Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Kirk McLoren
The scary warning I am hearing is aspirin weakens blood vessels in the eye rendering you possibly blind if you fall or otherwise subject the eye to trauma. I am told Ginko does not do that and offers all the blood thinning of aspirin for those taking aspirin for cardio benefit.KirkTerry Dyck

[Biofuel] Pirates of the Mediterranean--still another wake-up call

2006-10-03 Thread D. Mindock
September 30, 2006 Op-Ed Contributor Pirates of the Mediterranean By ROBERT HARRIS Kintbury, England IN the autumn of 68 B.C. the world's only military superpower was dealt a profound psychological blow by a daring terrorist attack on its very heart. Rome's port at Ostia was set on fire, the

Re: [Biofuel] MONTANA - TURNING POINT FOR CHANGE?

2006-10-03 Thread PAUL MILLER
- Original Message - From: JJJN To: BIO Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] MONTANA - TURNING POINT FOR CHANGE? I may be wrong - As I understand it - Montana could be the location of the shootout between the advocates of change and the

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
D. Mindock wrote: Bob, How many people have herbs (or supplements, essential oils, vitamins) killed vs Prescrip drugs? I don't have any data, do you. In my personal experience 0 for 0. But in reality that is an unfair question. The fair question would be what is the therapeutic ratio of

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
MK DuPree wrote: Hang in there D. Not sure Bob can ever wrap his microscope sorry, I don't use them around what you're saying, but maybe one day, when he takes one Big Pharma too many and a side effect becomes a major effect that makes him wonder why that isolated molecule combined with

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Guys, can't we get past testimonies for evidence? Terry Dyck wrote: Hi Bob, Many herbs have been used in parts of Europe, Asia, South America and by Northern American Natives for thousands of years. so? Ayurvedic doctors of India have studied herbs for centuries and they drink

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Kirk McLoren wrote: The scary warning I am hearing is aspirin weakens blood vessels in the eye rendering you possibly blind if you fall or otherwise subject the eye to trauma. I am told Ginko does not do that teswtimonial and offers all the blood thinning of aspirin for those taking

Re: [Biofuel] Automakers Targeted by Lawsuit in California

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hey Weaver let me know how it feels with the oversize injectors. I'm wondering about torque steer issues will all the extra ponies. I'm thinking of doing the same with mine but it is just stock now. I understand you get more bang (no pun) for your buck with the upsized injectors and stock ECU

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Bob; I said it before and I'll say it again. Who's gonna spend the money to scientifically prove something they cannot control, works? Just for this reason there isn't much to go on but testimony. However the corollary, someone with a lot of money, and who stands to lose a lot would see it

[Biofuel] Study finds higher yields and lower costs with organic cotton than Bt

2006-10-03 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:51:33 EDT Subject: Study finds higher yields and lower costs with organic cotton in India GM WATCH daily http://www.gmwatch.org --- --- With India's endebted cotton farmers taking their own lives in ever increasing numbers after being ruined by

[Biofuel] Fwd: Medium Grain California Rice may be Contaminated - Japan to start testing

2006-10-03 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:27:45 EDT Subject: Medium Grain California Rice may be Contaminated - Japan to start testing .LL601 is probably in Californian rice as well Dr Brian John From an examination of the Bayer 1998 petition for the deregulation of LL62 and LL06

[Biofuel] Fwd: Rice Industry: Keep GE Varieties in the Lab By Jeffrey M. Smith

2006-10-03 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:47:11 EDT Subject: Rice Industry: Keep GE Varieties in the LabBy Jeffrey M. Smith Spilling the Beans, October 2006 http://www.seedsofdeception.com/utility/showPage/index.cfm?objectID=g mfree,4990Subscribe to e-newsletter Spilling the Beans

[Biofuel] Fwd: False GM-free certification for US rice in EU -Call to stop all rice imports

2006-10-03 Thread Keith Addison
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:17:04 EDT Subject: False GM-free certification for US rice in EU -Call to stop all rice imports GM WATCH daily http://www.gmwatch.org --- --- 1.The GM rice farce continues - The Guardian 2.False GM-free certification for US rice - Greenpeace

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Joe Street wrote: Hi Bob; I said it before and I'll say it again. Who's gonna spend the money to scientifically prove something they cannot control, conversely, why try to provide reproducible data when testimony sells? works? Just for this reason there isn't much to go on but

[Biofuel] Secrets, and the obvious, revealed

2006-10-03 Thread D. Mindock
http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-et-book2oct02,0,3791549.story?co... Secrets, and the obvious, revealed Bob Woodward's third book about the current administration reveals that when it comes to the Bush White House and its war in Iraq, things are pretty much what they seem.

[Biofuel] Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford

2006-10-03 Thread Keith Addison
http://eatthestate.org/ Eat the State! (September 14, 2006) Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread DHAJOGLO
If I recall, the US went to war with Iraq because they were hiding WMD's from the inspectors. Iraq would not let the inspectors into the weapons facilities. Based on that, shouldn't we go to war with the DOE, or, at the very least, Washington state? They are clearly hiding a large dirty bomb

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hey Bob; Ever been under general anaesthesia? Remember how you felt when you came around? Did you puke? Like the worst hangover you ever had? Now you're gonna argue with me that recovering from a wound isn't gonna be easier without having to deal with being poisoned to the brink of death for

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread MK DuPree
But does it piss you...or any of us...off enough to do something that really matters??? I'm not judging, just truly asking, because I'm just as guilty, if there is guilt to be placed, as the next guy. We talk, we rant, we rave...and the crap keeps piling up. Who will do what is truly

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Howdy Joe, is this your support for the efficacy of acupuncture? sure there are side effects from the use of general anesthesia, but that is not the discussion here. You made a claim that major operations are done using only acupuncture as the anesthetic. I personally doubt it but am open

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hey man calm down. What do you mean by 'risk all' or 'ultimate necessary act'. You're setting off alarm bells down at the NSA. Ever been to Cuba? I hear it's nice this time of year.if you like hurricanes and beatings. How about we all just go down and march around with words painted on our

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Ok Bob, maybe you'll like this: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ap/ni/2002/0016/0004/art01145 I hope that is scientific enough for you on the efficacy issue, but my point was that if surgery can be performed without anaesthetic it's got to be better. I am told by Chinese

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread DHAJOGLO
Ah yes, I nearly always forget to answer with my proper name: Dave. But you can call me dhajoglo for short. And what the heck does DHAJOGLO stand for??? My name is Mike DuPree. I live in Lawrence, Kansas. I'm going outside now. - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
MK DuPree wrote: snip wow, I've become an archetype, even an cultural icon. :-) We've become like the Bob's of the world, lost all our sense of awe. oh, that's just awefull -- Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Joe Street wrote: Ok Bob, maybe you'll like this: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ap/ni/2002/0016/0004/art01145 much better, but a far cry from supporting your claim that major surgery is done with only acupuncture as an anesthetic. The abstract describes a method of observing

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hey that's a nifty bit of editing you did there Bob!  I like the way you cut it off just before the bit that said the actual acupuncture affected the activation level of the sensory cortex significantly MORE than the sham group .here "However, real EA elicited significantly higher

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread bob allen
Joe Street wrote: Hey that's a nifty bit of editing you did there Bob! I like the way you cut it off just before the bit that said the actual acupuncture affected the activation level of the sensory cortex significantly MORE than the sham group .here However, real EA elicited

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Street
Hi Bob; Sorry for the cheap shot I thought you would take it as good natured humour which is the way it was intended. Well I'm no neurologist but I thought the sensory motor cortex is where a lot of that sensation stuff goes on.  I know this because my daughter has partial seizures in that

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799443241400641366q=acupunctureOpen heart surgery with only acupuncture as anesthetic.Kirkbob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Street wrote: Ok Bob, maybe you'll like this:

[Biofuel] Clean diesels

2006-10-03 Thread Mike Weaver
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2006-10-03-diesels-usat_x.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread Mike Weaver
Proof schmoof. I'm here to tell you it works. I pricked my finger on a spindle and slept for 99 days. -W Joe Street wrote: Hi Bob; Sorry for the cheap shot I thought you would take it as good natured humour which is the way it was intended. Well I'm no neurologist but I thought the

[Biofuel] Hypnosis as anesthesia

2006-10-03 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2263950358152051417q=erickson About 14 minutes in a woman having nose broken and reconstructive surgery sans chemical anesthesia. Erickson is a grand master of hypnosis. Rare video - save this.Kirk All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful

Re: [Biofuel] Hypnosis as anesthesia

2006-10-03 Thread MK DuPree
Hi Kirk...thanks for sending this along. I'm definitely saving. There's much more to this than the woman's nose etc. I thought of our new self-described archetype and cultural icon, Bob, when I heard the words attributed to Erickson: "Not everything you see is the way you see it is." Of

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread MK DuPree
Jeez Joe...if your intent is to save me from "setting off alarm bells down at the NSA" for emailing words like "risk all" or "ultimate necessary act," why are you reiterating these words? And why are you asking me what I mean by these words? Now I AM having difficulty calming down.For the

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Rice Industry: Keep GE Varieties in the Lab By Jeffrey M. Smith

2006-10-03 Thread D. Mindock
Keith, I emailed CNN.com and asked for Lou Dobbs to do a segment on this. Most Americans have no clue as to the seriousness of GM crops. Perhaps if a few more on the list would do this CNN might respond. Forwarding the email address below to friends and family would help even more. I put the

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread D. Mindock
I met a guy last week at the local university who had just visited Cuba. He said "Cubans are a very happy people. They have nothing much. They derive their happiness from their relationships, basically." We here in America have everything, in comparison. But things do not bring happiness.

Re: [Biofuel] testimonials as proof

2006-10-03 Thread D. Mindock
I saw a documentary last year on acupuncture. I saw a guy flat on his back in the OR with his lower abdomen wide open. He was talking to the surgical team as they worked on him. I myself have had acupuncture for a several different problems. One was where I burst the bursar sacs (I heard the

Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River,

2006-10-03 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
From everything I have read, Cuba is a true success story .. an almost tribal concept .. A good thing. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior

Re: [Biofuel] Hypnosis as anesthesia

2006-10-03 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Wow .. sorry folks, I started deleting those testimonies posts because no one will ever convince a closed mind and I personally never much cared for spitting into the wind. There are some people who are just happy to be the center of attention .. such a sorry life for those being so needy. I

Re: [Biofuel] Hypnosis as anesthesia

2006-10-03 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Wow .. sorry folks, I started deleting those testimonies posts because no one will ever convince a closed mind and I personally never much cared for spitting into the wind. There are some people who are just happy to be the center of attention .. such a sorry life for those being so needy. I

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was Testimonials as Evidence)

2006-10-03 Thread Kurt Nolte
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Wow .. sorry folks, I started deleting those testimonies posts because no one will ever convince a closed mind and I personally never much cared for spitting into the wind. Sorry folks, but this one hit my radar pretty hard, and I felt compelled to speak like I so