Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread vern_hendershott
For Hakan to be right about the UN the states that are members would have to, at least the majority, be democracies and as that is not the case in the vast majority of members it causes the concept to not work and is one of the main causes of the ongoing failures of the UN to get much done. When

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Hakan Falk
Dear Curtis, At 11:12 PM 11/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: ... somewhat represent a world democracy is UN?? Democracy must be shown at a global level to survive?? Long term it is, otherwise we will repeat the 2,500 year old story. Pardon if I offend anyone on this list ... but the concept of a

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Hakan Falk
If the definition by democracy is the will of the people and not the US republic democracy, you will be surprised if you sum them up. You will also be surprised of how many non-democracies that are supported by US. On the issue of corruption and manipulation, some of our most known

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Steve Spence
: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy ... somewhat represent a world democracy is UN?? Democracy must be shown at a global level to survive?? Pardon if I

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Keith Addison
For Hakan to be right about the UN the states that are members would have to, at least the majority, be democracies and as that is not the case in the vast majority of members it causes the concept to not work and is one of the main causes of the ongoing failures of the UN to get much done. When

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Keith Addison
The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the old wine of tribalism in the new bottles of democracy. Within which neither works out too well. Nations are an anachronism, and have been for quite a long time, leading to a very large proportion of the problems, destruction, corruption, and

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread vern_hendershott
: Subject: Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy 11/09/02 04:42 PM Please respond

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread TexasTDI
I do still maintain that there are many more countries represented at the UN that do not meet the Hakan test of a democracy.. Iraq comes to mind. Chris Thornton 1991 VW Jetta GL 2 Door 1.6D - 233k miles 2000 VW Golf GLS 1.9TDI 130hp/229ftlbs - 73k miles 1998 VW Passat GLS 1.8T -- FOR

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 22:12 Subject: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy Pardon if I offend anyone on this list ... but the concept of a world democracy makes

Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-09 Thread Keith Addison
: Subject: Re: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy 11/09/02 04:42 PM Please respond to biofuel For Hakan to be right about the UN

[biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct Democracy

2002-11-08 Thread csakima
... somewhat represent a world democracy is UN?? Democracy must be shown at a global level to survive?? Pardon if I offend anyone on this list ... but the concept of a world democracy makes me very nervous. It, by the way it is sometimes talked about, implies in an unsaid way the