Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
if you ar having problems meausring lye because of humidity set up a large clear bag and put your scale and lye inside. you can use coat hangers to make a ridig frame to hold the plastic up. tape gloves through the side of plastic bag (the new extra large zip locks shoudlwork well). use and old or second can of lye and open it up and pour some in a pan after you have closed the bag let it absorbe teh water and CO2 from you dry box open a fresh can to be only opend after teh water and co2 has been absorbed. this should reduce your water and co2 absorption. Original Message Follows From: Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:24:53 -0400 Something I keep hitting over and over in all my prelim test batches (Still haven't made one any bigger than a liter...): How's your humidity, and are you absolutely certain that your weights for the lye are accurate? I was having some huge problems with emulsions on a shake test, and with the scale I just recently purchased (Jeweler's scale, up to 500g) I discovered just how inaccurate my old one was; I was using way too much lye, and taking far too long to measure it out. It was absorbing a great deal of water from the atmosphere (70%+ humidity is a constant here). How big are your test batches? The full 2L capacity, or are you only doing 1L batches? I eventually moved to smaller batches so I could measure out my lye quicker, it helped a bit. My current test batches I mix up in a small 400mL Mason-type canning jar, 300mL of oil to about 75mL of Methanol, and just use a hot water bath to bring it to temperature, shake it for ten or fifteen minutes, put it back in the bath for ten, shake fifteen soak ten, and so on for about an hour and half. Produced some very clear, clean-looking results so far. . Have you tried heating up your wash water before doing the shake test? That also helped... I'm slowly, very slowly progressing back up to full sized test batches while I gather parts. Hoped some of this helps! -Kurt On 10/15/05, Peter Currie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines
How about a rotary engine that doest take those delicate graphite seals? Long story short I had one via my lil brother that only had 1 working cell and still put out enough HP to go 85mph. Jeromie Kurt Nolte wrote: You know, reading that and several other concepts and proven designs has put an idea into my head. I was doing some library research earlier today, and stumbled across the Deltic opposed piston engines. I looked into those, and was just utterly floored. Like, whoa. is what the guy sitting beside me in the library told me I said. Those things rocked in some serious ways, with only a really complicated crankshaft balancing system keeping them from being really workable on a widespread basis. Ideas immediately started pouring through my head on how to revive the OP engine design. Then I log on to check my e-mail, and see this. Like, whoa all over again. I read everything they have on their site. And the thought hits me. A cam-driven opposed cylinder engine. Cam at one end, cam at the other, 12 cylinders in a round block, 24 pistons riding the two cams. Utterly and completely removes the crankshaft synching issues inherent to the OP design. Low/No exhaust pulse, no valve rattle, no valve timing, drastic moving parts reduction, size reduction, no flywheel needed; with all the reciprocation operating in a front-back orientation, there wouldn't really be any piston pulse to deaden; the mass of the car would do it just fine. Smooth, even rotations, approximately 12 power strokes per revolution to even out the power application. Use small bore/long throw pistons in your cylinders and it would probably even be more incredibly efficient than an inline 3-cylinder. It would be perfect for that slow burn combustion of compression ignition engines. Perfect for diesel. Even more perfect for BD. I want to build it. I ineed/i to build this. And all I can think now is God I'm a geek :p -Kurt On 10/15/05, *Greg and April* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Prototype 42 hp Engine* * 6 inches dia. * 6 inches long * 42 hp at 7000 rpm * 40lbs. * Tested at NAVAIR PSEF Oct. 2003 http://www.regtech.com/18.html Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
THANKS CHRIS - I CAREFULLY DECANT FROM THE TOP OF BOTTLE LEAVING SETTLED (DEFINITE SEPERATION) AT BOTTOM. BIO IS CLOUDY BUT THE LONGER IT SITS THE CLEARER IT BECOMES. WHY USE 2.5G I THOUGHT I HAD TO USE 3.5G FOR VIRGIN OIL? REGARDS PETER FOM OZ - Original Message - From: Chris To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems Everything sounds good, although perhaps you could use 2.5 gms lye. You never say that you pull off the biodiesel from the glycerol though. It is so obvious that you may have not mentioned it. But, if you are not doing it, that's it. What does the biodiesel look like after separation? Chris KCayce, SC - Original Message - From: Peter Currie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
Everything sounds good, although perhaps you could use 2.5 gms lye. Why? Best Keith You never say that you pull off the biodiesel from the glycerol though. It is so obvious that you may have not mentioned it. But, if you are not doing it, that's it. What does the biodiesel look like after separation? Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Peter Currie To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
- Original Message - From: Kurt Nolte To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems Something I keep hitting over and over in all my prelim test batches (Still haven't made one any bigger than a liter...): How's your humidity, and are you absolutely certain that your weights for the lye are accurate? EARLY SPRING - LOW HUMIDITY- $300 DIGITAL SCALES- CHECKED OK I was having some huge problems with emulsions on a shake test, and with the scale I just recently purchased (Jeweler's scale, up to 500g) I discovered just how inaccurate my old one was; I was using way too much lye, and taking far too long to measure it out. It was absorbing a great deal of water from the atmosphere (70%+ humidity is a constant here). How big are your test batches? 1LT The full 2L capacity, or are you only doing 1L batches? I eventually moved to smaller batches so I could measure out my lye quicker, it helped a bit. My current test batches I mix up in a small 400mL Mason-type canning jar, 300mL of oil to about 75mL of Methanol, and just use a hot water bath to bring it to temperature, shake it for ten or fifteen minutes, put it back in the bath for ten, shake fifteen soak ten, and so on for about an hour and half. Produced some very clear, clean-looking results so far. .Have you tried heating up your wash water before doing the shake test? That also helped... I'm slowly, very slowly progressing back up to full sized test batches while I gather parts. HAVE BEEN USEING COLD WATER - WILL GO DO A WARM TEST NOWHoped some of this helps!-Kurt THANKS KURT WILL POST RESULTS On 10/15/05, Peter Currie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 4/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making
Hi Joe, Keith and ALL The reuse of Plastics (PET) after adequate thermal treatment has been showed to be very good charge transport used successfully together with conventional silicon PV system reducing the cost and may possible to be home made .. Thus significative cost reduction has been made by this system by the research done in Brasil..We are starting our research to work on this novel system to be used to heat the BioD reactor to make simple heating bio oil fuel to be used in rural areas .This oil will be to be used with novel biofuel dried oil solid /stove designed with hih temperature combustion with lower fuel consumption to be used in remote por village as an alternate to ethanol solid gel fuel and wish to have collaboration from our list members for colaborative research and development as this is our Master cousre research study for 2006 and 2008.Any novel ideas from experiencied are welcome as we are very new to some systems and the system integration We wish to share our master student Johnson experience with you who has 4 year practical experience to make the reused polymer PV system for small scale electrical PV system in Brasil , who have demonstrated the device in natcional and international fair and has owned the award for the best product in national level We have already made good progress in the design work of these three system , yet need collaboration to implement our system as this need low investments and reuse of waste to get both electricity, liquid and solid fuel as 50 percent of our state people live with out electricity and have green future . Can Keith can bring here about anyone work using solar PV for BioD making any where? This can make our debate here much more dynamic and alive . His words is always very effective catalyst to move any topic good or bad to the positive collaborative constructional path towards a good journey for all our list members , bringing to us the latest innovative biofuel related projects to make our work more practical , less failure and lees work for all of us. Thanking Keith in advance ,for his dedicated hard work to reply almost all post and also for his reply to this post too.. As our list is the only list of heterogenius one , so we can be the wining team fo the truely globalised biofuel and rural sustained development and I wish the proposed system design need not limited to our small group which is in the less developed north east of Brazil , but as the best system to address the fuel crisis in all rural area of our globlazied one country of our planet. sd Pannirselvam Brasil sd Pannirselvam On 10/14/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I guess you could say an increase in efficiency from 3 to 4.4 %is almost a 50% increase. That IS dramatic but what is it ol' foghornleghorn used to say? .two half nothin's is a whole nuthin. LOLStill vacumm deposited aluminum for a cathode is cheap and lends itself nicely to mass production as does indium tin oxide or zinc oxide whichforms the transparent conductor for the anode.The problem is in thepolymer with charge transport.Of course a breakthrough could be right around the corner who knows?If we ever get above 10% efficiency with aproduction process this cheap it will be a happy day!JoeSnip Accordingto the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence : AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
CSI president Pam Solo said: Americans have seen too much price gouging and too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and our dangerous reliance on foreign oil. The benefits of making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all autos in the United States are obvious to Americans: consumers save money; we reduce our dangerous reliance on Middle Eastern oil, making us more secure in the world; air pollution is reduced; and we can cut the U.S. contribution to global warming by nearly a third. Greater fuel efficiency makes sense, it is technologically possible, the benefits are real and the challenges can be overcome. Where in the basic definitions of capitalism does price gouging even exist? This seems like people are putting a moral demand on companies not to profit as much as the market will bear. Sounds sort of socialist to me... I personally think that capitalism is a lousy system of economics because it discourages human compassion if properly practiced. It just happens that most other systems tried have turned out even worse in practice, so a somewhat regulated system of capitalism seems to be the least worst option at this point. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing
I should have added, they are capacitor start motors. On 10/16/05, Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've done some research since yesterday, it appears that there aren't many TEFC motors below 1/4 hp - not affordable ones anyway. I found a 1/4 hp Grizzly TEFC motors on Amazon.com and you can also order them direct through Grizzly.com. Its $65 new through both. Seems like Grizzly designs or sources them for woodworking applications but, far as I can tell TEFC is TEFC. Take care, Ken On 10/15/05, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Dunn: certainly you are not the only one that can make good use of such tables or calculations. Hope some body can share info... Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing Hi all, Still gathering my parts for my processor. I found a 1 inch clear water pump that I'm going to use only for transferring the oil. I don't know if anyone has a Habitat for Humanity store near them but, they always have a bunch of motors and pumps at the one near me. Unfortunately, I can't find any used TEFC motors. I've resigned to buying a new TEFC motor for my stir processor. I'm going to be using a 55 gallon drum as my reactor. Looking at some of Todd Swearingen's diagrams and others, I think I should be able to get away with a 1/4 HP motor. A 1/3 HP motor is available locally but, I don't want to waste any energy or money. Anyone have any guidelines on motor sizes based on processing capacity? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing
I've done some research since yesterday, it appears that there aren't many TEFC motors below 1/4 hp - not affordable ones anyway. I found a 1/4 hp Grizzly TEFC motors on Amazon.com and you can also order them direct through Grizzly.com. Its $65 new through both. Seems like Grizzly designs or sources them for woodworking applications but, far as I can tell TEFC is TEFC. Take care, Ken On 10/15/05, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Dunn: certainly you are not the only one that can make good use of such tables or calculations. Hope some body can share info... Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing Hi all, Still gathering my parts for my processor. I found a 1 inch clear water pump that I'm going to use only for transferring the oil. I don't know if anyone has a Habitat for Humanity store near them but, they always have a bunch of motors and pumps at the one near me. Unfortunately, I can't find any used TEFC motors. I've resigned to buying a new TEFC motor for my stir processor. I'm going to be using a 55 gallon drum as my reactor. Looking at some of Todd Swearingen's diagrams and others, I think I should be able to get away with a 1/4 HP motor. A 1/3 HP motor is available locally but, I don't want to waste any energy or money. Anyone have any guidelines on motor sizes based on processing capacity? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD Progress Report
Good Day to All,
For the last3 months
or so I've been asking for help from list members and have never been let down.
Thank you one and all.
I started out making
biodiesel in 1L batches first virgin oil, then WVO. I scaled up to 10L, and
then 15L batches. All the while collecting 75 - 80L of oil from local
restaurants and the materials to build a larger processor.I
wasbiting at the bit to "go big time" ... 30, 40, 50 gallon
batches.
At each step there were
problems to overcome and for each problem solutions came from this list. I want
to:
1.Thank everyone for
their help.
2. Encourage people like
Kurt, Brian ,Chris and others
who are starting out with test batches. It can be
done.
My first large batch
(115L/30 gal) eventually washed, and when dried looked great. I had suspicions
about it because of emulsions during the wash. Iperformed quality tests on
the BDfollowing directions fromJtF ("Quality Tests").My BD was
not the high quality I had hoped for. There are problems to overcome at each
step.
I followed suggestions (thanks
again Keith) that were easily done: decrease batch volume, increase temp. a few
degrees, and increase reaction time. I've settled in to 76L (20 gal) batches
(which is plenty for my family). The BD produced passes "shake test" w. flying
colors and washes easily.
At first
Ipoured the BD into my heating oil tank about 200 gal heating oil
+ 50 gal BD. With another 50gal of BD and no diesel car, I decided to head to
flat, sunny Florida (USA). I found a1982 Mercedes-Benzturbo diesel
there.It was clean, rust-free, well maintained, and affordable. It
performed well on the 1350 mile trip home and I've been running it on BD100 for
over a month now. It likes it.
Thank you Mike W. , Robert
Luis R. , Joey H, Keith A, Jan W., Zeke Y. .Dave B, Fuelit, and all others
for your help and suggestions re: running car on BD.
If any of the other
newbies are still reading, I thought I'd throw in a few Quotes from friends and
aquaintances:
- "Tom is trying to make diesel fuel
from vegetable oil?
. yeah,
right."
- "If you can do it,
whydoesn't ..." (fill in the blank)
- "Turn off the car you're making me
hungry."
It can be done. Some
suggestions:
1. Focus on the info available at JtF. It's
all there. Any questions, just ask.
2. Be patient/do test batches, But DO IT
!!!
3. Start with good materials: fresh methanol
and lye and a GOOD BALANCE ("scale").
4. Perform a "shake test" (see JtF) on the BD
(separated from the glycerine) before washing.
5. You may (will) have to tweak the process
each time you scale up.
5. Remember: If Tom can do it youcan
too.
If the Mercedes can run
through our winters on BD, I Iook forward to getting another dieselthat
getsbetter mileage.
The BD seems to burn well
in my oil burner. I look forward to trying Bioheating oil. I may wait until
spring that way if I destroy the oil burner we won't freeze. Then
again 20 - 50 gal in a 250 gal tank should be OK, right?
Thanks to
all,
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
Hello Kurt Something I keep hitting over and over in all my prelim test batches (Still haven't made one any bigger than a liter...): How's your humidity, and are you absolutely certain that your weights for the lye are accurate? I was having some huge problems with emulsions on a shake test, and with the scale I just recently purchased (Jeweler's scale, up to 500g) I discovered just how inaccurate my old one was; I was using way too much lye, and taking far too long to measure it out. Good, I'll have an apology then thankyou. It was absorbing a great deal of water from the atmosphere (70%+ humidity is a constant here). Not very high. Don't you weigh it out into plastic bags? Easy to keep it dry once you get the knack of it. How big are your test batches? The full 2L capacity, or are you only doing 1L batches? I eventually moved to smaller batches so I could measure out my lye quicker, it helped a bit. Counter-productive, smaller measures mean less accurate measurements. Learn to keep the lye dry while measuring it out. My current test batches I mix up in a small 400mL Mason-type canning jar, 300mL of oil to about ? 75mL of Methanol, and just use a hot water bath to bring it to temperature, shake it for ten or fifteen minutes, put it back in the bath for ten, shake fifteen soak ten, and so on for about an hour and half. Produced some very clear, clean-looking results so far. . Have you tried heating up your wash water before doing the shake test? Room-temperature water, if you please. It's not just a school exam and all you have to do is pass it, never mind how. It's a quality control, on both your product and your processing. Room-temperature water. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ That also helped... I'm slowly, very slowly progressing back up to full sized test batches while I gather parts. Hoped some of this helps! -Kurt On 10/15/05, Peter Currie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil - supermarket virgin oil Deep cooker filled with water with thermo (bottling type to 120 deg. C ) Drill stand above 2Lt glass jar tall with narrow neck with screw top lid with hole for paint stirrer Have tried lots of combinations re mixing time (1hr to 2.5 hr) Mixing speed - slow to fast amounts of lye - 2.7g to 4.2g per lt amounts of methanol 200ml to 250ml per lt types of oil - canola , blended edible all say 100% unused After process the product separates nicely and after waiting 12-24 hours do shake test with rain water (all l have) usually it takes hours to separate with a thick layer in-between of white fluffy cloud like stuff (.5 inch thick) The pearl variety of lye dissolves quickly but is hazy whereas the flake is crystal clear. Am heating oil to 55 c then adding methoxide then stirring maint temp throughout. Have read and reread JTF site and archives but nothing leaps out as obvious, my process seems correct, my materials seem correct but l'm starting to feel Very stupid. Is there something on this side of the planet that l'm not aware of?. Also would be very keen to talk - SEE setup working in Melbourne Aust. I'm in the Dandenongs. Any advice would be appreciated, thankyou Regards Peter from Oz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems NO MORE
G'day Peter G'Day All Am elated and a little bit pissed that l havnt asked for help before. Following Kurts suggestion about Hot water to do shake test, went out to the shed (everyman needs a shed) and got sample, back inside, added hot water, watched telly for 2 mins, turned around and the b thing had settled like it never has b4. Over next 5-10 mins it settled to bio top, water below with a poofteenth white line inbetween which from readings is correct. Now why isnt this in standard recipe as l dont think it works for some with cold water and some with hot? Because Kurt's more of a newbie than you are and gave you lousy advice. The test is performed at ROOM TEMPERATURE with the quantities stipulated. l now presume that washing should be done with hot not cold water as well? (stir washing) It says at the Washing page that hot water works better, but you're getting confused, as I think Kurt is. he probably read that there and thought it applied to the wash-test. It doesn't apply to the wash-test or it'd say so. The purpose of washing is to your fuel, having made it according to the results of a test batch and a washing-test. With the washing test the purpose is NOT to wash the fuel and find the easiest way to do it, you're testing whether your fuel makes the grade or not. So now you've got it to separate, with hot water. You're doing well, keep going and you'll get it to separate with room-temperature water. l'm now going to stir wash the rest of this little sample with hot water and see what happens, Then go back to the beginning and start again. Best wishes Keith though l think l know what will, then l'll pester the tripe out of you for more advice whilst on the way to the biggies. thanks again Regards Peter from Oz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] typical newbie question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having just joined this list a few days ago. I've spent some time researching the archives, and have found some wonderful stuff. However, before I spend another few days googling, reading and such, perhaps I could save a lot of time by just asking the obvious. I have a fair amount of 'small engines'. Lots (relatively) of chainsaws. All modern Huskys, some law and garden equipment, of the 4stroke Briggs and Kohler type, a Honda powered genset with only 20 hours on it. other stuff. Poking about, it seems that ethanol would be the best alternative fuel for these engines. I'm trying to find information about running performance 2stroke engines on ethanol, as well as how to covert my old K321 Kohler in my dearly beloved John Deere 212 lg tractor. At this point, price really isn't an issue, as I still have a job. Right now, I should very much like to try and transistion to a fuel that has it's base in a sustainable technology. I've read that most of the bulk ethanol one can get, while suitable for motor fuel use, is derived from natural gas, and hence is hardly sustainable. Also, most of the chat I see is about methanol, as it pertains to the reacting of biodiesel. But methanol doesn't seem to be too well suited as a replacement motor fuel. Is there a stone or a primary resource for conversion of small engines 2 and 4 stroke to ethanol somewhere that I've missed? Any pointers appreciated greatly. Thanx in advance; - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDUnZv0STXFHxUucwRAjG1AJ9We0N9iFGyW3wUUTkhXv4thUjUrgCgmEOn t2JwCPil+FQ2+rz9wmkcUmI= =sMMN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had.My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel.I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy.No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them.OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies.The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries.This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here.I rattle on...MikeHakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms. M. Desprez ( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a cousin of mine) ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] source of methanol ca bay area
I have been trying go cart shops, hardwares stores does anyone know a source for methanol in San Jose, ca area. mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Start Up Problems NO MORE
G'Day All Am elated and a little bit pissed that l havnt asked for help before. Following Kurts suggestion about Hot water to do shake test, went out to the shed (everyman needs a shed) and got sample, back inside, added hot water, watched telly for 2 mins, turned around and the b thing had settled like it never has b4. Over next 5-10 mins it settled to bio top, water below with a poofteenth white line inbetween which from readings is correct. Now why isnt this in standard recipe as l dont think it works for some with cold water and some with hot? l now presume that washing should be done with hot not cold water as well? (stir washing) l'm now going to stir wash the rest of this little sample with hot water and see what happens, though l think l know what will, then l'll pester the tripe out of you for more advice whilst on the way to the biggies. thanks again Regards Peter from Oz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] results, now test
Hello Juan Hello everyone, finally i manage to make 2 liters of yellow-clear biodiesel, now I am wondering whether I should just put into my company diesel truck or wait. I am quite skeptical about this (sorry). I believe that it would work but if the engine breaks, I have to pay the whole truck. so I was wondering whether I should just use the biodiesel or do not. any Help . If you started here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start and made your test batch with virgin oil as described, the next step is to go HERE: Quality test http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ I need to stop this paranoia thanks in advance Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Imagine if we could invent grid tied PV systems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Weaver wrote: The power companies around here seem pretty anti-grid tie. I have BD generator because the power goes off so often. We're working on this legislatively in West Virginia, Sssh! Don't tell anyone! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDUlz30STXFHxUucwRAqLVAJ4xkvXFUekXS+/JU78bjMbfnXhfegCgkzVI 0w91N0lX+t4GAO+gGNVw2tk= =5lCv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
On 10/16/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in the basic definitions of capitalism does price gouging evenexist?This seems like people are putting a moral demand on companiesnot to profit as much as the market will bear. Sounds sort ofsocialist to me... I personally think that capitalism is a lousy system of economicsbecause it discourages human compassion if properly practiced.Itjust happens that most other systems tried have turned out even worsein practice, so a somewhat regulated system of capitalism seems to be the least worst option at this point. Americans are demanding regulation on companies because a vast majority of us are too lazy to actually get off our butts and do something ourselves. We don't want to make the sacrifices that would have to be made in order for us to exercise our half of the consumer/producer and supply/demand balances. Capitalism, technically, is at the mercy of the consumer. We as an American People could very, very easily force car companies to produce nothing but super-efficient, inexpensive cars, but doing so would force a lower standard of living and severely cripple the economy for the short period. Just. Stop. Buying. We are the consumer, and the power of the dollar is ours, not the businesses'. But then again, there I go ranting again about the Cater to my whims culture that my fellow Americans seem to have developed. Seems to have become epidemic in my rants lately. Oh well, back to biking. ;p -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] results, now test
Hello everyone, finally i manage to make 2 liters of yellow-clear biodiesel, now I am wondering whether I should just put into my company diesel truck or wait. I am quite skeptical about this (sorry). I believe that it would work but if the engine breaks, I have to pay the whole truck. so I was wondering whether I should just use the biodiesel or do not. any Help . I need to stop this paranoia thanks in advance JuanOn 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rain has stopped and the skies are clearingTomorrow is another day.Thanks for all your help.Brian RodgersOn 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tight while working. Brian Rodgers Best of luck to ya, once more. And now I need to get back to work before they decided I'm not earning my pay. ;p-Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
Everything sounds good, although perhaps you could use 2.5 gms lye. Why? Best Keith My thinking was that lye amount might be the cause, and he had varied on the high side but not the low side. (Perhaps his scale is off?) Just a thought, since he was using virgin oil. Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems
Hellom Chris Everything sounds good, although perhaps you could use 2.5 gms lye. Why? Best Keith My thinking was that lye amount might be the cause, Yes. and he had varied on the high side but not the low side. (Perhaps his scale is off? By about 30% either way. ) Just a thought, since he was using virgin oil. Makes sense, but the answer is to correct the chaotic scales or whatever, not the constants of the reaction to suit the scales. Best wishes Keith Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines
On 10/16/05, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a rotary engine that doest take those delicate graphite seals?Long story shortI had one via my lil brother that only had 1 working cell and still putout enough HP to go85mph.Jeromie From what I understand, a rotary engine is actually a step down in thermal efficiency; maybe it's just the materials used, but I seem to hear something about how they may have more power density, but their thermal efficiency suffers too much to really make them widespread. Maybe when rotaries have more research put into them like the piston engine has they'll meet and even exceed the efficiency and power density of reciprocating piston engines, but right now I don't believe they're there yet. Besides which they are, as you have just implied, rather delicate as opposed to the near brash ruggedness of a RP engine. Personally I'm a gas turbine fan, but I don't see them overtaking everything and replacing all other engines anytime soon, so I figured I might as well get with something people are a little more familiar with. ;p -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Copper tubing and methanol
Kurt, I've read that copper causes biodiesel to oxidize so the copper tubing is probably out. The reason I looked this up is because i have considered using a 50 gallon water heater as my processor, but the cheaper models have copper heating elements. The higher end ones have stainless steel heating elements, but they cost nearly twice as much on the preliminary research I have done. Oh, by the way I found a methanol supplier in Anderson that sells methanol in gallon quantities for $3.50. If you are interested let me know and I'll give you the phone number. Good luck! Bobby ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxide solution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a less hazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'd still like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lid without too much wasted energy? Take care, Ken PS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas (one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work digging those holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearranged the vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes and early spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. There is almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extra charge that I'll have tomorrow. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] source of methanol ca bay area
Mike, Please see http://www.brenntag.com/ They have 4 sales depots in Calif. You will have to start your own business and get a tax ID to purchase from them. After that you can get a great deal on High grade catalysts and Methanol. If you wish to purchase acid I suggest you try NW Scientific for 98% or better grade, again you need to be a business. Sole Proprietor works. Thats where I go I would be interested if there are other cheaper (2.65 Gallon/ 5 ITEM purchase at least one drum) sources with less Homeland Security hassles. Good Luck Jim michael skinner wrote: I have been trying go cart shops, hardwares stores does anyone know a source for methanol in San Jose, ca area. mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Prairie Grove, Ark. My dad got a BS in Business (56?) and never looked back. Seen the business end of too many miles, I guess. I spent a lot of time in Fayetteville. Pretty country. Still have family there - used to summer at Devil's Den state park - laje weddngton - it goes on. Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms. M. Desprez ( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a
Re: [Biofuel] typical newbie question.
Hi Chip Chip Mefford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having just joined this list a few days ago. I've spent some time researching the archives, and have found some wonderful stuff. However, before I spend another few days googling, reading and such, perhaps I could save a lot of time by just asking the obvious. I have a fair amount of 'small engines'. Lots (relatively) of chainsaws. All modern Huskys, some law and garden equipment, of the 4stroke Briggs and Kohler type, a Honda powered genset with only 20 hours on it. other stuff. Poking about, it seems that ethanol would be the best alternative fuel for these engines. I'm trying to find information about running performance 2stroke engines on ethanol, as well as how to covert my old K321 Kohler in my dearly beloved John Deere 212 lg tractor At this point, price really isn't an issue, as I still have a job. Right now, I should very much like to try and transistion to a fuel that has it's base in a sustainable technology. I've read that most of the bulk ethanol one can get, while suitable for motor fuel use, is derived from natural gas, and hence is hardly sustainable. Methanol that comes from natural gas, but it also can be made from wood - a renewable resource. Ethanol is an alcohol derived from yeast after fermentation. Also, most of the chat I see is about methanol, as it pertains to the reacting of biodiesel. But methanol doesn't seem to be too well suited as a replacement motor fuel. Is there a stone or a primary resource for conversion of small engines 2 and 4 stroke to ethanol somewhere that I've missed? The JtF web site has some neat stuff for using Bio diesel as the Oil in two strokes. There are some minor adjustments to the carb for ethanol (jetting) and I think you have to change the float material mabey some one else could help here. Luck Jim Any pointers appreciated greatly. Thanx in advance; - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDUnZv0STXFHxUucwRAjG1AJ9We0N9iFGyW3wUUTkhXv4thUjUrgCgmEOn t2JwCPil+FQ2+rz9wmkcUmI= =sMMN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Copper tubing and methanol
Hello Bobby, Copper coils are used for oxidation of methanol to formaldehyyde which itself will oxidise further. if you are selecting stainless steel ignore initial higher as it is the appropriate material to use and it will be more economical long term. Air conditioner cooling tubes made of copper corroded within a few months informicacidic environment at a factory here in malaysia. In my experience SS316 will be fine. Cheers, ManickhBobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt,I've read that copper causes biodiesel to oxidize so the copper tubing is probably out. The reason I looked this up is because i have considered using a 50 gallon water heater as my processor, but the cheaper models have copper heating elements. The higher end ones have stainless steel heating elements, but they cost nearly twice as much on the preliminary research I have done.Oh, by the way I found a methanol supplier in Anderson that sells methanol in gallon quantities for $3.50. If you are interested let me know and I'll give you the phone number.Good luck!Bobby___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Copper tubing and methanol
So I guess I ought to rethink my design for a still to reclaim my methanol from the glycerine byproduct. I've just filled a small drum, and was thinking of getting into separating my methanol back. Thought I had everything almost in place. Back to START... doug swanson Manick Harris wrote: Hello Bobby, Copper coils are used for oxidation of methanol to formaldehyyde which itself will oxidise further. if you are selecting stainless steel ignore initial higher as it is the appropriate material to use and it will be more economical long term. Air conditioner cooling tubes made of copper corroded within a few months in formic acidic environment at a factory here in malaysia. In my experience SS316 will be fine. Cheers, Manickh */Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Kurt, I've read that copper causes biodiesel to oxidize so the copper tubing is probably out. The reason I looked this up is because i have considered using a 50 gallon water heater as my processor, but the cheaper models have copper heating elements. The higher end ones have stainless steel heating elements, but they cost nearly twice as much on the preliminary research I have done. Oh, by the way I found a methanol supplier in Anderson that sells methanol in gallon quantities for $3.50. If you are interested let me know and I'll give you the phone number. Good luck! Bobby ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
Hi Ken, Since your solution is probably alcoholic,and you want to minimise evaporationn may I suggest a sturdy PE container with fitting lid. Tha SS could be put to another use. My 2c worth. ManickhKen Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that Ididn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The innerdiameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxidesolution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a lesshazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'dstill like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lidwithout too much wasted energy?Take care,KenPS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas(one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work diggingthose holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearrangedthe vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes andearly spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. Thereis almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extracharge that I'll have tomorrow.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
Hi Ken, No doubt you are sure it is SS and not aluminum. If your not sure you will want to be sure (aluminum is a no no). I would use it for your reactor and fashion a nice lid from plastic. Like Manickh said the alcoholic kind needs to be more than a lid - a tight lid. Best of luck Jim Manick Harris wrote: Hi Ken, Since your solution is probably alcoholic,and you want to minimise evaporationn may I suggest a sturdy PE container with fitting lid. Tha SS could be put to another use. My 2c worth. Manickh */Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxide solution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a less hazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'd still like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lid without too much wasted energy? Take care, Ken PS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas (one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work digging those holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearranged the vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes and early spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. There is almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extra charge that I'll have tomorrow. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Copper tubing and methanol
Hi Des, This is my idea for a recovery still, *keep in mind I have not actually used it yet so it may not work but it might give you some ideas.* I got some SS tubing 1/4 and bent it in a zig zag for about 2', took 4 PVC and put a 1/4 hole in each end and a 3/4 NPT top and bottom on the side. I then used marine epoxy to seal the tube in each end. I then took pvc threaded fittings and glue threaded them in and got garden hose connectors for each. to recover the methanol I will hook up a PVC venturi to the hose then run the exhaust water into the PVC pipe and on to the garden from there. The venturi creates the vacume for the system. I hook a clear hose to the recovery vessel to the SS tubing then recover out the bottom VIA a tee to a collector. (the other side of tee is to venturi vacume hose) The Exhaust water will cool the methanol gas into liquid where it should drop out. I may have made this harder than it has to be and would also like to here if there is a better way to do this. Jim des wrote: So I guess I ought to rethink my design for a still to reclaim my methanol from the glycerine byproduct. I've just filled a small drum, and was thinking of getting into separating my methanol back. Thought I had everything almost in place. Back to START... doug swanson Manick Harris wrote: Hello Bobby, Copper coils are used for oxidation of methanol to formaldehyyde which itself will oxidise further. if you are selecting stainless steel ignore initial higher as it is the appropriate material to use and it will be more economical long term. Air conditioner cooling tubes made of copper corroded within a few months in formic acidic environment at a factory here in malaysia. In my experience SS316 will be fine. Cheers, Manickh */Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Kurt, I've read that copper causes biodiesel to oxidize so the copper tubing is probably out. The reason I looked this up is because i have considered using a 50 gallon water heater as my processor, but the cheaper models have copper heating elements. The higher end ones have stainless steel heating elements, but they cost nearly twice as much on the preliminary research I have done. Oh, by the way I found a methanol supplier in Anderson that sells methanol in gallon quantities for $3.50. If you are interested let me know and I'll give you the phone number. Good luck! Bobby ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
No, its definitely Stainless. I have worked for years with both. I tight lid is what I'm lookng for. I can certainly make a air tight lid. I just don't want to over do it. Take care, Ken On 10/16/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, No doubt you are sure it is SS and not aluminum. If your not sure you will want to be sure (aluminum is a no no). I would use it for your reactor and fashion a nice lid from plastic. Like Manickh said the alcoholic kind needs to be more than a lid - a tight lid. Best of luck Jim Manick Harris wrote: Hi Ken, Since your solution is probably alcoholic,and you want to minimise evaporationn may I suggest a sturdy PE container with fitting lid. Tha SS could be put to another use. My 2c worth. Manickh */Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxide solution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a less hazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'd still like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lid without too much wasted energy? Take care, Ken PS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas (one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work digging those holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearranged the vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes and early spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. There is almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extra charge that I'll have tomorrow. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid
Should have said An air tight lid...: On 10/17/05, Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, its definitely Stainless. I have worked for years with both. I tight lid is what I'm lookng for. I can certainly make a air tight lid. I just don't want to over do it. Take care, Ken On 10/16/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, No doubt you are sure it is SS and not aluminum. If your not sure you will want to be sure (aluminum is a no no). I would use it for your reactor and fashion a nice lid from plastic. Like Manickh said the alcoholic kind needs to be more than a lid - a tight lid. Best of luck Jim Manick Harris wrote: Hi Ken, Since your solution is probably alcoholic,and you want to minimise evaporationn may I suggest a sturdy PE container with fitting lid. Tha SS could be put to another use. My 2c worth. Manickh */Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2 inches. I was planning to use it for a stock methoxide solution but, if I can't come up with a lid I'll have to find a less hazardous use for it. Maybe there is a better use for it anyway...I'd still like a lid. Anyone have any ideas how to create a simple lid without too much wasted energy? Take care, Ken PS: I really busted my hump today in the gardens. We found 5 hostas (one of which was HUGE) on our local FreeCycle. Lots of work digging those holes. I also moved a bunch of other perennials and rearranged the vegetable garden to build my mini hoop house for late tomatoes and early spring crops. I am so tired I could fall asleep typing. There is almost nothing more rewarding, though! I can't wait for the extra charge that I'll have tomorrow. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
