Keith, as you know, I'm on web-only delivery for the messages at this
list, unless I email them to myself first. So because I dont have this
stuff archived in my Eudora mail reader program, I just went through
and cut-and-pasted into Word all the messages from the past week
that you're asking
What I do is to calibrate the water heater first, from a smaller
measuring container, and set a mark on the sight tube (or on the pump
output/sight tube ifyou don't have a separate sight tube) when I've
reached the quantity that I think the water heater will handle.
I use the calibrated
If you read the original long www.veggieavenger.com/media thread on
the Appleseed (keith please link this thread from the journeytoforever
article it's derived from), you will find an even cooler discovery
that someone else made: the Pathtofreedom.com folks use their carboys
to prime the
When are you going to post (somewhere) some photos of this cabinet
system of yours? please?
Mark
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
All this came about by following your recommendations and hints, G-
Mark. The gravity feed
Hey, thank you very much for the kind words, but it's not just me who
designed that system by any stretch. Lots and lots of
Hello Al,
My comments between yours below...
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, pcambulance2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I am a newbie to this site. I am located in Louisiana and
looking for lots of guidance on setting up my own system. I have
been on several sites. Initially I
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
settled soap murky water (looked like melted marshmallows).
that's what emulsion looks like. Do you have as much biodiesel as you
started with?
mark
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They make good wash tanks for really large processors. AT the Berkeley
Biodiesel Coop we also used two of them to store several batches
before washing- we'd make several batches and put them into the first
IBC, let them settle for a couple of weeks while we filled the second
IBC (settling
I can't believe Im resopnding to this when I've got a plane to catch
today, but...
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, ardis streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,all ' I was wondering if anyone could tell me
which way might be best for washing large batches of
biodiesel??
either mistwash
Biodiesel Homebrew Comprehensive Class, July 11, 10-6 pm,
Pasadena, Maryland (about an hour from Washington DC)
an east-coast/west-coast biodiesel teachers collaboration:
taught by Rachel Burton and Leif Forer of Piedmont Biofuels
(Pittsboro North Carolina) and the Central Carolina Community
I thibnk that's a great idea. Get started making fuel first, though,
so you thorouoghly understand all the options for processors.
There;s a serious lack of good steel conical bottom tanks available,
and I encourage anyone like you to make them for others.
You're welcome to use the plumbing
read the equipment forum it came from- www.veggieavenger.com/media
-there are a few people on there who have posted with photos of their
version. I know of about 20 or 25 of these in operation.
Mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, linden duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mark,
I looked
well, thanks for taking an educated guess anyway, certainly sounds
plausible!
It's a rumor I'd heard on a list somewhere, for why it is that
restaurants bother with the hydrogenated stuff. It's probably out
there on google somewhere.
By the way, with the high price of soy (hydrogenated frytol
to elaborate on that a little (since I own one of these vehicles)
Elsbett has recommended not converting vehicles equipped with
Stanodyne pumps to SVO. (this came from Aleksander Noack
directly, not sure if it's on their website or not)
we had a LOT of failures (ie 7 or 8 now?) with these
I'm not sure where he's getting the following numbers:
If the amount of fuel being washed in the top right row was
1,000 gallons and the water were to be discarded after each
wash, there would be 4,000 gallons of waste water
Even the resolute non-recycling mistwashers don't report such
you can also do a 'soap test' titration to look for soap in the
biodiesel, this titration being with hydrochloric acid regent using
bromophenol blue as an indicator. I don't have the formula on
hand on how to calculate the amount of soap from the titration- I
do it for a different purpose
I sometimes also get that 'salt' looking thing that Pieter is talking
about. Mine falls out at the end of the acid stage if I let it sit for a
few days.
mark
- I can't imagine anything that would separate the
NaOH unless you didn't mix it thoroughly in the first place. Acid
would separate
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, lovemydiesel2003
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the info. I have already printed out the Methoxide the
easy way from Journey to Forever but still need to study it a bit
more but that is also what I had in mind for the methoxide. I will
be doing it in
I'm currently building a metal beer keg reactor, with the idea that
it's a design for a small starter reactor that can later be turned
into a methoxide mixer once the owner upgrades to a bigger processor.
oh and 'lovemydiesel'- I use HDPE carboys' for methoxide mixing, and
use the 'methoxide
Ive thought about this a lot because sometimes I find solar hot water
storage tanks that are 'electric assist', and those always only have
an upper heating element only, which is too high up in the tank to
stay covered in oil (and would therefore burn out if left exposed-
heating elements
x-charset ISO-8859-1different Santa Cruz than he's speaking of- we have one
in California
as well!
I actually thought about that confusion when I posted my message-
that there's a place called Santa Cruz almost everywhere that the
Spanish have been. I should have spelled out the CA as
x-charset ISO-8859-1I';m definitely going to go do a tucson class, just
haven't decided
exactly when. I'm thinking late April or early May. Last time I did a
class in Tucson it was several years ago and we somehow got 30 people
to attend, so there's definitely interest.
Mark
--- In
was normal quality.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
skillshare wrote:
Griffin's fuel is unusable as B100 in most climates in the
winter, at
least the samples of it that I've seen so far. It forms crystals
at
45F, which are big enough to block onboard
x-charset ISO-8859-1Griffin's fuel is unusable as B100 in most climates in
the winter, at
least the samples of it that I've seen so far. It forms crystals at
45F, which are big enough to block onboard fuel filters. Even in the
San Francisco Bay Area, a very mild climate, it's too gel-prone
x-charset ISO-8859-1It was not Griffin that had the bad batch, it as another
supplier
(Imperian Western Products). Griffin fuel was fine as far as meeting
specifications, it happens to also have a high gel point. Gel point
is not on the ASTM specs as a pass-fail number.
the gel point thing
x-charset ISO-8859-1If that group was [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which still turns up
at
the internet searches once in a while), that was three years ago (it
was me and a few people) and is not still in existence.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello. I'm
x-charset ISO-8859-1--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Pieter Koole [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I thought that NaOH and methanol should not be mixed too long
before use.
This is a widespread myth... if you keep it closed tight it's fine
keeping methoxide for long periods of time. Just
x-charset ISO-8859-1Thanks for pointing that washing misinformation out.
There's so much
bad info on that website.
The problem with not washing till the water is clear, is that it's
harder to get the biodiesel to go 'clear' as well (if there's still
soap left in the biodiesel). Murky
x-charset ISO-8859-1--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pathtofreedom [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Transesterification Can Be Fun: Biodiesel in LA
by Jennifer Murphy Sunday February 01, 2004 01:56 PM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(posted at: http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/02/102199.php )
What fuel is
x-charset ISO-8859-1--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Paul B.Schmidt [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
wrote:
One more for the night... :)
I've heard things from time to time about legal this and not legal
that. I tried searching the archives for some hard data but was
overwhelmed with my search
x-charset ISO-8859-1Tom, you're definitely reading it wrong, and you've been
corrected on
this at infopop by Ken Provost. It's 'per quarter', which makes it
1600 gallons per year..
Mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Got to correct one error that has been repeated
x-charset ISO-8859-1NAFT Gas in Fairfax, CA, just north of SF, just stopped
selling
biodiesel, which they had been conveniently offering for about 6
months.
I thought there were some interesting lessons in the whole story
behind this pump- the interaction between the enthusiasts of our
x-charset ISO-8859-1The other place to easily upload photos of equipment
(especially if
you're like me, and rarely get it together to write it up as an
actual 'article' to present on a 'real' website) is at
www.veggieavenger.com/media .
Veggieavenger forum was originally a discussion forum
Quote from the NBB's Joe Jobe:
I understand you have concerns about the structure of NBB, our
health effects access policy, our focus on blend markets, and that
NBB does not represent all biodiesel stakeholders. I think that some
of those sentiments may not be completely unjustified.
I made fuel this way, in plastic buckets, for hundreds of gallons
and thousands of miles. Just make sure there's a good lid
between any sparks from the drill and the bucket full of
methanol-containing biodiesel.
I heated oil on the stove (kitchen stove or a propane camp stove)
in a 5-gallon
hell, let's just drive down to LA (on cheap biodiesel) for the
conference at the end of the month and pick some up then. Save
you a LOT of freight that way. Anyone else in the Bay Area
interested in this?
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 1/2/04
Keith,
great job on the 5 galon bucket processor. I made hundreds of
gallons with something similar because I didn't have a house
with a yard- and the buckets all stack in a closet after you're
done, or fit in the trunk of a car if they need to be transported. IT's
a good system.
But I don't
Hi all,
I am running a 'thread' on the Veggieavenger biodiesel photo
forum about Tankenstein, the monstrously ugly 120-gallon water
heater processor I just built. It's not super exciting or very
different than my $150 Fumeless designs, but I expect to keep
documenting and posting a few
When it's 105F in the summertime it's plenty hot to get fumes
(well not boiling white fumes or anything, but certainly methanol
in the air) above the biodiesel in a bucket. I know this because i
occasionally get sloppy and have 'dregs' of biodiesel/byproduct
sitting around in buckets , and
Been talking about this offlist with Jon Van Gerpen of Iowa State
University. I sent him my Conversation with the EPA Tome. Here's
some more info. I actually had brought up with Jim Caldwell the
lowest possible biodiesel viscosity issue as compared with the lower
temps of diesel's viscosity- but
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm looking for a place to buy methanol online? I found one
place,
I usually look in the phone book for wholesale gas distributors
and for hot rod/performance places- sometimes racecar engine
builders will order a drum or
Whoops, I screwed up my post to Todd about reverse reaction,
and it's super confusing as a result.
I said:
Reverse reaction: I'm talking about Neutral from the infopop
forum and others who have had glycerol completely disappear
under the following conditions: Neutral was running methanol
this is before I worked with the hot water heaters.I't's a
drum-based tank (110 gallons, two drums welded together) ,
identical to previous partly-sealed processors of mine but more
tightly sealed. I didn't say aeration either.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy
[EMAIL
this is before I worked with the hot water heaters.I't's a
drum-based tank (110 gallons, two drums welded together) ,
identical to previous partly-sealed processors of mine but more
tightly sealed. I didn't say aeration either.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy
[EMAIL
I called Jim Caldwell at the EPA today to talk about the
classification of biodiesel within the EPA registration process (ie
whether it's classified as non-baseline or atypical), and to ask
about the possible small business producer exemptions for Tier
I/Tier II testing for EPA registration
You still weren't listening to what I said (in your hurry to disprove
it because I mentioned the awful, terrible name of 'infopop
biodiesel forum'. I don' t always agree with what Neutral reports
(or anyone else on any forum for that matter, you, me, ken,keith,
whomever, we all get confused
uni-directional.
The
energy required to attach a MeOH molecule to the fatty acid is
considerably
less than the energy required to re-attach the glycerol.
Todd Swearingen
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From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14
My understanding, and I've been told it's in the patent literature
somewhere, is that the reverse reaction is slow. But you can
actually get it to happen on a liter scale if you work at it hard
enough, and homebrewers have talked about this elsewhere.
The fact that it is slow is used to
I thought that the problem with excess methanol is that it's an
atmospheric pollutant- that when we compost glycerol or
somehow treat or release any wash water that contains volatile
methanol, the methanol evaporates into the atmosphere and
does some sort of damage there. I think someone
You are extemely wrong when you say that heat causes more
problems with emulsion (in fact you've told me yourself offlist that
you heated emulsions to break them, similar principle here) .
It's very much the other way around. Try it for yourself with some
test batches at different
Hi Keith and others,
I've got more info about the EPA registration issue and it's not
good. I sent the info that Keith compiled (
http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/27488/ ) to Jon Van
Gerpen of Iowa State University who then contacted the EPA
about the discrepancy in their
I'd like to know what you base this statement on.
mark
-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Once the
glycerol is cleaved it is out of the picture.
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From: skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: bad news about EPA registration Re: Commercial
production
Hi Keith and others,
I've got more info about the EPA
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Thor Skov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Here's my question though. I thought that US virgin
oil biodiesel production was largely a bi-product of
the soap industry. If true, I would expect this
by-product to be somewhat insulated from price shocks.
It;s a
It seems to have happened across the board. Imperial Western
raised prices recently, as did Biodiesel INdustries. I think it's just
'cause they can'. The market now bears a higher price.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Thor Skov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The price of World Energy's
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/5/2003 2:22:43 AM Central Standard
Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
is there any other way to minimise NOx
during combustion of bio diesel?
If your biodiesel is produced from waste vegetable oil, animal
You pretty much should do a titration, (journeytoforever.org of
course or go to groups.yahoo.com/group/biodiesel and search
for 'tailgate titration' which I think gives you simple instructions)
Then if your oil requires more lye than 3 ml or so, I'd suggest
trying a different sample of oil
I'm sorry, Dan, but in the real world, biodiesel doesn't lend itself
well to theory. You should just get into making small liter
batches, lots of people started this way and you;d get a lot further
this way then just trying to apply scientific theory on the internet
without making the stuff.
Phosphoric acid allegedly works for acid esterification. It's a
whole lot more expensive than sulfuric.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You also said that the acid base method _MUST_ be
done with sulfuric acid,
That's what it says, quite
You can poke holes in a plastic tube with a pin to make a
bubbler. with the ball inflator pin you're likely to get too much
agitation and make emulsion.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, the_maniacal_engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have read about sewage plants that use thick rubber
@yahoogroups.com, Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
skillshare said:
I think that the great thing that happened is thsat you posted
your
processes and tips for how to do it, to journeytoforever.org.
This
If you are refering to the transcript of the conversation with
theory on
making
I think that the great thing that happened is thsat you posted your
processes and tips for how to do it, to journeytoforever.org. This
made it a lot more accessible for more peopel and made it
seem much less difficult. There was always a lot of interest in
ethyl esters due to the
brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination. Brass
contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think) of
biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of biodiesel
as well, very quickly. go stainless.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, James Slayden
biodiesel?
Fred
On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare
wrote:
brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles is a terrible combination.
Brass
contains copper and zinc, both catalysts for oxidation (I think)
of
biodiesel. Air bubbling is one way to speed up breakdown of
biodiesel
would be a good gas to bubble through the
biodiesel. Nitrogen
does not strike me as a good one to use around glycerine,
and Hydrogen
would saturate any unsaturated biodiesel?
Fred
On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 14:07 US/Eastern, skillshare
wrote:
brass, biodiesel, and air bubbles
Quote:
This makes some things kind of tricky, but manageable for
sure. We certainly can't let the by-product sit out in the sun to
evaporate off
the methanol.
I just want to say that nowadays FEW of us recommend
evaporating the methanol off of the biodiesel or having open
containers
Counterflow (water-cooled) heat exchanger like the one stuck to
the side of Dale Scroggins processor at journeytoforever, or a
copper coil attached using flare fittings (look up what that means
theyr'e easy to make) or a car radiator with some valving to be
able to adjust the rate at which
If you use another type of pump other than a centrifugal like the
clear water pump, you definitely need to put in a sight tube
because the level in the pump line is sometimes not accurate
with other pumps. I had bad luck with cheap and small
mag-drive stuff, haven't checked the link you
I used the Veggieavenger forum to upload the design notes for
the processors I've been building. I've put together a few of these
now and they cost me about $120-$150, about one and a half
hours fo work, and use off-the-shelf parts from hardware stores
and two or so catalog places (plastics
Hi Handel,
you've made soap in the reprocess. It's common and annoying
but it happens. You can try the test with less lye- 1 gram per liter
instead of 3.5- and with less methanol so yu can see what you're
doing a little better (the methanol will dilute all that glycerine and
make it look
You have to put the address below into your browser window as
a cut and paste, just clicking on it might not work and brings up
another message instead. The Veggie Avenger board's been
deadish for a while now, (we have another forum in northern
california that's heavily used) but he just
Workshops!
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For more information and updates, see
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November 22 10 am ~ 4 pm
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Instructor: Steve Bash
At 8047 Dorian Way Fair Oaks, CA (Steve's Home)
On a slightly different note, is there anyone turning off the heat
entirely before adding the methoxide/ethanol equivalent? This would
be
ideal because it could eliminate the need to heat the mixing tank if
the
oil were pre-heated. (I'm particularly interested if this would work
for
any
There';s been a great series in Home Power magazine in the last few
issues about domestic soolar hot water, including some heat exchange
stuff. It's a good primer to what we're doing with heat exchangers.
That said, most heat exchangers are made of copper, which we should
stay away from for
I'd be interested to see what sort of soap production you get (you can
do the soap test with bromophenol blue indicator and hydrochloric acid
as described at the Leonardo site to get real numbers on this...). In
nicer oil like yours it's not a huge problem most likely, but
comparitively (ie
Please forward this message widely, the list below of hazards in the other
message is
very good. It all points to closed, and I mean really, really closed, systems-
preferably ones capable of containing some pressure. Working outdoors reduces
some of these risks but there's really no excuse
I teach all kinds of classes in biodiesel- everything from a 2-hour
presentation to a 3-month internship. I try to do workshops in
Northern California every six weeks or so (if you're local to
california, check for classes by signing on to the events listing=
Keith and anyone else-
Does anyone have any info bout how Elsbett's ENGINES work with cold
weather (ie not their conversion kits, but the SVO-compatibhle
engines they built in the past). Did they still recommend part
dinodiesel in winter, or did redesigning the engine itself help with
some
I would say, none of the above- and I'd go with Neoteric (biofuels.ca
I believe)!
that said, I've seen a lot of systems (I dont use SVO though) and
here's my opinion:
Elsbett- onetank system, not made for all vehicles (they won't touch
anything with a Stanodyne pump which means ford and
Chris,
Your volumes are too small for a full-scale continuous plant if my
sources of information are correct. I've studied this subject a bit
when looking at plant design for a friend ( the 'studied' was via
personal communication with a few people in commercial biodiesel and
process
Depends on the feed stock.
Mark
--- skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which acid-base method are you using?
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield
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wrote:
Hi All
Yes, the samples are being sent to a GC lab
on
Monday. The most
which acid-base method are you using?
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi All
Yes, the samples are being sent to a GC lab on
Monday. The most basic test is to boil to 60'C
cool and then freeze thaw. If the product does
not cloud and is pH
The issue isn't as bad as I might have made it sound. The problem with
copper is that it starts the breakdown process for biodiesel (I can't
remember if it's polymerisation or oxidation at the moment, I thikn
it's poilymerisation which would make these precautions apply to SVO
as well for
that';s what I'm asking you. What in house (or farmed-out) tests are
you doing that tell you that youre processes are achieving what you
want, and what is your finished fuel like in terms of testing?
You keep talking aobut 'crisp and clear' biodiesl at various early
stages of the process,
its at Home Depot and Ace Hardware- a quart bottle encased in a
plastic bag- nasty probably. ANyway one brand is Bull Dozer, they all
have different brand names and are apparently of differing purity. You
can call the company and find out exactly I believe. I don't remember
which other
PVC is considered a noncompatible material, however lots of people use
it without imediate problems. The main problem I've had with it is
that the PVC valves have plastic handles made of an even more
incompatible material- and those valve handles break (crack) with
exposure to biodiesel,
well, for starters, you COULD have actually found some oil that is
just that awful (that it needs at least 15 ml to turn the titration
pink). THave you tried this with a samplpe of a different oil? the
filtering won't do anything for FFA (free fatty acid- the chemical
you're looking for in
In California there is a permit and it's a department of motor
vehicles thing (cal is kind of known for legislating about virtually
everything). here you need a WVO hauler's permit which is $75 per
vehicle I think. I don't think most other states have bothered to
promulgate rules about this
Hmm,, I'm not sure how to respond. I assume you're talking about
neutralising, as it's rather rare to make biodiesel that doesn't
contain some alkaline substances. If you're reading pH 7 in
recently-made, unwashed biodiesel you're probably not getting an
accurate reading.
If you neutralise
I have to say I'm starting to change my mind about acid in the wash,
but I think it has to be used a bit more scientifically than just
'adding some' which is how homebrewers seem to use it. Ive messed up
a batch while experimenting that way not too long ago, overdid it on
the HCL and a
Chris,
Sounds like a very nice system! I'm pretty fond of pump agitation- I
think it gets a really good initial mix of methoxide dispersed
throughout the oil- but stirred tank reactors can be built cheaper.
One thing that confuses people about 'how to build a processor'? is
that there are
Hi,
there's a vast amount of bad information in Tickell's book at least.
It's OK for learning some basics (ie how to make a two-layer split
between biodiesel and glycerol byproduct) but please keep in mind that
a lot of other info in there is just straight outright wrong. I don't
understand
Thanks for the hydrochloric acid information again.
I've got another basic question for the same test (AOCS test for soaps
in oil/biodiesel):
I had a lab friend pick up some bromophenol blue from their stockroom,
and instead of solution, she got a bottle of Bromophenol Blue Sodium
Salt the
Good, articulate summary from Ben about local production, etc. But I
agree with Keith about standards and the fact that they're no barrier
to production.
I took a class on biodiesel analysis last month. I heard a lot of
stories about why certain specifications are in the standards- some of
er, attempt to make isopropyl or ethanol biodiesel out of it? (which
can give better cold weather properties).
You'd retain the excellent cetane and lowered NOx of saturated fats
but gain the advantageous cold flow of ethanol or isopropyl esters.
This isn't a homebrewer topic (isopropyl)
No, I use it all the time for gasketing. Just make sure it's not
silicone blended with something (acrylic or latex and silicone blends
are common). Usualy the RTV silicone says 100% in big letters on most
of the product packaging.
girl mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels
I actually got all wingnutty late one night and did a photo shoot (the
results are also still stuck on my own computer with no removable
media or ability to email it otherwise Id send it to you) of me
gasketing the co-op's processor this way. I stuck the silicone to the
lid, and the plastic
Plastic wrap, draped around whatever it is you're trying not to
stick to. Maybe petroleum jelly would work too.
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sweet! Just make sure you have a really good lid on it with a
GASKET
for fumes. Gaskets can be made
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