Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Jim Leonard wrote: [Snip] I wasn't planning to charge for the DVD so I didn't think there would be legal issues. It doesn't matter if you charge for it or not. EA might not be able to get punitive damages, but their lawyers could kill your pocketbook. :-/ There's always the option of a bootleg where I don't charge for it and don't put any names on it... In any case I'll certainly ask. I also have another Origin promotional tape, that was distributed to software stores circa 1989. They are cheaply made advertisements for old Origin games like Windwalker, Knights of Legend, 2400 AD, and another (no Ultima tho.) They were obviously made 'in-house', and they are not the best-produced commercials that I've ever seen, but they are an interesting look at the birth of computer game advertising. Again, if you get the permissions, I'd be glad to contribute! :) Who would I talk to about that? EA or someone else? EA hadn't purchased Origin by that time. If the tapes were Origin property -- I don't see why they wouldn't be -- I imagine they all became EA's property when EA bought Origin. Other than Akalabeth and Lord British I can't think of anything that was negotiated as a separate property. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos
I agree with Edward here. Those materials are copyrighted and when EA bought Origin that purchase included all of Origin's intellectual properties. You can't compile, and redistribute any of it without their express permission and probably a royalty fee. This brings up the whole issue of abandonware. It's a wonderful concept that old unused intellectual properties, that are no longer supported by their owners become public domain for historical preservation purposes, but it doesn't actually work. Their protection isn't limited in the slightest. If you want to make a backup of the old tapes for your own personal use (aka you are the lawful owner of them and are backing them up for your own preservation purposes) then you are ok, but as soon as you give one of those copies to a friend it's just another form of piracy, and if you charge for it then you are making yourself a huge target for action. Karl Kuras - Original Message - From: Edward Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Jim Leonard wrote: [Snip] I wasn't planning to charge for the DVD so I didn't think there would be legal issues. It doesn't matter if you charge for it or not. EA might not be able to get punitive damages, but their lawyers could kill your pocketbook. :-/ There's always the option of a bootleg where I don't charge for it and don't put any names on it... In any case I'll certainly ask. I also have another Origin promotional tape, that was distributed to software stores circa 1989. They are cheaply made advertisements for old Origin games like Windwalker, Knights of Legend, 2400 AD, and another (no Ultima tho.) They were obviously made 'in-house', and they are not the best-produced commercials that I've ever seen, but they are an interesting look at the birth of computer game advertising. Again, if you get the permissions, I'd be glad to contribute! :) Who would I talk to about that? EA or someone else? EA hadn't purchased Origin by that time. If the tapes were Origin property -- I don't see why they wouldn't be -- I imagine they all became EA's property when EA bought Origin. Other than Akalabeth and Lord British I can't think of anything that was negotiated as a separate property. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Alexander Zoller wrote: Jim, how many people have subscribed to the list so far? I'm curious if there are a lot of lurkers :) Over 30 and under 40. Can't give exact numbers because I'm on the train right now and can't check it :-) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Hugh Falk wrote: Where the conditions are listed, it clearly states that NM is no defects, no wrap, but you mentioned that NM can have the modifier of (S)? I certainly understand the need for NM (S), but perhaps you should modify that page a bit to clear things up? Good point. Anyone else? Jim? I agree that NM (S) is possible if there is one extremely minor defect, but the box is still sealed. I will modify the main page at mobygames to reflect this if there are none opposed. Anyone? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
CcomputerGameCollector wrote: I figured I'd take a look around the web for a type of clear plastic case (kind of like an oversized VHS case or something like that) that would fit most computer games, and buy a bunch bulk, and start putting all of my collection in them. It seemed like a good idea. However, after searching all corners of the net I've came up completely empty. I must have seen every plastic case imaginable except one that would suite the task of housing a computer game. Has anyone thought about this, or come across a place that sells a plastic box of sorts that would serve this purpose? I'm figuring an 8x10x1.5 would fit most games barring a few. Has this issue been revisited for newer small boxes? (SmallBoxes? :-) BTW, I will never get used to the current crop of DVD-style boxes. Small boxes were one thing for euro software, but the current crop of we need more space on the shelves for console games small boxes still brings a tear to my eye. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
C.E. Forman wrote: I would request that we not expand the Mobyscale. It was designed to be flexible so individual collectors can tailor it to their individual needs. I concur. Verbiage and examples I have no problem modifying, but the main grades and concepts are very solid. However, as this is obviously a reply to an old message, and I fear I don't have time to examine in detail every message on this subject, could someone let me know if any major decisions were made during this topic to have things added to the MobyScale? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
Jim Leonard stated: I agree that NM (S) is possible if there is one extremely minor defect, but the box is still sealed. I will modify the main page at mobygames to reflect this if there are none opposed. Anyone? Just try to spell out what extremely minor means. What are people's beliefs regarding Near Mint. Do you think if it has any defect whatsoever (e.g. bent corner), it's downgraded to Fine? Do you think if it (part of the contents) looks like it did when it came out of the package, it's Near Mint, despite any minor dings that occurred during shipping? I suspect I was very strict in my recent auctions and listed things as Fine others might have said were Near Mint. I'd rather be accused of being overly strict than overly lax. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Greetings
I'd downgrade to Fine myself, but that's just me. If I see NM (S) anywhere I will know what it means. - Original Message - From: Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Jim Leonard stated: I agree that NM (S) is possible if there is one extremely minor defect, but the box is still sealed. I will modify the main page at mobygames to reflect this if there are none opposed. Anyone? Just try to spell out what extremely minor means. What are people's beliefs regarding Near Mint. Do you think if it has any defect whatsoever (e.g. bent corner), it's downgraded to Fine? Do you think if it (part of the contents) looks like it did when it came out of the package, it's Near Mint, despite any minor dings that occurred during shipping? I suspect I was very strict in my recent auctions and listed things as Fine others might have said were Near Mint. I'd rather be accused of being overly strict than overly lax. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Greetings
Why do I have a feeling that if this hobby ever goes the way of other ones, with a price guide and stuff like that, my collection is going to be worth nothing? (Let's see, a NM Zork Trilogy is worth $500, but a F Zork Trilogy is $5. Too bad.) Stuart -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings I'd downgrade to Fine myself, but that's just me. If I see NM (S) anywhere I will know what it means. - Original Message - From: Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Greetings Jim Leonard stated: I agree that NM (S) is possible if there is one extremely minor defect, but the box is still sealed. I will modify the main page at mobygames to reflect this if there are none opposed. Anyone? Just try to spell out what extremely minor means. What are people's beliefs regarding Near Mint. Do you think if it has any defect whatsoever (e.g. bent corner), it's downgraded to Fine? Do you think if it (part of the contents) looks like it did when it came out of the package, it's Near Mint, despite any minor dings that occurred during shipping? I suspect I was very strict in my recent auctions and listed things as Fine others might have said were Near Mint. I'd rather be accused of being overly strict than overly lax. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal in! vested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos
Jim, I apologize if I was responsible for 'bursting your bubble'. I just like to follow the letter of the law...it keeps me safe, it keeps me honest. Although your idea is a good one (I would've bought a copy for SURE!), I don't really think that it would 'fly'. I understand your frustrations--after all, publishing something like this would not take money out of anyone's purseBUT, each of these companies paid an incredible amount for the right to copyright their material. They have a right to prevent this sort of thing, whatever their reasoning may be. You have LOTS of other good ideas---don't give up! Joe Garrity Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:46:48 -0600 Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videosReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl Kuras wrote: This brings up the whole issue of abandonware. Please don't -- I wish I never had anything to do with it. To clarify, I know it's wrong and I won't do it. I was just starry-eyed from the prospect of having all that material remastered on a single DVD. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ - Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com - -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos
Origin Museum wrote: Although your idea is a good one (I would've bought a copy for SURE!), I don't really think that it would 'fly'. I understand your frustrations--after all, publishing something like this would not take money out of anyone's purseBUT, each of these companies paid an incredible amount for the right to copyright their material. They have a right to prevent this sort of thing, whatever their reasoning may be. To be specific, all material has implied copyright, so they didn't actually *pay* to have it copyrighted. But they do have the right to control how their information is dissemenated, since they certainly paid for the information/product itself. You have LOTS of other good ideas---don't give up! Well, the only other thing I can think of is to ask permission and skew my request towards the making of a documentary about how game companies created and marketed games 10 to 20 years ago. I'm an archivist, and VHS tapes degrade (literally disintegrate) over as little as 10 years. I want to preserve this info. At this point I don't care about distributing the info, I just want to remaster it so that *some pristine copy exists* before they're all useless. VHS video degrading is *NOT* the same issue as old disks in a shrinkwrap package: You can get a perfect copy 1000 generations down the line because disks are digital. VHS is analog, and any generational copy produces significant loss. Would any of you be willing to lend me said videos just for that purpose -- to remaster the video and send it back to you along with a DVD? Ten years from now I can guarantee that your VHS tapes will be suffering. :-( -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Software collecting videos
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:45 AM, Jim Leonard wrote: [Snip] You are correct. Well, then here's my current plan: Master the entire disc with as much material as possible (so that I have a list of material to ask permission for), then if permission is not granted, remove the material before distribution. In other words, I don't want fear of not getting permission to hamper the product. That sounds like the best way to go. I know that some companies, or rather some people in some companies are supportive of these things. Laird Malamed (sp) at Activision comes to mind. [Snip] Getting a response back from EA's legal department is like pulling teeth. Ugh. They sound like Sierra/Vivendi's legal department. I tried to see if I could get Mt. Drash redistributed for historical curiousity purposes, but I might as well have tried to get a message out of a black hole. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:44 PM, Karl Kuras wrote: [Snip] You know that brings up a good question. It would be interesting to see what systems each of us mainly collect for. I'm guessing it'll reflect our age. I'm mainly (virtually only) C64 and Amiga stuff. How about the rest of you? For me it is mostly the Apple ][, IBM PC, and a few Macintosh games. I really don't collect for a particular hardware platform, though. I tend to pick up the games I'm interested and if they span platforms I'll follow (for example, the Might and Magic series). -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:45 PM, Dan Chisarick wrote: [Snip] As an aside, first Apple game I played was Castle Wolfenstein. There was a mainframe at the school as well (I think it was an HP of some variation). It had a game whose name escapes me (Mystery Mansion?). Haunt? -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] New topic--Collectors UNITE!
I just found an Apple II copy of a game called Brimstone, a Synapse Broderbund Production. Does anyone know if this is rare? I was going to throw it up on eBay to see what happens ;) - John -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
