Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

(the one in West Linn, OR) - Original Message - nFrom: "Hakan Falk" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind > > Joe, > > Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 > kW/

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Joe, et al. see http://www.windsun.com/Solar_Basics/Solar_maps.htm Joe Street wrote: > Hey Hakan; > > Hakan Falk wrote: > >>Joe, >> >>Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 kW/m2. >> >> > Are you sure?? > >>I would not fly any hang glider in 100 feet per

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Hey Hakan; Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 kW/m2. Are you sure?? I would not fly any hang glider in 100 feet per minute, because you will end up at top of a thunderstorm and come back down as an ice block. It has happ

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ns. The >Principle of Uninte! nded Effects would make me hesitant to go that route, >though. > > >I would love to use Kim's sig of "Bright Blessings", but she's earned that >one, so I'll just say Cheers to all, > >Bob (the one in West Linn, OR) >-

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Greetings Bob, The world can use many more Bright Blessings than I can wish for it. I have no copyright, honest. Be warned however, that if you use it, people will ask/assume you are a pagan. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:46 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >Hi Hakan & Joe, > >I would love to use Kim's

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lessings", but she's earned that one, so I'll just say Cheers to all,Bob (the one in West Linn, OR)- Original Message - nFrom: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:03 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind>> Joe,>

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e one in West Linn, OR)- Original Message - nFrom: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:03 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind>> Joe,>> Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 > kW/m2.>>

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e me hesitant to go that route, though. I would love to use Kim's sig of "Bright Blessings", but she's earned that one, so I'll just say Cheers to all, Bob (the one in West Linn, OR) - Original Message - nFrom: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

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That's not free energy. That is human energy. The most expensive kind of energy! Now where did all those slaves go who were cranking my generator and eating all my corn that I was going to feed my cow and stick a tube up her butt and harvest the methane gas to burn in my truck?** At 08:18 PM

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Why Bob! What are you saying? Everybody knows that magnets are an almost infinite source of free energy!* Here's a simple experiment you can do yourself: Find a bar magnet, stronger is better. wrap about 50 feet of very thin varnished copper wire around your finger loosely, so yo

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Joe, Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 kW/m2. I would not fly any hang glider in 100 feet per minute, because you will end up at top of a thunderstorm and come back down as an ice block. It has happened more than once by happy people who did not study han

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Terry Dyck wrote: > Actually we should look at more than 2 types of alternative sources of > energy. Geothermal for an example and also harnessing tides, micro > hydro, > magnetic energy agh. please anybody that believes in magnets as a source of energy, go build one and then give m

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Supposing that incoming solar radiation were mostly converted to electrical power, the electricity would be converted to heat in the process of use. This heat would be re-emitted from the earth's surface. The heat would also drive the weather, but the pattern of re-emission and presumably of the we

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Hello Jeromie >regen breaking is very key to a truly successful electric or hybrid. >There is also a air car out there >that interests me allot. Wish I could get my hands on one for my wife to >use for work (our biggest >use of gasoline) and for my running around (I do part time PC work) We've

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Garth & Kim Travis wrote: >Greetings, >I hate batteries because they always die just when there is work to do. I >do not want to depend on something that is going to have to be replaced >just as it gets paid off and that I can't scrounge parts for. I don't >believe that batteries are good for

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TarynToo wrote: >Hi Jerome, > >I don't know about the energy conversion efficiencies of a >wind->electric->H2/O2->hPEM->electric->load, but at first blush it >seems to have too many stages to achieve reasonable efficiency. > The idea is to use currently wasted extra electricity from a installe

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eply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:52:00 -0500 You need both Wind and solar. Chances are when it is windy the clouds maybe covering the nuclear reactor. When it’s sunny no wind. You need BOTH Mel Who has had a little experience wit

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    As a further note to the discussion of high efficiency solar arrays a question occured to me.  The average incoming radiation from the sun is something like 1Kw /sq.m This is a substantial amount of energy and much of it goes into heating up a shallow layer of the surface and much gets re-r

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super capacitors have shown some promise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor Electric double-layer capacitors (EDLCs) These devices, often called supercapacitors or ultracapacitors for short, are capacitors that use a molecule-thin layer of electrolyte, rather than a manufactured sheet of materi

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Hi Jerome, I don't know about the energy conversion efficiencies of a wind->electric->H2/O2->hPEM->electric->load, but at first blush it seems to have too many stages to achieve reasonable efficiency. according to Amory Lovins, apparently an H2 advocate,

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Greetings, I hate batteries because they always die just when there is work to do. I do not want to depend on something that is going to have to be replaced just as it gets paid off and that I can't scrounge parts for. I don't believe that batteries are good for the environment either. Yes, s

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A lot depends on the seasonal variations in sun and wind in your area. Here in southern Ontario, Canada, the good winds are in the period October-May peaking in January. July and August are poor. Correspondingly we have little sunshine in winter. So wind and solar go well together. It seems that s

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Regardless of the climate changes wind is cheaper by far. lets say you need 25Kw/H per day (that is my average use) This assumes no storage facility and constant production Solar you have MAYBE 12 hours/day to make electricity. Of that you can only count on 25% to be producing MAX panel power.

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Why do you hate batteries? They are a needed device. I would rather have a hydrogen PEM fuel cell setup. Use wind to feed a water seperation tank then feed the H2/O2 to the hPEM. Only use the hPEM when power beyond the wind source is needed, or at locations remote from the wind fed grid. Jeromie

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The best result will depend entirely on the specific circumstances. Not all places boast good solar or wind energy resources. Could be both, one or the other or neither in any specific location. That requires analysis (data logging or existing insolation or wind maps can only provide inform

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Greetings, I hate batteries. That is why I want a system that I can power with methane if I need power when the sun is not shining. I use almost no power after the sun goes down, most of the year. We do not watch tv or other wasteful appetites for power, but, I do sometimes like to sew at nig

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Garth & Kim Travis wrote: > Greetings, > > I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that > can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is > used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. > And the generator that is fire by the

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Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane.  Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired.  And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the t

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Tom,   In my opinion, one shouldn't be choosing and committing to a particular form of alternative/sustainable energy when trying to live sustainably on your own power. Our homes need to be seen as hybrids and should be constantly diversifying and prioritizing based on your needs, resources and a

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You need both   Wind and solar.   Chances are when it is windy the clouds maybe covering the nuclear reactor.   When it’s sunny no wind.   You need BOTH   Mel   Who has had a little experience with an AWP turbine.   But my next one is a bergey 10kw   Ohh….   -Original