Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Paul S Cantrell wrote: Mike W., you never cease to entertain me... Now I can die a happy man! Anyway, I just wanted to add another Doctor to the conversation. Dr. John McDougall is a non-quack. He and his wife have been at this for over 30 years and there is no 'hype' I followed this for several years. I felt great and was quite trim. I do remember being hungry a lot. Dean Ornish is worth looking at too. http://www.drmcdougall.com/ "The founder of The McDougall Plan for healthy living, has been studying and writing about the effects of nutrition on disease for over 30 years. Dr. John McDougall believes that people should look and feel great, and enjoy optimal health for a lifetime. Dr. McDougall has developed a nourishing, low-fat, starch-based diet that not only promotes a broad range of dramatic and lasting health benefits such as weight (fat) loss, but most importantly can also reverse serious illness, such as heart disease, without drugs." Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is featured as one of his stars). No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. On 10/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No, but I'll get my lawyers on it pronto! ;-) -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
I've tied them both - they both workied in that I lost weight. I found MacDougall easier to stay on and I felt better. With Atkins I lost weight but finally couldn't live with the side-effects. -Mike Paul S Cantrell wrote: Sorry, John, but I don't have any negative results to share. I *personally* don't know anyone who "tried this diet and didn't see any improvement" but I reckon there are genetic groups that do not respond to this diet. Every one has to look at their own health, family history and make decisions for themselves with the data available to them. I'm with you on being wary of doctors with books and things to sell, but all that I was saying is that Dr. McDougall's work passes my smell test, while Atkins does not. On 10/9/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* a hypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias - > "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been > shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that > could disconfirm their hypothesis." And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. You give us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is a disease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter's improvement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle of the moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly in this thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods after their names. jh -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Sorry, John, but I don't have any negative results to share. I *personally* don't know anyone who "tried this diet and didn't see any improvement" but I reckon there are genetic groups that do not respond to this diet. Every one has to look at their own health, family history and make decisions for themselves with the data available to them. I'm with you on being wary of doctors with books and things to sell, but all that I was saying is that Dr. McDougall's work passes my smell test, while Atkins does not. On 10/9/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren'tworth the paper they are printed on.Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* ahypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias -> "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been> shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that> could disconfirm their hypothesis."And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. Yougive us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is adisease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter'simprovement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle ofthe moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly inthis thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods aftertheir names.jh -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Paul S Cantrell wrote: > Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure > meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's > daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is > featured as one of his stars). > > No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. The plural of anecdote is not data. And frankly, testimonials aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Your example is very reason science is based on *disproving* a hypothesis - the chance for confirmation bias is just too high otherwise. >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias - > "Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been > shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that > confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweight evidence that > could disconfirm their hypothesis." And unfortunately Paul, that is exactly what you are doing here. You give us 3 positive results when what we really need to know is how many people tried this diet and didn't see any improvement. Lupus is a disease that naturally waxes and wanes - your friend's daughter's improvement could have been just as highly correlated with the cycle of the moon. I'm not saying the diet *doesn't* work - but as I've said repeatly in this thread, be very wary of book authors with letters and periods after their names. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins=no McDougall=yes
Mike W., you never cease to entertain me... Anyway, I just wanted to add another Doctor to the conversation. Dr. John McDougall is a non-quack. He and his wife have been at this for over 30 years and there is no 'hype' http://www.drmcdougall.com/ "The founder of The McDougall Plan for healthy living, has been studying and writing about the effects of nutrition on disease for over 30 years. Dr. John McDougall believes that people should look and feel great, and enjoy optimal health for a lifetime. Dr. McDougall has developed a nourishing, low-fat, starch-based diet that not only promotes a broad range of dramatic and lasting health benefits such as weight (fat) loss, but most importantly can also reverse serious illness, such as heart disease, without drugs." Anecdotally, it works...My parents went off their high blood pressure meds within a week of changing their diet. A friend of mine's daughter's lupus went into total remission very quickly (she is featured as one of his stars). No processed foods. No dairy and no meat. On 10/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: No, but I'll get my lawyers on it pronto! ;-) -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
