know when blending using home grown biodiesel we are responsible for the road taxes. Is ethanol taxed the same when blending with gasoline? I looked through http://www.ethanol-gec.org but the legislation section seems to only address some state legislation. Anyone with some better links? Thanks! -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Very Cold Weather Biodiesel
While pondering the cold weather use of biodiesel I was struck by a curious thought. Could it not be possible to fit a WVO/SVO second tank system in a car but instead of running WVO in it for the winter to fill the second tank with biodiesel which would be heated with the circulating heat and fill the tank with dino loaded with aditives ? Of course it is not the best solution as it still uses dino, but it would be for three months at most and only in the coldest of winter climates where additives like Wintron XC30 isn't sufficient.(-20 to -30C / 4 to 22 below F) Even treated dino has some trouble at these temps, so any thoughts? Only that as you say treated dino can also have trouble at those temps. There are quite a lot of things you can do, short of an Espar or Webasto, and the price tag on them, but the price tag on a two-tank SVO system isn't exactly negligible either and it would only provide part of a solution. You've got a garage at home, I think it has a power supply. What about the other end, at work? Any chance of a power supply there? Then you could use sump heaters and tank heating pads and so on, cheaper. You can get those for 12V too, if you're confident in your battery. I know you've seen this page, but still: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html Biodiesel in winter regards Keith Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole
Keith, Good for isolated rural applications, but not feasible for contribution to switch from fossil to renewable based energy. This apart from the security and quality issues around Hornet turbines. Tvo is himself something of an isolated rural application. :-) What are the security and quality issues of Hornet turbines, Hakan? Thanks Keith Hakan At 07:33 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:23:51 -0800 From: Tvoivozhd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/Hornet.html (very low cost 24, 48 volt DC generators---mini windfarm is cheaper than solar panels and its energy output takes place both in daylight hours and at night if wind is sufficient---six-blade wind turbine starts generating at 4.3 mph. Store output as hydrogen instead of in batteries---need no controller, a hydrogen fuel cell would be useful to convert hydrogen energy to DC electricity, with inverter for small AC requirements.) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/windmap.html (U.S. average windspeed area map) In Roanoke area, average windspeed is 5.6 to 12/5 mph, though we do get up to 70 mph winds occasionally at the juncture of an east-west valley ane a southwest-northwest valley. http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/ohms_law/ohmslawcalculator.html Ohms Law Calculator) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/buck.html (for the relative added cost, a Buck Converter is a mandatory addition to a wind turbine or photovoltaic panel) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/3HORNETONPOLE.gif (stack up to three wind turbines on one pole---and mount the pole in a pulpit so it can be easily swung down and put up again without ladders or cranes---make it strong, the wind stress from three wind turbines is very high) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
"Damn" you say, LOL! We said "Damn" for just the opposite reason, and I imagine Luc said something similar. Our Town-Ace's tank had a lot of rust in it, though not eaten right through (like both our Land Rovers' tanks were). Not caused by biodiesel though. I think what happened is that the car stood idle for quite a while before it was sold, and the diesel fuel they sell here (and most other places?) is not exactly free of water - let them stand, and they rust. Heard of another such case not long ago with a Mercedes in the US. Anyway, biodiesel, being the wonderful stuff that it is, loosens the rust, which then clogged up the sediment filter, which is INSIDE the tank - you have to take the whole tank out to get at the filter. It was thoroughly gunged up with rust. This we discovered after the Town-Ace more or less stopped going, obvious case of fuel starvation. We threw away the sediment filter and cleaned the tank out, it was just surface stuff, though there was quite a lot of it, but no need for any further treatment. Then we replaced the sediment filter with one from a Kubota tractor, fitted outside the tank, thankyou, plus an extra 10 micron filter downstream of that, no more problem. This after 18 months of running on B100. No problems with any of the leads or plastic, all in good order - I agree, if properly made, biodiesel won't do them any harm. For the record, it's also 14 years old, a 1990 Toyota Town-Ace 4x4 van 1.9-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel. We're thinking on similar lines Aleks. We've got an Elsbett system, we'll be fitting it in a week or two, very nice too. I think this is the second one in Japan. Our friend Wada-san has the first, on his Golf. He came to visit us after he installed it, running on SVO instead of biodiesel. Well, WVO actually, from his office canteen. They'd told him it was good oil. He gave me a sample, but it didn't look too good to me. I tested it. It titrated at 7.5 ml, yuk! Poor Wada-san was deeply shocked. I don't think he eats at the office canteen anymore. I gave him a supply of 1 ml titration WVO, properly filtered, and a titration lesson, plus some biodiesel to help dilute the horrible stuff in his tank (which doesn't have a drain). Regards Keith Oh, and it was about 5.200 litres of bio running through (150 batches in 35 litre reactor) I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain woodchip compost pile space heater?
Excellent, Frantz, thanks! I'll check it all out and add those links
to the article on Jean Pain in our library (hardly any sort of
"bible", but thanks for saying so!).
I didn't get much further than the un-updated English website.
Thanks again
regards
Keith
Keith Addison a écrit :
Greetings Rob
Certainly some of the biofuel lurkers and respondents know of this
famous French agroforestry guru, Jean Pain. One of his interesting
projects was to use the chips from the slash and thinnings of the
forests for space heating. Decomposing chips, piled on exterior
masonry walls heated the thermal mass which then could radiate heat
towards the occupants. The part I'm missing here is the book which
has the image of the PVC loop, buried in the chips pile, which
circulates warmed water to the interior radiators. With this
enhancement, a little interior temp increase for a short period
wouldn't cool the pile significantly, yet could be programmed to
say, heat the kitchen and bath before breakfast. Anyone know the
Title of this texts for inter library loans?
Is there a book? Maybe there's one in French.
There is :
In English :
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Pain, Ida and Jean
The Methods of Jean Pain
Self published 1980, minor bumping, edgewear, in english, 88pp photos
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For original edition in French (or german version):
references have a look on
[7]http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2003-September/0187
70.html
and
[8]http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/ilslontfait/ilof-jean-pain-broussaille
.php
You can see the cover of the french eighth edition at
[9]http://www.jean-pain.com/index1.htm . The website has not been
updated since 1999. English version still under construction...)
but out of print in France, may be for sale in Belgium (informations :
Comité Jean Pain asbl, Hof ter Winkelen, B-1840 LONDERZEEL, Belgique)
You also have a lot of litterature about biomass everywhere, relating
parts of the "jean pain method" (i.e.
[10]http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/fichestechniques/ft-jean-pain-broussa
illes.php)
or of course the Keith 'bible ;-)
Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold
[11]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
frantz
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7.
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8. http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/ilslontfait/ilof-jean-pain-broussaille.php
9. http://www.jean-pain.com/index1.htm
10.
http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/fichestechniques/ft-jean-pain-broussaille
s.php
11. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
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Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
The abstract, links and references of William Clark's original article were posted here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34945/ Information Archive at NNYTech Revisited - The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth by William Clark Original Essay January 2003 -Revised March 2003 -Post-war Commentary January 2004 Best Keith This is what I have been saying all along was the "tipping point" that got us into the mess. And why the British are in with us. So given we have MAYBE a year to get prepared, I am going to shift into higher gear on the making of BioFuel at my house. As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html www.globalresearch.ca Centre for Research on Globalisation Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target: The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker by William Clark www.globalresearch.ca 27 October 2004 The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq's oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO
great, a steady 5gr/liter consistantly and makes great fuel. My problem is in the new year I forsee others wanting to "try" some too :) and so I will be brewing for more than just myself and that will require a second supplier. I have a couple other potential places lined up, just thought I'd ask though. Thanks. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO Yes it all goes into the grease vat outside and where I worked at the had a contract with Griffin Industries to pick it up. And I "heard" they were from "New Jersey" They are building a BioDiesel plant here in central Texas to take all the grease and make BioDiesel. But haven't seen it nor know anything about it. I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to get any grease from a McDonalds, but small mom and pop Chinese places are my source now mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO While on the subject of McD. Do they mix the french fry oil with the talow fat from the burgers when they dispose of it? I am hoping for a second supplier but don't want a bunch of bacon greese and burger fat in the mix. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening the store. One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round stainless tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the bottom. The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, you open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and settle through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer vat. The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house. mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO
Yes it all goes into the grease vat outside and where I worked at the had a contract with Griffin Industries to pick it up. And I "heard" they were from "New Jersey" They are building a BioDiesel plant here in central Texas to take all the grease and make BioDiesel. But haven't seen it nor know anything about it. I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to get any grease from a McDonalds, but small mom and pop Chinese places are my source now mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO While on the subject of McD. Do they mix the french fry oil with the talow fat from the burgers when they dispose of it? I am hoping for a second supplier but don't want a bunch of bacon greese and burger fat in the mix. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening the store. One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round stainless tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the bottom. The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, you open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and settle through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer vat. The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house. mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
John, I do not think that I misunderstood you, maybe that is why I made a typo and wrote NINE (9) instead of NINETY (90), which is the real number. I think that you made a good remark, with black humor and that it does not reflect anything else than the same feelings that I have. I was tired and did not get my math right, maybe the reality seemed so unreal for me. It is many times that I react on the illusion that one American life would be worth more than one Iraqi life. Following the news, it is sometimes like this would not be the case and this is a part of our daily doses of propaganda. Your black humor was appreciated and made me think about this, I just had to point out the enormous realities and thought that what you said was worth elaborating on. Hakan . At 02:15 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: Hakan, I hope that the facetious tone had come through in my incredulous remarks and that you don't think I was serious. I understand it is dark humor but I was more intending to poke fun at the idiots who put faith in this man than in the actual situation in Iraq. I love my country which is why I fought the good fight to prevent four more years of this man. He is the worst thing for America in my lifetime. John Hakan Falk wrote: John, Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. It is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE Iraqi's who is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones who die from related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy Iraq is now and since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger. I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some fallen comrades. Could not avoid to think about the family's and friends to the innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of the occupation. In this is not included all the victims who not die, but will be decapitated for the rest of their life. All of it is much more personal and difficult, than we can imagine, when looking at it from a safe distance and captured by Television, which never can give us the real notion of what actually is happening. The sorrows must be overwhelming for the directly involved parties on both sides. It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the responsibility for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and Iraqi, and that must be very difficult. I guess that God already mentioned it and gave his forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions. Hakan At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?). John Legal Eagle wrote: Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class. He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women tak
Re: [Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
Mel, A good back grounder and with this, you can understand why UN, IAEA, EU and Russia now have negotiated a solution and removed the possibility use nuclear proliferation as pretext for an attack on Iran. They have now effectively removed this issue from the front burner. with China's development contracts in Saudi Arabia, together with the nuclear agreement, OPEC is performing good hedging politics and limit future aggressions in the area. This together with the failures of US to get substantial oil production from Iraq, will corner US and its financial possibilities to wage further wars in the area, without bring them to the brink of a third world war, which is not winnable. US is now facing a much larger threat in North Korea and demands on bilateral negotiations from all parties. This is not in US interests, since it is no oil gains in this, but it will refocus US activities to this part of the world. They cannot neglect this, because the threat is very real. At the same time, the depletion issues becomes very real and faster than we thought, mainly because China and others are using their dollar funds to buy the black gold. This also limits US resources for further actions and is one of the reasons why Bush is pursuing the purchases to the US oil emergency reserves, to whatever price he can get oil. Iraq will not turn out as US hoped for, the time line and expectations of winning the heart and minds of the Iraqi people was not there. It is very naive to belive that US could invade Iraq as a liberator, when they killed so many of its population. Now US is desperately scrambling for a new Saddam Hussein situation, where Iraqi's will suppress and control Iraqi's. It is very questionable if they have a chance to do this, with or without election. US is effectively bogged down in Iraq and will have large difficulties to take on an other war situation, without clearly show the ugly head. US population will not support such moves and Bush start to get stuck in the Iraqi mud. Bush is the most expensive president that US ever had and he must continue to be that, because the ball is rolling and he lost the control. It is now time to ask for "God help America" instead of only give his blessings. Hakan At 03:35 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: This is what I have been saying all along was the "tipping point" that got us into the mess. And why the British are in with us. So given we have MAYBE a year to get prepared, I am going to shift into higher gear on the making of BioFuel at my house. As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html www.globalresearch.ca Centre for Research on Globalisation Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target: The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker by William Clark www.globalresearch.ca 27 October 2004 The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq's oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse. In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." - James Madison, Political Observations, 1795 Madison's words of wisdom should be carefully considered by the American people and world community. The rapidly deteriorating situation on the ground in Iraq portends an even direr situation for American soldiers and the People of the world community - should the Bush administration pursue their strategy regarding Iran. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran's nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian "petroeu
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO
fat from the burgers when they dispose of it? I am hoping for a second supplier but don't want a bunch of bacon greese and burger fat in the mix. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening the store. One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round stainless tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the bottom. The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, you open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and settle through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer vat. The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house. mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic
There's a company in Japan that has been doing this for some years, a patented process, result of a 10-year high-tech research program. I'm not sure if the technology is the same as what you're working on, but the result seems to be. They market the technology and the full set-up. Best wishes Keith I am working on a brand new proprietary process that will permanently remove all of our waste plastic problems forever. This new process cracks the plastic through gentle infra red heating and once the plastic has hit its melting point, the fuels that it was originally made of, break down and seperate out. The process creates 0 (zero) emmissions as it is a 100 % airless system. The unit has a 1.5 megawatt generator attatched to it and uses the residual flare gas and some LPG that is created to run the generator that in turn powers the entire system. The process crushes and chips the plastic, melts the oil, seperates the oils through a refractionization process, and finally stores the oils out. I can have two choices. I can use the multifuel generator and run 900 kilowatts of electricity to the grid 24/7 or I can not run the generator (only off of the flare gas and LPG to run the system) and the remaining fuel can be sold to the market. Not only will it accept and crack all types of plastics(I'll include a list of plastic below for those of you that are interested), but it will also accept any type of oil from vegetable oil to WVO, automotive oil(any hydrocarbon based oil) Soon we will be able to crack car tires!! Each car tire will create approximately 2.5 gallons of diesel fuel. We all know the huge problem that we have with waste plastic and waste automotive oil and car tires.. I have the solution and will be building a small facility to prove the unit within the next 6 months. This fuel could be mixed with biodiesel and our country could soon be 100 % self sufficient with our diesel fuel requirements. Take a look at the oils and types of plastic that we can crack. Remember 0 emissions and millions of tonnes of plastic removed from landfill sites! Plastics that can be cracked: #1 through 7 plastics polyethylenetelephthalate,polybutylene terethanalate,polyphenylene sulfide,polyphenylene oxide, acrylonitrle-butadiene-styrene,polycarbonate,ployoxymethylene, polymethyl-methacrylate,synthetic rubber,polyethylene,polyproylene polystyrene, general purpose polystyrene, expanded polystyrene, cross-linking polyethylene, nylon 66, nylon 6,polyamide, polyvinyl chloride (PVC) Waste oils that can be cracked: Waste lubricating oils engine lubricating oils industrial lubricating oils electrical usage oils heat treatment oils residue oils from refineries shipping fuel oil waste ashphalt and associatd oils any and all hydrocarbon based oils Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Office (905)473-5646 Cellular (705)794-1264 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He Speaks to God
The email received was from one just such a deluded person, which obviously knows NOTHING about Scripture, and that the author, Mr.Neff, was quick to point that out, along with a realistic position embraced by the vast majority of Christians not affiliated with the Talmudized American version. The opening is shocking, to say the least, but does clearly demonstrate the delusions that the so-called Christian-Zionists are under. The fortunate part of this article is that it also clearly disassociates, as it should, those who actually do know Scripture and have been greatly vexed by the way these people have behaved from what the Bible and Jesus actually taught. Ergo, they are what we have known them to be, hypocrites of the worst kind. It is just comfortiing to see that there are others who also think that way. Their delusions border on the demonic, not the Godly, but being willingly blind to the facts and to what the Bible says, makes of them a very dangerous and very powerful entity. Luc - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] He Speaks to God Luc, This is a horror picture of the current US presidency and the American Christian society. Unfortunately it might be very close to the truth. It is more religious fanatics than you find in any Muslim country and a very unhealthy belief in the superior super human. The world have not seen anything like it since the 1930's. ILK! Hakan At 02:28 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: This about sums it all up in a nice,precise, and complete nutshell. Beware:Christian content. http://www.rense.com/general59/godse.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
a 100 micron one and then through a straight 10 micron truck fuel filter. I use the truck filter as my BD filter now. I have it hooked up after a home heating oil furnace filter so that it gets done twice. But then I am filtering finished Biodiesel and not WVO, but if the WVO is heated sufficiently it should work. Worth a try anyway. Luc - Original Message - From: "Andreas W Ohnsorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO Luc, I have already tried this implementation of filtering - with the same result that Dave experienced: Clogging after only a few liters of WVO. Reason for this was not the big dirt clods - this can pile up pretty high before it blocks the filter - it is the small particles that cut off the filtering. Sometimes these particles build a slime upon the felt / paper in a way that even liquids with a low viscosity do not get through. I am currently using tea filters that I can wash in a dish washer afterwards for re-use when they are clogged but I need to exchange/wash them after 10 liters max. Regards Andreas Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. "Legal Eagle" Sent by: biofuel-bounces 08.11.2004 12:12 Please respond to biofuel To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO Have a look at Dale Scoggins set up. Scroll down the page to his filters. He is filtering WVO straight into the reactor. http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html Luc - Original Message - From: "Andreas W Ohnsorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO Dave, I have made the same experience with filtering WVO - it seems that very small organic particles clog the filter. My way around this is to warm the WVO up to about 60 degrees Celsius, let the solid particles settle for about 4 - 6 hours and then suck the oil from the surface with a hose into the filter. This works more or less - if anyone has another (better) way to filter it - I am interested to get to know, too! Andreas Ohnsorge Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. "DAVE C." Sent by: biofuel-bounces 08.11.2004 00:38 Please respond to biofuel To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:[Biofuel] filtering WVO I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ww
RE: [Biofuel] Filtering WVO
When I was in high school I worked at McDonalds on the morning shift opening the store. One of my jobs was to filter the French fry oil. We used a big round stainless tank on wheels that had a pump and some paper filters in the bottom. The procedure was to light the fryers and once the oil was not congealed, you open a valve at the bottom that let the oil flow in to the tank and settle through the filter paper and then it was pumped back into the fryer vat. The filter paper came from a local rest. Supply house. mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He Speaks to God
Luc, This is a horror picture of the current US presidency and the American Christian society. Unfortunately it might be very close to the truth. It is more religious fanatics than you find in any Muslim country and a very unhealthy belief in the superior super human. The world have not seen anything like it since the 1930's. ILK! Hakan At 02:28 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: This about sums it all up in a nice,precise, and complete nutshell. Beware:Christian content. http://www.rense.com/general59/godse.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
I hope that the facetious tone had come through in my incredulous remarks and that you don't think I was serious. I understand it is dark humor but I was more intending to poke fun at the idiots who put faith in this man than in the actual situation in Iraq. I love my country which is why I fought the good fight to prevent four more years of this man. He is the worst thing for America in my lifetime. John Hakan Falk wrote: John, Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. It is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE Iraqi's who is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones who die from related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy Iraq is now and since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger. I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some fallen comrades. Could not avoid to think about the family's and friends to the innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of the occupation. In this is not included all the victims who not die, but will be decapitated for the rest of their life. All of it is much more personal and difficult, than we can imagine, when looking at it from a safe distance and captured by Television, which never can give us the real notion of what actually is happening. The sorrows must be overwhelming for the directly involved parties on both sides. It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the responsibility for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and Iraqi, and that must be very difficult. I guess that God already mentioned it and gave his forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions. Hakan At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?). John Legal Eagle wrote: Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class. He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there som
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
Luc, I have already tried this implementation of filtering - with the same result that Dave experienced: Clogging after only a few liters of WVO. Reason for this was not the big dirt clods - this can pile up pretty high before it blocks the filter - it is the small particles that cut off the filtering. Sometimes these particles build a slime upon the felt / paper in a way that even liquids with a low viscosity do not get through. I am currently using tea filters that I can wash in a dish washer afterwards for re-use when they are clogged but I need to exchange/wash them after 10 liters max. Regards Andreas Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. "Legal Eagle" Sent by: biofuel-bounces 08.11.2004 12:12 Please respond to biofuel To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO Have a look at Dale Scoggins set up. Scroll down the page to his filters. He is filtering WVO straight into the reactor. http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html Luc - Original Message - From: "Andreas W Ohnsorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO > Dave, > > I have made the same experience with filtering WVO - it seems that very > small organic particles clog the filter. My way around this is to warm the > WVO up to about 60 degrees Celsius, let the solid particles settle for > about 4 - 6 hours and then suck the oil from the surface with a hose into > the filter. This works more or less - if anyone has another (better) way > to filter it - I am interested to get to know, too! > > > > Andreas Ohnsorge > > > Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 > 65189 Wiesbaden > Germany > Phone: +49.611.142.22608 > Fax: +49.611.142.980028 > Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 > e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Internet: > > Experience Results. Experience CSC. > > > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please > delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in > delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to > bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit > written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of > e-mail for such purpose. > > > > > > > "DAVE C." @MN.RR.COM> > Sent by: biofuel-bounces > 08.11.2004 00:38 > Please respond to biofuel > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >cc: >Subject:[Biofuel] filtering WVO > > > I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler > which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I > prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. > I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but > they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel arc
Re: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic
more about it. Where are you planning on building your plant? - Original Message - From: "Todd Wootton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: [Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic I am working on a brand new proprietary process that will permanently remove all of our waste plastic problems forever. This new process cracks the plastic through gentle infra red heating and once the plastic has hit its melting point, the fuels that it was originally made of, break down and seperate out. The process creates 0 (zero) emmissions as it is a 100 % airless system. The unit has a 1.5 megawatt generator attatched to it and uses the residual flare gas and some LPG that is created to run the generator that in turn powers the entire system. The process crushes and chips the plastic, melts the oil, seperates the oils through a refractionization process, and finally stores the oils out. I can have two choices. I can use the multifuel generator and run 900 kilowatts of electricity to the grid 24/7 or I can not run the generator (only off of the flare gas and LPG to run the system) and the remaining fuel can be sold to the market. Not only will it accept and crack all types of plastics(I'll include a list of plastic below for those of you that are interested), but it will also accept any type of oil from vegetable oil to WVO, automotive oil(any hydrocarbon based oil) Soon we will be able to crack car tires!! Each car tire will create approximately 2.5 gallons of diesel fuel. We all know the huge problem that we have with waste plastic and waste automotive oil and car tires.. I have the solution and will be building a small facility to prove the unit within the next 6 months. This fuel could be mixed with biodiesel and our country could soon be 100 % self sufficient with our diesel fuel requirements. Take a look at the oils and types of plastic that we can crack. Remember 0 emissions and millions of tonnes of plastic removed from landfill sites! Plastics that can be cracked: #1 through 7 plastics polyethylenetelephthalate,polybutylene terethanalate,polyphenylene sulfide,polyphenylene oxide, acrylonitrle-butadiene-styrene,polycarbonate,ployoxymethylene, polymethyl-methacrylate,synthetic rubber,polyethylene,polyproylene polystyrene, general purpose polystyrene, expanded polystyrene, cross-linking polyethylene, nylon 66, nylon 6,polyamide, polyvinyl chloride (PVC) Waste oils that can be cracked: Waste lubricating oils engine lubricating oils industrial lubricating oils electrical usage oils heat treatment oils residue oils from refineries shipping fuel oil waste ashphalt and associatd oils any and all hydrocarbon based oils Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Office (905)473-5646 Cellular (705)794-1264 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Filtering WVO
Thanks Jonathan, Good link. Now I am going to see about getting them locally :) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The world is about to get crazier
This is what I have been saying all along was the "tipping point" that got us into the mess. And why the British are in with us. So given we have MAYBE a year to get prepared, I am going to shift into higher gear on the making of BioFuel at my house. As well as trying to get some land with more dirt for food production and permaculture http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html www.globalresearch.ca Centre for Research on Globalisation Centre de recherche sur la mondialisation The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target: The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker by William Clark www.globalresearch.ca 27 October 2004 The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq's oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse. In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." - James Madison, Political Observations, 1795 Madison's words of wisdom should be carefully considered by the American people and world community. The rapidly deteriorating situation on the ground in Iraq portends an even direr situation for American soldiers and the People of the world community - should the Bush administration pursue their strategy regarding Iran. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran's nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian "petroeuro system" for oil trade. Similar to the Iraq war, upcoming operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of the `petrodollar recycling' and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam's long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintaining the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004 statements by former administration insiders revealed that the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein. Indeed, the neoconservative strategy of installing a pro-U.S. government in Baghdad along with multiple U.S. military bases was partly designed to thwart further momentum within OPEC towards a "petroeuro." However, subsequent events show this strategy to be fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving forward towards a petroeuro system for international oil trades, while Russia discusses this option. Candidly stated, `Operation Iraqi Freedom' was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. puppet in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. [1] In 2003 the global community witnessed a combination of petrodollar warfare and oil depletion warfare. The majority of the world's governments – especially the E.U., Russia and China - were not amused – and neither are the U.S. soldiers who are currently stationed in Iraq. Indeed, the author's original pre-war hypothesis was validated shortly after the war in a Financial Times article dated June 5th, 2003, which confirmed Iraqi oil sales returning to the international markets were once again denominated in US dollars, not euros. Not surprisingly, this detail was never mentioned in the five US major media conglomerates who appear to censor this type of information, but confirmation of this vital fact provides insight into one of the crucial - yet overlooked - rationales for 2003 the I
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
Dave, have a look at this and see if it might help you. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/search.asp?search=ez+strainers&x=10&y=8. "DAVE C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
Hey Peggy, I agree that their are several kinds of smart (if you will). I have an Aunt who holds three Doctorate degrees but yet can't function at all in the daily task without assistance. Some of the smartest men and women I know I meet at the farmers market, the coop or feed store would no doubt test unfavorably on an IQ test. I value their opinion no less than I do the college professor at UGA who I discuss agricultural topics with frequently. The only true ignorance, in my meager opinion, is to discount the knowledge and or experience of either. My Grandfather is a Bishop in the Church and has great wisdom with only a 5th grade education. My wife's Grandfather ,who recently passed away, was a farmer with only a 6th grade education yet commanded the respect of the professors at UGA as well as the news media from Atlanta regarding local agricultural issues. He was also very involved in politics (head of the polling stations in our county). Both men are and were given great honor and respect from very strong willed wives who did not complete high school. Non of them would perform very well on an IQ test but their intelligence is far greater than that which is measurable from a test. All people should have the same level of respect regardless of some test score. But it just isn't so. I know when I am seen in town by strangers in my work boots, overalls and straw cap I get superior looks from them. But when strangers see me walking from the plane I just landed at their local airport, I'm viewed differently, as if worthy of being in their company. Am I not the same man? In politics it's not about respecting people and accepting them for who they are but rather about gaining their votes. Both parties will pander to the various groups in hopes of winning. But the respect for (or the lack thereof)those persons they are wooing doesn't change. I am no better than a poor starving person in any country, and neither is the wealthiest person on the face of this earth any better than me. Our circumstances are only different. And when our governments and social groups determine to make life better for all mankind and not just for "their" mankind then we can really begin to see change. Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peggy Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Hello Tim, About twenty-five years ago an article was published on 7 kinds of smart (and we all know that this is an arbitrary definition). I can't recall all of the divisions presented and many people revere one over the other. However, appreciating these defined abilities means that the "highest" intelligence would need to be judged in many facets... and superman is a fantasy. Fun on a weekend Peggy Possible kinds of smart: Memory Logic Body Kinetics Sound and Color Applications Intuition Add your own... You are smart in more ways than you know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ferguson Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Does this imply that everyone has a right to exist but only those of the highest intellect have the right to govern or elect those who govern? And what is the cutoff that determines who is in which segment? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results Can anyone substantiate this? http://geekgossip.net/2004election_by_iq.png Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain woodchip compost pile space heater?
Keith Addison a écrit :
Greetings Rob
Certainly some of the biofuel lurkers and respondents know of this
famous French agroforestry guru, Jean Pain. One of his interesting
projects was to use the chips from the slash and thinnings of the
forests for space heating. Decomposing chips, piled on exterior
masonry walls heated the thermal mass which then could radiate heat
towards the occupants. The part I'm missing here is the book which
has the image of the PVC loop, buried in the chips pile, which
circulates warmed water to the interior radiators. With this
enhancement, a little interior temp increase for a short period
wouldn't cool the pile significantly, yet could be programmed to
say, heat the kitchen and bath before breakfast. Anyone know the
Title of this texts for inter library loans?
Is there a book? Maybe there's one in French.
There is :
In English :
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Pain, Ida and Jean
The Methods of Jean Pain
Self published 1980, minor bumping, edgewear, in english, 88pp photos
N° de réf. du libraire : R858
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For original edition in French (or german version):
references have a look on
[7]http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2003-September/0187
70.html
and
[8]http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/ilslontfait/ilof-jean-pain-broussaille
.php
You can see the cover of the french eighth edition at
[9]http://www.jean-pain.com/index1.htm . The website has not been
updated since 1999. English version still under construction...)
but out of print in France, may be for sale in Belgium (informations :
Comité Jean Pain asbl, Hof ter Winkelen, B-1840 LONDERZEEL, Belgique)
You also have a lot of litterature about biomass everywhere, relating
parts of the "jean pain method" (i.e.
[10]http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/fichestechniques/ft-jean-pain-broussa
illes.php)
or of course the Keith 'bible ;-)
Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold
[11]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
frantz
References
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'yes' );
4. http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/SellerInfoPL?vci=22888
5. http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/BookSearchPL?vci=22888
6. http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/SellerInfoPL?vci=22888
7. http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2003-September/018770.html
8. http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/ilslontfait/ilof-jean-pain-broussaille.php
9. http://www.jean-pain.com/index1.htm
10.
http://www.onpeutlefaire.com/fichestechniques/ft-jean-pain-broussailles.php
11. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
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Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Roof top wind turbines seem like a great idea. They were around a > hundred years ago on barns to pump water and grind corn and grains. > > Unfortunately here where I live in Canada they have put in > by-laws preventing any residence from having a wind turbine > and restricting a farm to only one. Of course you can pay > the township a fee of just over a grand and they will consider it. > > I live on a farm where I built my first wind turbine about > four years ago, now I want to build a second one but have > these by-laws to contend with. > > Saul I'd been reading other articles about Renewable Devices, Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System and some of the gov't impasses even though Scotland is encouraging renewable energy. "The Scottish Executive has promised to increase the amount of electricity generated in Scotland from renewable sources to 40 per cent by 2020." Borders homes test new rooftop wind turbines WILLIAM CHISHOLM 25 Feb 2004 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/business.cfm?id=221612004 Schools trial wind turbines for electricity 18 May 2004 http://news.scotsman.com/education.cfm?id=567052004 Blow for turbines SAM HALSTEAD 6 Aug 2004 http://www.talkenergy.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/10/1529240&mode=thread&tid=15 A STORM has blown up over an oil giant's bid to erect two wind turbines on top of an Edinburgh petrol filling station. BP's wind turbines breeze in 27 Aug 2004 http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1005442004 <><><><><> Why home power is a real breeze VICKY COLLINS, Environment Correspondent November 01 2004 http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/27024.html THE number of people in Scotland setting up wind turbines in their gardens has soared over the past 10 years and looks likely to become a significant source of renewable energy. Hundreds of Scottish homes are powered by wind energy, with one company reporting thousands of orders. Proven Energy, a family-owned business in Stewarton, Ayrshire, said it had installed around 200 small-scale turbines across Scotland and had experienced 100% growth in the past two years. Renewable Devices, established two years ago to make green energy products more accessible, has sold hundreds of turbines and orders are in the thousands, reports Charlie Silverton, one of its founders. Both firms believe interest in individual turbines could make domestic generation a major source of renewable energy. However, they warned that government guidance for council planning departments and electricity distributors was virtually non-existent. Although the Scottish Executive gives grants for small turbines, the companies urged ministers to make it easier for households to switch to green energy. Dr Silverton said: "We really think the government should put a bit more emphasis on turbines for domestic use. We have to spend a lot of time educating planning departments ö many planning officers immediately think in terms of the massive turbines used on major wind farms and their inclination is just to reject it. "It is not like having one big wind farm at the end of the road that is not contributing anything to the local community who have to live beside it. With small turbines it is the individual family or school or community that benefits." Alan Powell, sales manager at Proven Energy, said about 25% of customers wanting a turbine on their property had suffered rejected applications. He said: "Planning departments need to come into line on this. They basically pigeonhole these small turbines as wind farms, but they are much smaller and the only noise they make is the sound of the blade cutting through the air. There is no mechanical noise at all. If everyone in the UK had their own small turbine then it could provide virtually all our energy needs. The national grid would only be needed for back-up." Hans Unkels, a fisherman from Tayvallich, Argyll and Bute, put up a small wind turbine in his garden this year. He had to fight for planning permission because the council had never dealt with such an application before and had no guidance from the executive. "We finally swung it because I had 35 letters of support from my neighbours and only a handful against," he said. Another problem for individual power generators is red tape and costly meters required by electricity distributors before they will pay for the units of renewable energy produced. "The procedures for claiming these units is an absolute faff," Mr Unkels said. "The form you have to fill in is 54 pages and is designed for major wind farms, not single, small turbines." Good Energy, which supplies green energy for home and business, sources electricity from major producers such as wind farms but has recently set up a scheme to pay individual households for renewable energy they produce. Juliet Davenport, chief executive, explained: "We take on the form filling f
[Biofuel] He Speaks to God
This about sums it all up in a nice,precise, and complete nutshell. Beware:Christian content. http://www.rense.com/general59/godse.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Bryn, Welcome to the list. I am soon to be moving to Northern CA, and San Rafael is one of the spots in top contention. Is this the San Rafael you're speaking of? Brian > >> >> I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it >> embraces >> all religions. >> > > Mel, > > I just joined the bio-fuel list tonight, and wasn't expecting such a > wonderful introduction! > > I'm glad you like the Bah' Faith... It has been my way of life since my > Mum became a Bah' in 1962 when I was 8 years of age. Since then, in all > the turmoil that has occurred in the World, the Bah' Faith has continued > to expand, grow, and influence leaders of thought in all spheres. I spent > 19 > years at the World Centre in Haifa, before accompanying my wife to San > Rafael to look after her mother in 2002. > > We just bought a 1977 Mercedes 300 Diesel yesterday with the hope of > running > it on Biofuel - which is why I joined this list - and was delighted to > read > both your version of the wonderful old joke, and your appreciation for a > Faith that has been the centre of my life for 42 years! > > My brother is producing bio-fuel in Vanuatu. See: > > http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238 > > warm regards, > Bryn Deamer > http://deamer.org/bryn > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
is filtering WVO straight into the reactor. http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html Luc - Original Message - From: "Andreas W Ohnsorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO Dave, I have made the same experience with filtering WVO - it seems that very small organic particles clog the filter. My way around this is to warm the WVO up to about 60 degrees Celsius, let the solid particles settle for about 4 - 6 hours and then suck the oil from the surface with a hose into the filter. This works more or less - if anyone has another (better) way to filter it - I am interested to get to know, too! Andreas Ohnsorge Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. "DAVE C." Sent by: biofuel-bounces 08.11.2004 00:38 Please respond to biofuel To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:[Biofuel] filtering WVO I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] PVC
but have not noticed any deterioration in using them. The BD being processed is in direct contact as are ohers that do not get rinsed while transfering and no beakdown or leaking has occured. Luc - Original Message - From: "John Guttridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PVC note to self, read all of the links under identifying plastics before asking how to identify plastics and looking like an idiot. the question about the PVC compatibility remains though. John Guttridge wrote: I was given some really great pumps that were previously used for H2O the pump bodies seem to be made out of PVC. I checked the compatibility website at http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/ChemComp.asp and it seems to indicate compatibility with the NAOH and the methanol no problem however it may be degraded by the oil or the mixture. does anyone have any experience with PVC for this stuff? there is no recycling mark that I can find on the pump body anywhere is there any really good way of identifying it other than "yup it sure looks like PVC"? what about chemically welded PVC (using that MEK based PVC cement) will it still have the same chemical resistance? thanks list John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] filtering WVO
Dave, I have made the same experience with filtering WVO - it seems that very small organic particles clog the filter. My way around this is to warm the WVO up to about 60 degrees Celsius, let the solid particles settle for about 4 - 6 hours and then suck the oil from the surface with a hose into the filter. This works more or less - if anyone has another (better) way to filter it - I am interested to get to know, too! Andreas Ohnsorge Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. "DAVE C." Sent by: biofuel-bounces 08.11.2004 00:38 Please respond to biofuel To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:[Biofuel] filtering WVO I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment?
wouldn't buy another one though cause 55 gal drums work just as good. I get a new one everytime I buy 55 gal of methanol.Punasurfer - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment? Hello Howard Hello all, I've been using Gmail for a while now, and while I was reading list messages today the following came up as a sponsored ad: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com Is anyone using this type of processor? $3000 seems kinda steep for something I could build for about $500 including the tanks and pumps. Also, it looks like this processor is using poly tanks - I was under the impression that poly tanks were a major no-no. They do seem to have some useful information on fuel taxes and state regulations pertaining to biodiesel, but I can't see anyone buying one of their processors. What do you all think? Reagrds, Howard Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your instincts are very sound, trust them! This sort of rounds up a lot of previous discussion about this: With all the processor designs on your web site, possibly a person who considers themselves incapable of plumbing together a processor could hire someone to do it for them (local plumber?), and still come out way, way, way cheaper than any pre-bought system. Yes indeed, much cheaper and much better. This cost about $100: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html It's WAY superior to any of these allegedly ready-to-use for-sale things. As for Rudi's junk, instead of improving the thing so it might get within spitting distance of doing even a half-assed job, he's now supplying add-ons instead, at a 400% markup, so it now costs $4,300 with an extra tank and a heater, which should be standard, not extra. You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. So what exactly is wrong with the thing? Quicker to ask what's right with it - nothing. But, please, do yourself a favour and spend some time reading through this stuff here, previous discussion on the FuelMeister: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=fuelmeister&time=6mon ths&usertime=2002-12-31 If that's all a bit much at first you can start with these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28752/ Re: Now here's a nice little joke http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29808/ Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors (When you access the messages, if you hit on "Click here for more on this subject" you get a clickable table of the whole thread.) Nobody here has an axe to grind (except the guy who keeps saying "Why do you have a problem with the FuelMeister?" only it turns out he sells them). We'd all just love to see a good ready-made that did a good job at a reasonable price, but, as I said in the first place, there isn't such a thing, sad to say. So much for the "processor", but it turns out the "process" is as bad or worse - the instructions Rudi sends out with the FuelMeister not only ensure poor quality, they're dangerous: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=17 801&TOPIC_ID=2668&FORUM_ID=3 Originally posted by girl Mark Obviously, the FuelMeister will cost you an extra $3,000-$4,000 for a reactor made of some really crappy materials, and if you were to follow their instructons you'd make an inferior product instead of 'biodiesel' (there's no way to make ASTM-grade biodiesel following their instructions, they've brought back the Dark Ages of methanol skimping among other things, including suggestions that you should wear a solvent respirator (there's no such thing for that works against methanol!!) and that you should open the lid of your reactor and evaporate a bunch of the excess methanol into your house/garage/work space after the reaction (duh!) oh and there's a recommendation to sniff your unwashed (ie very much methanol-containing) biodiesel as a sort of quality test -using your nose to test for excess methanol). Since they're counting on the fact that their customers probably aren't already homebrewing, and want to buy something without going through the process of learning it on their own, most of their customers won't know the hazards or shortcomings of the processes they're buying... by the way there's no filter for methanol that you can buy, and the fact that the FuelMeister claims that they have one in their reactor is an absolute travesty. Mark [more] http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35580/ That message ends like this: So, now, finally, the good news? Sure... You don't need the likes of Rudi and Joshua and their iffy offerings. You've come to the right place, you'll find everything you need right here, willingly given, free of charge, good information, good advice, and help and assistance from experienced biodieselers when you need it. But you're n
Re: [Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
Oh, and it was about 5.200 litres of bio running through (150 batches in 35 litre reactor) I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
John, Lethal also, for many of the young boys who tries to do the liberation. It is also very lethal for the Iraqi population, with around NINE Iraqi's who is killed for every SINGLE American, not included the ones who die from related sicknesses and malnutrition. The former wealthy Iraq is now and since the first Gulf war struck by poverty and hunger. I saw on CNN a group of American soldiers who had a service for some fallen comrades. Could not avoid to think about the family's and friends to the innocent and less innocent Iraqi's who die as victims of the occupation. In this is not included all the victims who not die, but will be decapitated for the rest of their life. All of it is much more personal and difficult, than we can imagine, when looking at it from a safe distance and captured by Television, which never can give us the real notion of what actually is happening. The sorrows must be overwhelming for the directly involved parties on both sides. It is hard realities, not only the work and Bush carry the responsibility for it. It is for sure blood on his hands, both US and Iraqi, and that must be very difficult. I guess that God already mentioned it and gave his forgiveness and blessings, in their discussions. Hakan At 01:20 AM 11/8/2004, you wrote: no, he is freeing the Iraqis, that is loving right? just like Hitler freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?). John Legal Eagle wrote: Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class. He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by we
[Biofuel] Biofuel in the South Pacific.
For news about cocofuel from the midmost heart of the ocean see: http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238 Tony Deamer is my brother... Regards, Bryn Deamer, San Rafael http://deamer.org/bryn P.S. if the name Vanuatu seem familiar it might be because the current series of that horrendous Reality game "Survivors" is set there on the southern Island of Tanna. The same island where my brother (above) and I ran a vehicle repair shop for 6 years... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
> > I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces > all religions. > Mel, I just joined the bio-fuel list tonight, and wasn't expecting such a wonderful introduction! I'm glad you like the Bah' Faith... It has been my way of life since my Mum became a Bah' in 1962 when I was 8 years of age. Since then, in all the turmoil that has occurred in the World, the Bah' Faith has continued to expand, grow, and influence leaders of thought in all spheres. I spent 19 years at the World Centre in Haifa, before accompanying my wife to San Rafael to look after her mother in 2002. We just bought a 1977 Mercedes 300 Diesel yesterday with the hope of running it on Biofuel - which is why I joined this list - and was delighted to read both your version of the wonderful old joke, and your appreciation for a Faith that has been the centre of my life for 42 years! My brother is producing bio-fuel in Vanuatu. See: http://news.bahai.org/story.cfm?storyid=238 warm regards, Bryn Deamer http://deamer.org/bryn ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Explosion proof Vs Totally enclosed
I've been reading Todds design for the 833gl plant and have a simple question. What's the difference between a TEFC and explosion proof with respect to electric motors, and I suppose therefore pumps? Regards, Andrew Lowe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] My fuel tank after 4 years of bio
I took off my fuel tank last saturday, mainly to see if any buildup of anything is on the bottom and fuel feed and return manifolds inside the tank after four years of driving on bio and various blends of bio/dino. The result: zero. Absolutely clean, no spot of rust, no nothing. All plastic parts in the fuel tank: intact (swimmer housing, plastic fuel feed prefilter, rubber wire insulation, electrics in the swimmer housing). Nothing. Damn. The reason I did this, is I get poor acceleration after the engine restore this year (most of the year, it turned out most of the car was in need of something, 14 years old and 200.000 miles on the clock). I laso had the fuel pump rebuilt, a Bosch VE (pre-electronic diesel) pump. It turns out, the guys at the Bosch shop didn't tune the pump properly. Arrgh. On the other hand, I'm glad I did it. Both for the sake of bio harming plastic parts of cars (if properly made it does not) and the second reason is that I want to fit the car with an Elsbett single tank vegoil system next spring - to rule out the fuel tank and lines if anything goes wrong. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
I found my best choice here on the farm for pumping water was a drum type windmill. Low cost (made from scrap), stable at high winds and lots of torque. It was survived three windy years without any repairs. Saul > > From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/11/07 Sun PM 05:22:56 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland > > Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is weak. > Each day a bit better though. Actually have some > colour > in my face now. > > Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. As > for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I am > under the impression 3 blades is usually the best > choice. > > Mine is a drag windmill. Less efficient but the bottom > line is dollars/watt and for water pumping and the > like it has peak torque at stall. > > Kirk > > > --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.scoraigwind.com/ > > > >has a much cheaper solution. > > > >Also a more factual solution. A rooftop > > installation > > > >will in most cases be a very poor one. > > > > > > > >Kirk > > > > > > Kirk, > > How's your windmill coming along? > > Does Hugh Piggott have a blade configuration such > > as the > > > > > > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > > > > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm > > > > I had read some comments about the > > 'Swift rooftop wind power generator' > > > > http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/18/211148/864 > > > > > > Hakan, > > What was the 'awea wind list' assessment of the > > Swift design? > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Roof top wind turbines seem like a great idea. They were around a hundred years ago on barns to pump water and grind corn and grains. Unfortunately here where I live in Canada they have put in by-laws preventing any residence from having a wind turbine and restricting a farm to only one. Of course you can pay the township a fee of just over a grand and they will consider it. I live on a farm where I built my first wind turbine about four years ago, now I want to build a second one but have these by-laws to contend with. Saul > > From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/11/07 Sun AM 09:03:32 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland > > Rooftop Turbine > A Breakthrough In Wind Power > By Paul Kelbie > Scotland Correspondent > The Independent - UK > 5-22-4 > http://www.rense.com/general53/wind.htm >Each unit could pay for itself in three to four years, > the inventors say. And with a 20-year guarantee from the > manufacturers, each turbine could provide householders > with up to 16 years of free electricity... >The Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System, developed by the > Edinburgh company Renewable Devices Limited, supplies the > power directly into a home's individual existing mains supply. > Each turbine is made up of five two-metre rotor blades > encased in an outer-rim, like a wagon wheel, and it sits > just 1.5 metres above the height of a house... [more] > > To me it appears the diameter is 2 metres looking at the > link http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm far below. > > Wind turbines could soon be familiar sight - on rooftops > ALASTAIR REED > 29 Oct 2004 > http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1250422004 >ROOFTOP wind turbines could soon be commonplace throughout > Scotland, after one of the country's largest energy providers took > a stake in a fledgling Edinburgh-based renewable energy company. >Scottish and Southern Energy announced yesterday that it is to pay > £293,000 for a 20 per cent stake in Renewable Devices, which has > developed what it claims is the "world's first rooftop-mountable wind > energy system". >The turbine, which is to be known as the Swift Rooftop Wind Energy > System, is silent, about the same size as a satellite dish, and > capable of providing about 30 per cent of the electricity needs of > a typical household. Even with a £1,500 price-tag, its creators claim > the system will repay that amount in electricity savings in just > three years of its guaranteed 20-year life. >The SSE chief executive, Ian Marchant, said: "To date, > renewable energy has only really been accessible to > customers at the top end of the scale," he said. "With > this deal, individual households can now get involved." >Over the next three years SSE expects to order > 2,000 of the systems. > > Swift route to green energy at home > Colin Donald > 29 Oct 2004 > http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1249502004 >AT FIRST glance it looks as gawky and simple as a > school weather experiment: a carbon fibre cartwheel > with five sculpted blades-cum-spokes, a tail with fins. >But if Dave Anderson's confidence is borne out, we could > be getting an early glimpse of a 21st-century domestic icon. > He and his colleagues at Renewable Devices are striving to > make the Swift rooftop wind energy system as much a feature > of the urban landscape as the satellite dish - and > yesterday's deal with power giant Scottish & Southern Energy > brings this a step closer... >News organisations worldwide have been waking up to the > potential of a noiseless, vibration-free, roof-mounted turbine. > The device plugs directly into the home grid, it will retail at > around £1,500 and promises to repay that in electricity savings > to the average household in the first three years of > its 20-year guaranteed life... [more] > > Launch of rooftop wind turbine pilot > 18/05/2004 > http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2004/05/5528 >The first installation of a world-leading rooftop turbine > took place today at a Fife school. >One rooftop turbine is being installed at each of five > Fife Primary schools in the new pilot, and if successful, > the turbines could be sited on houses and > buildings across Scotland. [more] > > SWIFT WIND TURBINE > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.ht
[Biofuel] diesel generation from waste plastic
I am working on a brand new proprietary process that will permanently remove all of our waste plastic problems forever. This new process cracks the plastic through gentle infra red heating and once the plastic has hit its melting point, the fuels that it was originally made of, break down and seperate out. The process creates 0 (zero) emmissions as it is a 100 % airless system. The unit has a 1.5 megawatt generator attatched to it and uses the residual flare gas and some LPG that is created to run the generator that in turn powers the entire system. The process crushes and chips the plastic, melts the oil, seperates the oils through a refractionization process, and finally stores the oils out. I can have two choices. I can use the multifuel generator and run 900 kilowatts of electricity to the grid 24/7 or I can not run the generator (only off of the flare gas and LPG to run the system) and the remaining fuel can be sold to the market. Not only will it accept and crack all types of plastics(I'll include a list of plastic below for those of you that are interested), but it will also accept any type of oil from vegetable oil to WVO, automotive oil(any hydrocarbon based oil) Soon we will be able to crack car tires!! Each car tire will create approximately 2.5 gallons of diesel fuel. We all know the huge problem that we have with waste plastic and waste automotive oil and car tires.. I have the solution and will be building a small facility to prove the unit within the next 6 months. This fuel could be mixed with biodiesel and our country could soon be 100 % self sufficient with our diesel fuel requirements. Take a look at the oils and types of plastic that we can crack. Remember 0 emissions and millions of tonnes of plastic removed from landfill sites! Plastics that can be cracked: #1 through 7 plastics polyethylenetelephthalate,polybutylene terethanalate,polyphenylene sulfide,polyphenylene oxide, acrylonitrle-butadiene-styrene,polycarbonate,ployoxymethylene, polymethyl-methacrylate,synthetic rubber,polyethylene,polyproylene polystyrene, general purpose polystyrene, expanded polystyrene, cross-linking polyethylene, nylon 66, nylon 6,polyamide, polyvinyl chloride (PVC) Waste oils that can be cracked: Waste lubricating oils engine lubricating oils industrial lubricating oils electrical usage oils heat treatment oils residue oils from refineries shipping fuel oil waste ashphalt and associatd oils any and all hydrocarbon based oils Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Office (905)473-5646 Cellular (705)794-1264 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
freed Poland from it's jewish problem or we freed the Iraqis from communism when we installed sadam in the first place (don't forget our installation of the taliban too). what a nice guy he is. don't forget how hard the work is (it's hard work, did he mention that it was hard work?). John Legal Eagle wrote: Of course if the ever reverend Heir Bush WERE a Christian he would know that "ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class. He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive
Re: [Biofuel] PVC
asking how to identify plastics and looking like an idiot. the question about the PVC compatibility remains though. John Guttridge wrote: I was given some really great pumps that were previously used for H2O the pump bodies seem to be made out of PVC. I checked the compatibility website at http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/ChemComp.asp and it seems to indicate compatibility with the NAOH and the methanol no problem however it may be degraded by the oil or the mixture. does anyone have any experience with PVC for this stuff? there is no recycling mark that I can find on the pump body anywhere is there any really good way of identifying it other than "yup it sure looks like PVC"? what about chemically welded PVC (using that MEK based PVC cement) will it still have the same chemical resistance? thanks list John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] filtering WVO
I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Kirk, I'd didn't realize you've been ill. Glad to hear things are getting better. I only see your messages in the archive or if certain people reply to yours like Hakan did. I've misplaced the details regarding your project. It must have been a archive message I read and forgot to copy, darn it. Are you craving blades or using sailcloth? How many are you using? I'd read that 3 blades is a nice compromise between balance and high rpm electrical generation. I hadn't noticed Mr Piggott using a hoop around the tips of his blades in the past maybe that's changed to reduce noise or dampen vibration or increased performance or structural safety integrity. You take care of yourself, you hear? > Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is weak. > Each day a bit better though. Actually have some colour > in my face now. > > Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. As > for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I am > under the impression 3 blades is usually the best > choice. > > Mine is a drag windmill. Less efficient but the bottom > line is dollars/watt and for water pumping and the > like it has peak torque at stall. > > Kirk > > Kirk, > > How's your windmill coming along? > > Does Hugh Piggott have a blade configuration such as the > > > > > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > > > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Huge chemical equipment auction in NJ area Nov 10-12.
Hello All ; Another massive web cast auction (bid online or live) of chemical manufacturing equipment. pH meters, tanks, huge offering. http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=2788 Good luck bidding! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Read the Talmud recently ? And what makes you think that a "law" that only applied in a limited situation over 4,000 years ago has any real prevelance today? At least it would be nice if you all knew what you were taking about, instead of assuming you did.Anyone, looking for it, can take anything out of context, but that seems to be lost huh? Luc - Original Message - From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God Hello Mel, Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how appreciation, joy, and good will are the most important things to bring into our lives to amplify the same. Well, then I read your message. Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or will that amply the same? Peggy Subject: He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight. I too was outside looking at the colors and how the pink lit up the whole sky and the clouds. The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God and it's different for everyone. I personally read the Urantia book and like the Bahaii faith, as it embraces all religions. But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens of the universe supposed to do with such backwardness and dogmatism? Maybe we just have to keep teaching. Not so sure at this point. One of my favorite ways to counter some of the dogma and I'm right and they are wrong crowd is to ask them some simple questions. 1 If my grandfather stole a car in 1890 before they titled them and anyone knew what it was and hid it in the barn, and I take it out 110 years later, is it still a stolen car? Most folks nod and say why yes it is. Then I ask them...If my great -great grandfather stole some folks land, murdered a bunch of the "land owners" would it still be stolen land? And murder? Even if they didn’t have "titles" to the land. They of course say yes. Then I remind them that is exactly what we did here in this country to the natives and what the imperial powers did in EVERY country they "civilized" And they say "well that's different" and I ask how And they stammer and stutter and can’t really answer. And the same today. If a Govt came into a country, helped with a coup de etat and installed their own puppet ruler and then proceeded to allow THEIR corporations to pillage and loot the country for their own counties benefit? Is it SILL A STOLEN CAR? Mel Who wishes he did not have to participate in the criminal enterprises of "his country" but he IS LOOKING for ALTERNATIVE :( -Original Message- From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God Hello Mel, Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how appreciation, joy, and good will are the most important things to bring into our lives to amplify the same. Well, then I read your message. Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or will that amply the same? Peggy Subject: He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Hello Mel, Tonight my husband and I were marveling at the sunset and how appreciation, joy, and good will are the most important things to bring into our lives to amplify the same. Well, then I read your message. Golly gee, is it time for a good book burning or will that amply the same? Peggy Subject: He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
on 11/7/04 1:50 PM, Mel Riser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my > study of the Bible. You forget -- "books are Laura's thing!" -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
