Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles
Hi Chris
Gearing may be through a trans or torque converter
belt drive (snowmobile) I have a Norton Commando basket case with a tranny
(these bikes were not "unit" engines, the trans is seperate)I imagine using a
smaller bike such as Honda 350cc or so.There areseveral bike shops
nearby who may have one sitting around I can use asa donor .I read on
Biofuel about someone who put a 10 hp diesel in a Geo Metro. It took all day to
get it up to 55 MPH, but it got well over 100 MPG. So 6 hp ,may be adequate. I
plan on using it as a commuter, as I live 3 miles from work.
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Wow, cool. Thats really interesting, i'm big into
engines and mechcanics in general. Will 6HP be enough, or by motorcycle do you
mean large scooter? What about gearing? what bike are you planning on putting
it in?
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Ha I guess this is called Synchronicity. I just won this
diesel engine onebay and plan on installing it in a motorcycle frame. I
do not have a donorbike yet, but I do have some ideas.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29520item=4367731706rd=1-
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and motorcycles todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've
been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered
motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done
somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris
b.
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Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles
Ha I guess this is called Synchronicity. I just won this diesel engine on ebay and plan on installing it in a motorcycle frame. I do not have a donor bike yet, but I do have some ideas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29520item=4367731706rd=1 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Wow, cool. Thats really interesting, i'm big into engines and mechcanics in general. Will 6HP be enough, or by motorcycle do you mean large scooter? What about gearing? what bike are you planning on putting it in? - Original Message - From: Busyditch To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles Ha I guess this is called Synchronicity. I just won this diesel engine onebay and plan on installing it in a motorcycle frame. I do not have a donorbike yet, but I do have some ideas.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=29520item=4367731706rd=1- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:46 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck More about dieselmotorcycles : http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm The US Marine Corps use Kawasaki KLR 650 modified with a diesel motor. The british S.A.S. would already use it in Afghanistan according to the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ http://www.moto-net.com/p_article.php?RefArticle=235 (in french) The video of the motorcycle : http://www.janes.com:8080/ramgen/janescom/diesel_mc.smi Blogs were talking about it since 2000 (http://oasis.fortunecity.com/aspen/205/motorcycling3.htm) A little French motorcycle maker (boccardo) made ones several years ago, based on Citroën motor, before disappeared. (http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/oldconversions.htm) But nowadays in Europe, it's a dutch manufacturer, Star Twin Motors in Loenen (niederland) who makes a sport bike running with a VW 1200cc TDI motor, called ThunderStar 1200 TDI. (the whole story in French at http://binano.free.fr/viewtopic.php?t=552) in english : http://www.canyonchasers.net/blog/archives/35-ThunderStar-TDI-Motorcycle.html in Dutch : http://www.motorfreaks.nl/index.php/news/1875 http://www.startwin.com/pages/home_main.htm# frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Fuel efficiency came a long way since then, but the relative difference between US and European vehicles seams to be the same. My memory must be slipping because I don't recall Ford or General Motors having something similar to a VW Lupo 3L (78 mpg US) or the VW 1L (235 mpg US) or a 50 year Shell Mileage Marathon sponsored by US oil companies or maybe they do in Europe or elsewhere. It looks to me this 49cc Replicar Cursor 26 mph, 90 mpg imperial is an example of a covered moped. http://www.3wheelers.com/cursor.html Are there many other types around Europe or the world? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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You are right, US did not have it in the past and do not have it today. High standard innovated designs, if it concerns safety or fuel efficiency, but also high cost, are European hall marks. I agree with you that the gap might have been widening, between nothing and active research and innovations. I do belive that it is a relative status quo. Shell is two quite interesting companies, one European and one US. They have nothing to do which each other and are separated by a strict fire wall. The European Shell is based in den Haag, The Netherlands and I had a lot to do with them in the past, as supplier of IT solutions. It is a very serious company and difficult to be approved supplier to them, but if you are, it is very rewarding. I managed to make corporate contracts with them two times. The reason for the strict separation, is the US tax rules and if they did not keep it, they would have to pay tax on world wide income in US. This is not what a Dutch company like to do. -:)) Shell US would never sponsor anything outside US, it could be potentially very expensive. LOL Hakan At 04:39 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: Fuel efficiency came a long way since then, but the relative difference between US and European vehicles seams to be the same. My memory must be slipping because I don't recall Ford or General Motors having something similar to a VW Lupo 3L (78 mpg US) or the VW 1L (235 mpg US) or a 50 year Shell Mileage Marathon sponsored by US oil companies or maybe they do in Europe or elsewhere. It looks to me this 49cc Replicar Cursor 26 mph, 90 mpg imperial is an example of a covered moped. http://www.3wheelers.com/cursor.html Are there many other types around Europe or the world? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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todd, that's awesome! curiously, i've been pondering this very concept--a diesel-powered motorbike--recently. i figured it had to have been done somewhere by someone. best fo luck! -chris b. ---BeginMessage--- I'm getting a 1965 Royal Enfield Bullet ready for the road. It is powered by a Lombardini Greaves 325 cc diesel. Hopefully it will go 50 mph on B100 and get about 150-200 mpg. Does anyone have experience with these motorcycles? I believe they were available in the UK and in India. Wish me luck.Cheers,ToddOn Jun 29, 2005, at 11:21 PM, MH wrote: Hi Hakan, I was thinking of all the motorcycles I see and with some imagination and checking in with the department of motor vehicles one could build a two seater something like the VW 1L but with 3 wheels and possibly register it as a motorcycle though I haven't thought about this in decades. My Honda 500 cc use to get around 45 mpg and the Harley 61 ci 32 mpg and here in the US converted motorcycle three-wheeler trikes are popular so why not a 155 mpg California Commuter doing 55 mph. I'd love to watch the tv program building that one! My past autos such as the Fiat 850, Honda Civic, Chevy Sprint and Ford Festiva averaged 40 mpg but kept me out of the rain, warm in the winter and brought home a store load of goodies if needed. So I've given up motorcycling and now find pedaling my bicycle or tricycle more enjoyable along with the exercise and when needed using the 48 mpg Geo Metro with E10. Maybe the US gov't and Detroit will come up with something in the distant future as the price of crude oil climbs but its difficult for me to imagine them doing that nowadays. I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highwayto a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumptionwas 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim theweight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make avehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehiclewould be of general interest.A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could seethat quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they getfuel efficient production cars.Hakan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Todd G. Hershberger, CTS ITSMedia - Goshen College 574.674.2149 - Pager 574.535.7735 - Work ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ---End Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Trivia Facts - You just never know when one of these may pop up in quiz one day!? http://www.3wheelers.com/facts.html Lowest fuel consumption of a 3-Wheeler In 1996 a road legal vehicle set the record for the lowest petrol consumption at the Shell Mileage Marathon, Northants. (UK). The diesel-powered Combidrive mouse set a record of 568 mpg. (201.1 km/litre) [473 US mpg] http://www.3wheelers.com/combidrive.html Electric And Hybrid Vehicles - An Overview of the Benefits, Challenges, and Technologies (Revised 6-17-99) Tables on over all energy efficiency over fuel chain relating to propulsion units. Battery comparisons. Energy Consumption and the Environment - Impacts and Options for Personal Transportation (Revised 2-4-96) Puts alternative renewable fuels into prospective. http://www.rqriley.com/download.html It takes less energy to bicycle one mile than it takes to walk a mile. In fact, a bicycle can be up to 5 times more efficient than walking. If we compare the amount of calories burned in bicycling to the number of calories an automobile burns, the difference is astounding. One hundred calories can power a cyclist for three miles, but it would only power a car 280 feet (85 meters)! (with a .gif image showing) A comparison of the energy cost of various forms of transportation shows that the bicycle is most energy-efficient. (kcal/km per person) http://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/humanpower1.html A bicycle is also the world's most energy efficient mode of travel, using just 35 calories per passenger mile versus 1860 for an average automobile with one occupant. http://www.bicyclinglife.com/NewsAndViews/5_Different_Reasons.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'm getting a 1965 Royal Enfield Bullet ready for the road. It is powered by a Lombardini Greaves 325 cc diesel. Hopefully it will go 50 mph on B100 and get about 150-200 mpg. Does anyone have experience with these motorcycles? I believe they were available in the UK and in India. Wish me luck.Cheers,ToddOn Jun 29, 2005, at 11:21 PM, MH wrote: Hi Hakan, I was thinking of all the motorcycles I see and with some imagination and checking in with the department of motor vehicles one could build a two seater something like the VW 1L but with 3 wheels and possibly register it as a motorcycle though I haven't thought about this in decades. My Honda 500 cc use to get around 45 mpg and the Harley 61 ci 32 mpg and here in the US converted motorcycle three-wheeler trikes are popular so why not a 155 mpg California Commuter doing 55 mph. I'd love to watch the tv program building that one! My past autos such as the Fiat 850, Honda Civic, Chevy Sprint and Ford Festiva averaged 40 mpg but kept me out of the rain, warm in the winter and brought home a store load of goodies if needed. So I've given up motorcycling and now find pedaling my bicycle or tricycle more enjoyable along with the exercise and when needed using the 48 mpg Geo Metro with E10. Maybe the US gov't and Detroit will come up with something in the distant future as the price of crude oil climbs but its difficult for me to imagine them doing that nowadays. I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highwayto a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumptionwas 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim theweight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make avehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehiclewould be of general interest.A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could seethat quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they getfuel efficient production cars.Hakan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Todd G. Hershberger, CTS ITSMedia - Goshen College 574.674.2149 - Pager 574.535.7735 - Work ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I'm getting a 1965 Royal Enfield Bullet ready for the road. It is powered by a Lombardini Greaves 325 cc diesel. Hopefully it will go 50 mph on B100 and get about 150-200 mpg. Does anyone have experience with these motorcycles? I believe they were available in the UK and in India. Wish me luck. :-) I think a lot of people will think you're lucky already just to have such a bike. But best of good luck anyway Todd. Any pictures? Best wishes Keith Cheers, Todd On Jun 29, 2005, at 11:21 PM, MH wrote: Hi Hakan, I was thinking of all the motorcycles I see and with some imagination and checking in with the department of motor vehicles one could build a two seater something like the VW 1L but with 3 wheels and possibly register it as a motorcycle though I haven't thought about this in decades. My Honda 500 cc use to get around 45 mpg and the Harley 61 ci 32 mpg and here in the US converted motorcycle three-wheeler trikes are popular so why not a 155 mpg California Commuter doing 55 mph. I'd love to watch the tv program building that one! My past autos such as the Fiat 850, Honda Civic, Chevy Sprint and Ford Festiva averaged 40 mpg but kept me out of the rain, warm in the winter and brought home a store load of goodies if needed. So I've given up motorcycling and now find pedaling my bicycle or tricycle more enjoyable along with the exercise and when needed using the 48 mpg Geo Metro with E10. Maybe the US gov't and Detroit will come up with something in the distant future as the price of crude oil climbs but its difficult for me to imagine them doing that nowadays. I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highway to a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumption was 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim the weight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make a vehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehicle would be of general interest. A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could see that quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they get fuel efficient production cars. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelis ts.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainabl elists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.or g/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://ww w.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Todd G. Hershberger, CTS ITSMedia - Goshen College 574.674.2149 - Pager 574.535.7735 - Work ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi, When I did a part of the military service early 1960th 1,100 km north of Stockholm, I did this stretch in my 1955 VW on 80-90 liter. The 500cc one cylinder BSA I had, took about half of it and could do around 160-170 kmh. I also had a Plymouth V8 and it took 4-5 times more than the VW, but did 180 kmh with ease. That was the days when gas was really cheap. The first 50 cc moped I had, in Sweden they were modified to a speed limit of 30 kmh, took around the same or a bit more as the VW L1 and a bit less than L3. Fuel efficiency came a long way since then, but the relative difference between US and European vehicles seams to be the same. The same can be said for the higher fuel cost in Europe, were more than the financial gains has gone to the governments in taxes. Fuel costs per liter in Europe is around the same as per gallon in US. No wonder that Detroit/oil industry does not want fuel efficient cars. LOL Hakan At 06:21 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Hi Hakan, I was thinking of all the motorcycles I see and with some imagination and checking in with the department of motor vehicles one could build a two seater something like the VW 1L but with 3 wheels and possibly register it as a motorcycle though I haven't thought about this in decades. My Honda 500 cc use to get around 45 mpg and the Harley 61 ci 32 mpg and here in the US converted motorcycle three-wheeler trikes are popular so why not a 155 mpg California Commuter doing 55 mph. I'd love to watch the tv program building that one! My past autos such as the Fiat 850, Honda Civic, Chevy Sprint and Ford Festiva averaged 40 mpg but kept me out of the rain, warm in the winter and brought home a store load of goodies if needed. So I've given up motorcycling and now find pedaling my bicycle or tricycle more enjoyable along with the exercise and when needed using the 48 mpg Geo Metro with E10. Maybe the US gov't and Detroit will come up with something in the distant future as the price of crude oil climbs but its difficult for me to imagine them doing that nowadays. I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highway to a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumption was 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim the weight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make a vehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehicle would be of general interest. A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could see that quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they get fuel efficient production cars. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I had a 1968 VW Beetle that got 28 mpg US not quit as good as you but it had a larger engine than yours and my foot was heavier back then. I loved the simplicity of it all although I grew tried of scraping the windows in winter with the window down. I eventually learned how to replace the heater cores in my US vehicles as time passed on and beyond cheap gasoline. Was the Combidrive Mouse considered a covered moped of sorts using a 265cc diesal engine? Up to 255.9 mpg imperial doesn't sound bad . . . nor does Lucky Todd and his diesel Lombardini Greaves 325 cc 1965 Royal Enfield with the fuel economy he anticipates. - Hi, When I did a part of the military service early 1960th 1,100 km north of Stockholm, I did this stretch in my 1955 VW on 80-90 liter. The 500cc one cylinder BSA I had, took about half of it and could do around 160-170 kmh. I also had a Plymouth V8 and it took 4-5 times more than the VW, but did 180 kmh with ease. That was the days when gas was really cheap. The first 50 cc moped I had, in Sweden they were modified to a speed limit of 30 kmh, took around the same or a bit more as the VW L1 and a bit less than L3. Fuel efficiency came a long way since then, but the relative difference between US and European vehicles seams to be the same. The same can be said for the higher fuel cost in Europe, were more than the financial gains has gone to the governments in taxes. Fuel costs per liter in Europe is around the same as per gallon in US. No wonder that Detroit/oil industry does not want fuel efficient cars. LOL Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars and motorcycles
Mopeds are defined by the engine and weight, the weight I do not remember straight off but the engine had to be under 50 cc. I Sweden they had an additional restriction and that was that they would not go faster than 30 kmph, which was achieved by reducing the carburetor intake and I do no know many youngsters that did not learned how to handle a drill. LOL In Sweden the moped do not require license, but you have to be 15. I bought my first when I was 12, for money that I earned by putting scrapped radios together to working ones. I was hanging out with two workshops, one was the radio TV and the other was a very nice gunsmith. I was competing in target shooting and still have a number of silver plates and pieces from that time 12 to 16. An other interest I had, was horseback riding, which I started with when I was 9 years old. The Stockholm racing track was nearby and I worked with horses on the school leaves, did trainee races when I was 14, but then I became too large and heavy. Light motorbike, 75 kg and max 200 cc, license you can take at 16 and I bought my first, when I was 14, a 125 cc old Husqvarna. Got caught for illegal driving, but was too young and they lost the record, so I could take the license when I was 16 anyway. Heavy motorbike and car, the age in Sweden is 18 years. Hakan At 02:26 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote: I had a 1968 VW Beetle that got 28 mpg US not quit as good as you but it had a larger engine than yours and my foot was heavier back then. I loved the simplicity of it all although I grew tried of scraping the windows in winter with the window down. I eventually learned how to replace the heater cores in my US vehicles as time passed on and beyond cheap gasoline. Was the Combidrive Mouse considered a covered moped of sorts using a 265cc diesal engine? Up to 255.9 mpg imperial doesn't sound bad . . . nor does Lucky Todd and his diesel Lombardini Greaves 325 cc 1965 Royal Enfield with the fuel economy he anticipates. - Hi, When I did a part of the military service early 1960th 1,100 km north of Stockholm, I did this stretch in my 1955 VW on 80-90 liter. The 500cc one cylinder BSA I had, took about half of it and could do around 160-170 kmh. I also had a Plymouth V8 and it took 4-5 times more than the VW, but did 180 kmh with ease. That was the days when gas was really cheap. The first 50 cc moped I had, in Sweden they were modified to a speed limit of 30 kmh, took around the same or a bit more as the VW L1 and a bit less than L3. Fuel efficiency came a long way since then, but the relative difference between US and European vehicles seams to be the same. The same can be said for the higher fuel cost in Europe, were more than the financial gains has gone to the governments in taxes. Fuel costs per liter in Europe is around the same as per gallon in US. No wonder that Detroit/oil industry does not want fuel efficient cars. LOL Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars
This might be interesting if the effects of gravity could be reduced or other technological developments implemented -- The VW 1L fuel economy is one litre per 100 kilometres or about 235 miles per US gallon in 2002 and I don't know what the average speed was. 290 kilogram (639 lb.) vehicle. The California Commuter 104 kilogram (230 lb.) vehicle. Gasoline Record The 157.192 MPG at 55 MPH gasoline record was set on November 20, 1980. Diesel Record The 156.53 MPG at 56.3 MPH diesel record was set on November 30, 1981. http://www.canosoarus.com/03CalifCommuter/CalCom01.htm The Mini Micro Missile A bicyclist on a typical road bike has to develop 1.0 Horsepower continuously to hold a speed of 30 Miles Per Hour. A first class athlete can sustain this level of effort for some 30 seconds whereas a healthy human can only sustain this level of effort for about 12 seconds. At 30 MPH, 12 seconds is just enough time to travel 200 meters! . . . . . . 8 year old with maybe 1/8th of an adult's total Horsepower capacity officially average 29.62 MPH over the 200 meter traps to become the World's Fastest Self Propelled Kid . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM01.htm Producing just 0.1 Horsepower, which a healthy human can do for 8 hours continuously, a bicyclist on the moon would be cruising at 237 MPH! That is just 1/10th of the horsepower an earthbound cyclist needs to produce in order to be moving along at a crummy 30 MPH! . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM05.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars
I can tell you now you will have a lot of trouble from the ASPG if you propose this idea. See here: http://www.pugbus.net/News/05032005_joliegravity.htm Apparently Angelina Jolie has taken up the torch as spokesperson for the movement to conserve gravity. Like Jolie many of us here on the list are concerned with conserving things. This is NOT a throw away world. And here we have someone right under our noses who wants the just throw away a significant portion of our most basic natural resource gravity itself. Sheesh! MH wrote: This might be interesting if the effects of gravity could be reduced or other technological developments implemented -- The VW 1L fuel economy is one litre per 100 kilometres or about 235 miles per US gallon in 2002 and I don't know what the average speed was. 290 kilogram (639 lb.) vehicle. The California Commuter 104 kilogram (230 lb.) vehicle. Gasoline Record The 157.192 MPG at 55 MPH gasoline record was set on November 20, 1980. Diesel Record The 156.53 MPG at 56.3 MPH diesel record was set on November 30, 1981. http://www.canosoarus.com/03CalifCommuter/CalCom01.htm The Mini Micro Missile A bicyclist on a typical road bike has to develop 1.0 Horsepower continuously to hold a speed of 30 Miles Per Hour. A first class athlete can sustain this level of effort for some 30 seconds whereas a healthy human can only sustain this level of effort for about 12 seconds. At 30 MPH, 12 seconds is just enough time to travel 200 meters! . . . . . . 8 year old with maybe 1/8th of an adult's total Horsepower capacity officially average 29.62 MPH over the 200 meter traps to become the World's Fastest Self Propelled Kid . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM01.htm Producing just 0.1 Horsepower, which a healthy human can do for 8 hours continuously, a bicyclist on the moon would be cruising at 237 MPH! That is just 1/10th of the horsepower an earthbound cyclist needs to produce in order to be moving along at a crummy 30 MPH! . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM05.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars
I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highway to a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumption was 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim the weight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make a vehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehicle would be of general interest. A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could see that quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they get fuel efficient production cars. Hakan At 04:38 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote: This might be interesting if the effects of gravity could be reduced or other technological developments implemented -- The VW 1L fuel economy is one litre per 100 kilometres or about 235 miles per US gallon in 2002 and I don't know what the average speed was. 290 kilogram (639 lb.) vehicle. The California Commuter 104 kilogram (230 lb.) vehicle. Gasoline Record The 157.192 MPG at 55 MPH gasoline record was set on November 20, 1980. Diesel Record The 156.53 MPG at 56.3 MPH diesel record was set on November 30, 1981. http://www.canosoarus.com/03CalifCommuter/CalCom01.htm The Mini Micro Missile A bicyclist on a typical road bike has to develop 1.0 Horsepower continuously to hold a speed of 30 Miles Per Hour. A first class athlete can sustain this level of effort for some 30 seconds whereas a healthy human can only sustain this level of effort for about 12 seconds. At 30 MPH, 12 seconds is just enough time to travel 200 meters! . . . . . . 8 year old with maybe 1/8th of an adult's total Horsepower capacity officially average 29.62 MPH over the 200 meter traps to become the World's Fastest Self Propelled Kid . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM01.htm Producing just 0.1 Horsepower, which a healthy human can do for 8 hours continuously, a bicyclist on the moon would be cruising at 237 MPH! That is just 1/10th of the horsepower an earthbound cyclist needs to produce in order to be moving along at a crummy 30 MPH! . . . http://www.canosoarus.com/12MMMissile/MMM05.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel efficient cars
Hi Hakan, I was thinking of all the motorcycles I see and with some imagination and checking in with the department of motor vehicles one could build a two seater something like the VW 1L but with 3 wheels and possibly register it as a motorcycle though I haven't thought about this in decades. My Honda 500 cc use to get around 45 mpg and the Harley 61 ci 32 mpg and here in the US converted motorcycle three-wheeler trikes are popular so why not a 155 mpg California Commuter doing 55 mph. I'd love to watch the tv program building that one! My past autos such as the Fiat 850, Honda Civic, Chevy Sprint and Ford Festiva averaged 40 mpg but kept me out of the rain, warm in the winter and brought home a store load of goodies if needed. So I've given up motorcycling and now find pedaling my bicycle or tricycle more enjoyable along with the exercise and when needed using the 48 mpg Geo Metro with E10. Maybe the US gov't and Detroit will come up with something in the distant future as the price of crude oil climbs but its difficult for me to imagine them doing that nowadays. I read at one of the links that you gave earlier, that they went on highway to a show. At average speed around 70 kmph and one person, the consumption was 0.89 l per 100 km, 1.35 l per 100 miles or 281 mpg. If you trim the weight and with a lower average speed, it should be possible to make a vehicle (covered moped) that make 500 mpg. I doubt that such a vehicle would be of general interest. A Lupo 2L or Smart 2L is however feasible and I suspect that we could see that quite soon. I think that Detroit have a lot to do, before they get fuel efficient production cars. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
