Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.

2005-10-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped

Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.

2005-10-11 Thread Keith Addison
Oops, sorry, that message got a bit fouled up, wasn't in ASCII, second try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems,

[Biofuel] oil price gouging poll

2005-10-11 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's, auto co's and politicos are going to actually do anything about it, besides some feeble, feel good conservation PR?? regards tallex Most Americans say oil companies are price gouging Four out of five Americans would

[Biofuel] Fleet tests

2005-10-11 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Does anybody know of a good sight to find reports covering car fleet tests on BD ? Would be nice if they were in English though. Jan Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.

2005-10-11 Thread Kurt Nolte
On 10/11/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, sorry, that message got a bit fouled up, wasn't in ASCII, second try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test?Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up.

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-11 Thread Tom Irwin
Hello Jim, Gray water heat would require heat exchangers for very little return. I'd go for the solar collectors, the ones for hot water can collect a lot more heat. Where are you located? Tom Irwin From: JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Street
Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem.

[Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Frantz DESPREZ
SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. By Sebastian Rotella LATimes Staff Writer October 10, 2005 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-fg- deflate10oct10,0,6929787.story

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-10-11 Thread Andrew Lowe
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Street
ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Burak_l
Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently. Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city.

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Appal Energy
Dick Cheney has the answer. Nuclear power, clean and non-polluting as he calls it, and between 1,200 and 1,900 new power plants over the next two plus decades - the equivalent of more than one new, licensed plant per week. Any ideas as to what the fuel sources will be for those new generation

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Street
Ok so if we follow this line of thought to it's logical conclusion where do we end up Todd?  Yeah I know, 'The dark side'. Maybe the dark side is where the real Jedi warriors reside and everyone has been brainwashed to believe the opposite. It's the bizzarro world where white is really black

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Brian Rodgers
I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-11 Thread JJJN
Hello Tom, We are in Eastern Montana, Cold but sunny winters. Would antifreeze work as the fluid? Tom Irwin wrote: Hello Jim, Gray water heat would require heat exchangers for very little return. I'd go for the solar collectors, the ones for hot water can collect a lot more heat.

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-11 Thread Ken Dunn
Jim, did you search the archives? search for solar hot water heater We've been discussing this a fair amount lately, several people posted great recommendations and reference website urls. Take care, Ken On 10/11/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tom, We are in Eastern Montana, Cold

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-11 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Jim, Yes, proplyene or ethylene glycol will work but then you need a heat exchanger in the system for hot water use. If you are just using it for space heating then you wouldn't need the exchanger. Just make sure your pipe joints are well sealed.Can you use wood as a backup or integrated

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread John Hayes
Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I

Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian

2005-10-11 Thread golan michal
hay ian the answer foryour mthenol question is yes and no by law you cant by in israel more then a 100 liter methanol with out a"poison permit" any way i bought once till now 80 liter from asupplier in theother side of the country the price was about 0.7us$ aliter. all the best golan-

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Gary Moro
Following on with this logic, one would expect motorcyclists to be letting the air out of standard car tires and then, in a step further, pedal cyclists would be letting the air out of motorcycle tires... Everything is relative folks. I would hope that all those that argue against SUV's are

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-10-11 Thread Keith Addison
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] WTF is this? I thought the list prevented idiocy such as sending 1.4MB HTML emails to the thousand or so people who are on this list. A LOT more people than that Andrew. Keith, can the good old days of text and text only be reintroduced so that abuse

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Street
I guess I didn't make my point very clearly.  I was thinking about less.  It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost.  When I think of the word less I think of actually

[Biofuel] Google laugh

2005-10-11 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in miserable failure and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. It is too funny to where it takes you! http://www.google.com/ ___

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Michael Luich
So how about running a Humvee on biofuels? miltary models and some H1's are diesel. It'd be the best way to show them you can have your fun and be responsible. I've been looking forward to a bio humer. Only way i can reconcile all my wants. Mike Luich On 10/11/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Greg and April
Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying when compared to the military Humvee? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:36 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get

Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh

2005-10-11 Thread Paul S Cantrell
Kim, I enjoy this very much... Also works with just the word 'failure.' This is the result of 'GoogleBombing' by linking the word failure withe link to Dubya's bio More here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html Note that MichaelMoore.com is usually #2 in the

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Appal Energy
Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list gets it. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Appal Energy
Can't quite connect with all the metaphors Joe. But the inevitable end of the Leibermans of the world failing to address reality is rather obvious. Too bad that old geezers such as he won't have to reap what he helps sew. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: Ok so if we follow this line of

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Joe Street
Well Todd, you made my day!  Thank you. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list "gets it." Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones

Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh

2005-10-11 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
That is hilarious, thanks for the laugh, regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Google laugh

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Weaver
I think lots of people "get it" - didn't anyone else on this list live thru the 70's? But as soon as oil prices dropped we all "forgot it" and bought SUV's and McMansions. Talking about any kind of realization of change or sacrifice is anathema.  Terrorism? Go shopping. Oil dwindling? Pass a

Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Weaver
Never happen. The Republicans will decline - look at the Energy Bill - and we'll forget all about it. You guys are making me feel old: Look at: http://www.techcentralstation.com/the70smedia.html Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's,

[Biofuel] We've lived this before!

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Weaver
As part of his energy plan, Carter encouraged Americans to conserve energy and promoted this policy by wearing a sweater while urging the people to turn down their thermostats. He also installed solar panels in the White House and a wood stove in the living quarters.

[Biofuel] Fwd: [New from GRAIN] Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations

2005-10-11 Thread Keith Addison
Whither Biosafety? In these days of Monsanto Laws, hope for real biosafety lies at the grassroots, Against the grain, October 2005, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 Whither whatever... Whither energy? Same answer, IMHO. Best Keith Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:34:14 +0100 (BST) From:

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, If you mean we the Americans did not get it, you are right. This list is international and without any Americans dominance. We the Swedish did get it and have constantly worked on energy efficiency and saving all the time since 1973. Hakan At 22:36 11/10/2005, you wrote: I think lots of

[Biofuel] good wvo candidate

2005-10-11 Thread Krindi4
Hey, I'm new to the list and I've just recently become interested in using waste cooking oil to fuel my commute. I am looking to buy a good diesel truck to convert. So far, I've gathered that an older dodge is probably the best route. I've also heard that indirect injection is better than direct

Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization

2005-10-11 Thread shan
It would make things a lot easier if life were such that woes were solved in 30 minutes as on TV, but we all know that's not the case. Unfortunately, for every 'enlightened' person that I come across who is interested in alternative fuels, sustainability, and environmental responsibility - there

Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them

2005-10-11 Thread Ed Normandy
Sometimes owning an SUV can be envrionmentally correct. I just bought a 2500 Suburban and am looking for a camping trailer to tow with it. It is replacing a gas guzzeling 560SEC Mercedes for my everyday driving and a 32 foot long (5MPG) motorhome for my recreational use. Oh yea and it's a

Re: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate

2005-10-11 Thread Derick Giorchino
Well yes and no. although the older Cummins 5.9 engine is old school and will handle wvo if the conversion is done right. The engine has limited electronics and thus has fewer problems. The basic engine is the same new or old excepting the injection and added electronics and catalytic

Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll

2005-10-11 Thread Derick Giorchino
You bet they are and the local gov and fed are in on it to an extent. The big power players own the oil co globally in stocks bonds except. It is in there best interest to get the price as high as they can. That is there personal gain. On the other side of the fence is those same people as a

Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks

2005-10-11 Thread Derick Giorchino
If its clean you can get a pump from harbor fright 12 v and not top pricy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:13 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks