[SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo
Hey gang, Just a quick note to say we've finally got a discussion group for a collecting expo. Come on over if you'd like to help organize it, know some possible guest speakers (John, looking at you here), or if you just want to hear what we're talking about. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scexpo/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Good point... So plan for maybe 200 - 300, then? I do have a feeling that a significant percentage of cartridge collectors are also computer gamers and would come to something like this. - Original Message - From: "Edward Franks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Software Collectibles Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > Another reason to go small is that packed rooms give off the > impression of a busy, successful convention. Whereas large rooms > partially filled give off the impression of a dying or dead convention. > (Savvy grassroots political groups use this concept all the time. > ;-)) > > -- > > Edward Franks > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Heh, personally I don't wanna be the one to tell someone they can't go in. You can be in charge of that part. B-) Which CGE were you at, Howard? The first one? I was there in 2K2 and it was huge. - Original Message - From: "Brian the Fist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > Like I said, I was at CGExpo and there were maybe 200 people tops > (excluding exhibitors). Remember, these people have to come from > halfway across the country in many cases, and that is a big barrier. > Not everyone lives in southern California :) Plan small for a first time > conference, or there won't be a second.. You can always limit > attendance if you get too many applicants, but you can't do the > reverse.. In fact limited seats could encourage people to sign up and > pay early.. > > "C.E. Forman" wrote: > > > > Wow, I must REALLY be optimistic, then, I figured a few hundred would show, > > especially once they learn of the classic authors. (The place could get > > packed if the Woz shows up!) I'd prefer to plan for a larger number, just > > in case. > > > -- > -- > Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom > A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game > Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
On Jan 18, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Brian the Fist wrote: Like I said, I was at CGExpo and there were maybe 200 people tops (excluding exhibitors). Remember, these people have to come from halfway across the country in many cases, and that is a big barrier. Not everyone lives in southern California :) Plan small for a first time conference, or there won't be a second.. You can always limit attendance if you get too many applicants, but you can't do the reverse.. In fact limited seats could encourage people to sign up and pay early.. Another reason to go small is that packed rooms give off the impression of a busy, successful convention. Whereas large rooms partially filled give off the impression of a dying or dead convention. (Savvy grassroots political groups use this concept all the time. ;-)) -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Like I said, I was at CGExpo and there were maybe 200 people tops (excluding exhibitors). Remember, these people have to come from halfway across the country in many cases, and that is a big barrier. Not everyone lives in southern California :) Plan small for a first time conference, or there won't be a second.. You can always limit attendance if you get too many applicants, but you can't do the reverse.. In fact limited seats could encourage people to sign up and pay early.. "C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Wow, I must REALLY be optimistic, then, I figured a few hundred would show, > especially once they learn of the classic authors. (The place could get > packed if the Woz shows up!) I'd prefer to plan for a larger number, just > in case. > -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
If someone, like Woz, who's interesting to people outside of our immediate audience showed, it would be easier to draw bigger numbers. If we asked the VCF people about their approximate attendence it would probably reflect how many would come to an expo limited to old games. -Adam - Original Message - From: "C.E. Forman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > Wow, I must REALLY be optimistic, then, I figured a few hundred would show, > especially once they learn of the classic authors. (The place could get > packed if the Woz shows up!) I'd prefer to plan for a larger number, just > in case. > > - Original Message - > From: "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:53 PM > Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > > I think this was meant for the whole group (see bottom)... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:07 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > > Hugh Falk wrote: > > > > > > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for > > > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're > > looking > > > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > > > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event > > > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > > > > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me > > a > > > couple of weeks to investigate. > > > > > > Thoughts on size? > > > > I'd say expecting 50 or so paying guests to show (ie. excluding the > > speakers and exhibitors) would be optimistic.. > > > > -- > > -- > > Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom > > A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game > > Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Wow, I must REALLY be optimistic, then, I figured a few hundred would show, especially once they learn of the classic authors. (The place could get packed if the Woz shows up!) I'd prefer to plan for a larger number, just in case. - Original Message - From: "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > I think this was meant for the whole group (see bottom)... > > -Original Message- > From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > Hugh Falk wrote: > > > > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for > > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're > looking > > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event > > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me > a > > couple of weeks to investigate. > > > > Thoughts on size? > > I'd say expecting 50 or so paying guests to show (ie. excluding the > speakers and exhibitors) would be optimistic.. > > -- > -- > Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom > A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game > Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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Hmm... Maybe plan for a few hundred people? (400 - 500?) CGE is typically in the low thousands of visitors. People will come if we have enough authors and vendors, and if we publicize it properly. I'd think about renting something a bit bigger than what we think we might need, just in case. Something with two rooms, the main showroom and a side room that can be filled with chairs, for the guest speakers. - Original Message - From: "Hugh Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're looking > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me a > couple of weeks to investigate. > > Thoughts on size? > > Hugh > > -Original Message- > From: Howard Feldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > Ok, so John and/or Hugh, are you willing to scout out some possible > locations there and get us some prices? As well as, later on, speak to > local authorities to find out what permits, tax forms, etc may be > needed? > > John Romero wrote: > > Well, I thought someone on here mentioned it would be a good idea to > > have it in a town where someone from the list was located? Both Hugh > > and I live in San Diego. > > > > I vote for San Diego! > > > > - john > > > > > > The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > > > > > > -- > > Howard Feldman > Author of the Search for Freedom Computer Role-Playing Game > Visit its homepage at: http://bioinfo.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
> I think if we start by asing the CGExpo guys we can find most of this > stuff out. I'm sure they'll be happy to give us info, they seem like > nice guys. I'll get a message drafted to them this week. Last week I had absolutely no time. > For that we could do a quick poll right here. If this event were to > happen, and assuming a 2 day event, a Vegas venue, and stellar guest > speakers, a) would you go? and b) how much would you be willing to pay > for admission? I'm one of the organizers, can I still vote? I'd definitely go, and I'd pay as much as $50 to get in. (More if we get really good hotel rates.) > PC Gamer, Electronic Games (Arnie Katz, Bill Kunkel) or CGW might be > interested, yep. EG has always been big supporters of CGE, I'm sure they'd help with ours too. > Another idea I forgot before is T-shirts - selling T-shirts is a great > way to make back some of the costs too. Ok, but I know one T-shirt printer we definitely SHOULDN'T use. B-) > I have no trouble contacting/hunting down potential exhibitors and/or > speakers, but obviously not until the rest is a bit clearer. Yeah, we should do the where / when / how first. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
I went to a "small" Classic Gaming convention in Austin last year and there were several hundred people in attendance - at one time. I'm pretty sure we'd have quite a few people at this event. - john The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > -Original Message- > From: Stuart Feldhamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > If you really think that only 50 paying guests will show up, > how many speakers do you think you'd be able to get? Not too > many, I would think. > > I personally would like to attend this event, but it's hard > for me to travel clear across the country what with work, > school, wife, new baby, etc. > > Stuart > > -Original Message- > From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > I think this was meant for the whole group (see bottom)... > > -Original Message- > From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > Hugh Falk wrote: > > > > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing > hotels) for > > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're > looking > > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty > focused event > > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. > So give me > a > > couple of weeks to investigate. > > > > Thoughts on size? > > I'd say expecting 50 or so paying guests to show (ie. > excluding the speakers and exhibitors) would be optimistic.. > > -- > -- > Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom > A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game > Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of > 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-> archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > > > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe > swcollect' Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-> archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
If you really think that only 50 paying guests will show up, how many speakers do you think you'd be able to get? Not too many, I would think. I personally would like to attend this event, but it's hard for me to travel clear across the country what with work, school, wife, new baby, etc. Stuart -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? I think this was meant for the whole group (see bottom)... -Original Message- From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? Hugh Falk wrote: > > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're looking > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me a > couple of weeks to investigate. > > Thoughts on size? I'd say expecting 50 or so paying guests to show (ie. excluding the speakers and exhibitors) would be optimistic.. -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
I think this was meant for the whole group (see bottom)... -Original Message- From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? Hugh Falk wrote: > > I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for > prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're looking > to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than > PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event > (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). > > However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me a > couple of weeks to investigate. > > Thoughts on size? I'd say expecting 50 or so paying guests to show (ie. excluding the speakers and exhibitors) would be optimistic.. -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
I don't mind scouting out some local places (I'm guessing hotels) for prices. We should have a ballpark idea of the size event we're looking to put on. I'm guessing it will be relatively small (smaller than PhillyClassic) due to it being a first time and a pretty focused event (compared to CGE and PhillyClassic). However, I'm slammed this week and out of town next week. So give me a couple of weeks to investigate. Thoughts on size? Hugh -Original Message- From: Howard Feldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? Ok, so John and/or Hugh, are you willing to scout out some possible locations there and get us some prices? As well as, later on, speak to local authorities to find out what permits, tax forms, etc may be needed? John Romero wrote: > Well, I thought someone on here mentioned it would be a good idea to > have it in a town where someone from the list was located? Both Hugh > and I live in San Diego. > > I vote for San Diego! > > - john > > > The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > > -- Howard Feldman Author of the Search for Freedom Computer Role-Playing Game Visit its homepage at: http://bioinfo.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Ok, so John and/or Hugh, are you willing to scout out some possible locations there and get us some prices? As well as, later on, speak to local authorities to find out what permits, tax forms, etc may be needed? John Romero wrote: Well, I thought someone on here mentioned it would be a good idea to have it in a town where someone from the list was located? Both Hugh and I live in San Diego. I vote for San Diego! - john The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. -- Howard Feldman Author of the Search for Freedom Computer Role-Playing Game Visit its homepage at: http://bioinfo.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
Well, I thought someone on here mentioned it would be a good idea to have it in a town where someone from the list was located? Both Hugh and I live in San Diego. I vote for San Diego! - john The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > -Original Message- > From: Brian the Fist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > > > - any permits, insurance etc. needed if applicable, > probably depends > > > on location > > [...] > > > It might be worthwhile to set up a small corporation to > manage the > > > funds and keep them separate from personal funds but I'm > no lawyer. > > > > This is the kind of area I'm not at all good at. We have a law > > student on this group, Karl Kuras, I believe? > > I think if we start by asing the CGExpo guys we can find most > of this stuff out. I'm sure they'll be happy to give us > info, they seem like nice guys. I dont know the rules in the > US but in Canada its easy to start a dummy company like this, > but always good to ask a lawyer/tax accountant. I could ask > my financial advisor about it but again, since I'm in Canada > it might be of limited use. > > It sounds like you (Chris) and I, and maybe John, are the > most interested in trying to arrange something like this. If > anyone else would like to help get some info, please speak up! > > > > - exhibitors (here are prices from CGexpo for comparison: > > > > We should probably start lower than CGE, to encourage > dealers to come, > > since it'd be a first-time show. > > definitely. Thats why a budget is important :) > > > > - admission - how much is fair? $50? $100? Assume maybe 100 > > > attendees > > > > Maybe lower, to encourage more attendance. CGE/Philly are like > > $25/$30 for a two-day pass. > > For that we could do a quick poll right here. If this event > were to happen, and assuming a 2 day event, a Vegas venue, > and stellar guest speakers, a) would you go? and b) how much > would you be willing to pay for admission? > > > > - corporate sponsors, if any > > > > Maybe contact some companies that were around back then and still > > exist now? Gaming mag publishers? > > PC Gamer, Electronic Games (Arnie Katz, Bill Kunkel) or CGW > might be interested, yep. Another idea I forgot before is > T-shirts - selling T-shirts is a great way to make back some > of the costs too. I have no trouble contacting/hunting down > potential exhibitors and/or speakers, but obviously not until > the rest is a bit clearer. > > > > We need estimates on all these things to ensure we at least break > > > even. > > > > I'd be glad to crunch the numbers for a variety of attendance rates > > and admission fees if we can get estimates on the stuff you > listed. > > (Finally using my office-crap skills outside of work!) > > > > So for starters can anyone in the area (or at least the > southern US) > > > look in to approximate prices for these sorts of things > in downtown > > > Vegas, or other suggested locations? We could find out about > > > permits, insurance etc by simply asking the CGexpo organizers Im > > > sure. > > > > I'll e-mail them and share their replies. > > Ok, let's start with that, and I can send a few inquiries to > some downtown Vegas strip hotels to inquire about renting > rooms at various times of the year, as well as discounted > room rates for conferences. If anybody has any other > suggestions for a cheap location that people would be willing > to come to and may be close to lots of classic game authors > (whatever that means), please let us know. > > Incidentally for those who don't know, I'm a classic game > author myself, if you count shareware ;) (check out my sig..) > > -- > -- > Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom > A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game > Visit its Homepage at http:/deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ > > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently > subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, > send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe > swcollect' Archives are available at: > http://www.mail-> archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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> > - any permits, insurance etc. needed if applicable, probably depends on > > location > [...] > > It might be worthwhile to set up a small corporation to manage the funds > > and keep them separate from personal funds but I'm no lawyer. > > This is the kind of area I'm not at all good at. We have a law student on > this group, Karl Kuras, I believe? I think if we start by asing the CGExpo guys we can find most of this stuff out. I'm sure they'll be happy to give us info, they seem like nice guys. I dont know the rules in the US but in Canada its easy to start a dummy company like this, but always good to ask a lawyer/tax accountant. I could ask my financial advisor about it but again, since I'm in Canada it might be of limited use. It sounds like you (Chris) and I, and maybe John, are the most interested in trying to arrange something like this. If anyone else would like to help get some info, please speak up! > > - exhibitors (here are prices from CGexpo for comparison: > > We should probably start lower than CGE, to encourage dealers to come, since > it'd be a first-time show. definitely. Thats why a budget is important :) > > - admission - how much is fair? $50? $100? Assume maybe 100 attendees > > Maybe lower, to encourage more attendance. CGE/Philly are like $25/$30 for > a two-day pass. For that we could do a quick poll right here. If this event were to happen, and assuming a 2 day event, a Vegas venue, and stellar guest speakers, a) would you go? and b) how much would you be willing to pay for admission? > > - corporate sponsors, if any > > Maybe contact some companies that were around back then and still exist now? > Gaming mag publishers? PC Gamer, Electronic Games (Arnie Katz, Bill Kunkel) or CGW might be interested, yep. Another idea I forgot before is T-shirts - selling T-shirts is a great way to make back some of the costs too. I have no trouble contacting/hunting down potential exhibitors and/or speakers, but obviously not until the rest is a bit clearer. > > We need estimates on all these things to ensure we at least break even. > > I'd be glad to crunch the numbers for a variety of attendance rates and > admission fees if we can get estimates on the stuff you listed. (Finally > using my office-crap skills outside of work!) > > So for starters can anyone in the area (or at least the southern US) > > look in to approximate prices for these sorts of things in downtown > > Vegas, or other suggested locations? We could find out about permits, > > insurance etc by simply asking the CGexpo organizers Im sure. > > I'll e-mail them and share their replies. Ok, let's start with that, and I can send a few inquiries to some downtown Vegas strip hotels to inquire about renting rooms at various times of the year, as well as discounted room rates for conferences. If anybody has any other suggestions for a cheap location that people would be willing to come to and may be close to lots of classic game authors (whatever that means), please let us know. Incidentally for those who don't know, I'm a classic game author myself, if you count shareware ;) (check out my sig..) -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http:/deep.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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> I would say for starters, we'd need to work out a budget and a > location. It would be a good idea to have a duration in mind too. 2 > days would probably be reasonable. Yeah, 2 days is probably the ideal. Get in Friday and get set up, do the actual show Saturday and Sunday, start cleaning up Sunday afternoon. That's how CGE and Philly handle it. > - any permits, insurance etc. needed if applicable, probably depends on > location [...] > It might be worthwhile to set up a small corporation to manage the funds > and keep them separate from personal funds but I'm no lawyer. This is the kind of area I'm not at all good at. We have a law student on this group, Karl Kuras, I believe? > - exhibitors (here are prices from CGexpo for comparison: We should probably start lower than CGE, to encourage dealers to come, since it'd be a first-time show. > - admission - how much is fair? $50? $100? Assume maybe 100 attendees Maybe lower, to encourage more attendance. CGE/Philly are like $25/$30 for a two-day pass. > - corporate sponsors, if any Maybe contact some companies that were around back then and still exist now? Gaming mag publishers? > We need estimates on all these things to ensure we at least break even. I'd be glad to crunch the numbers for a variety of attendance rates and admission fees if we can get estimates on the stuff you listed. (Finally using my office-crap skills outside of work!) > One cool thing at CGexpo which would apply here too and draw some more > people is the 'museum' - some collector's 'donate' some of their rarer [...] > person is needed to keep watch over this too, even if the items ARE > under glass. Yeah, they had a guy controlling how many people could be in the room at any one time at CGE. > If John R can help track down/convince some bigwigs to come that'd be > great. I think we could handle making a website for it between us no > problem, and even maybe have people pre-register (for cheaper) with > PayPal or something. Could sell tickets on eBay to get some free > exposure. Great suggestions, Howard, all of them. > So for starters can anyone in the area (or at least the southern US) > look in to approximate prices for these sorts of things in downtown > Vegas, or other suggested locations? We could find out about permits, > insurance etc by simply asking the CGexpo organizers Im sure. I'll e-mail them and share their replies. > In terms > of timing, I would give at least 6 months lead time to plan something > like this, especially since none of us have done this before. That > would give enough time to scout out places, contact guests, and > advertise to the collecting public. anyways, thats my thoughts so far.. We may want to look at doing it during the off-peak travel season as well. CGE was in the summer so hotel and airfare rates were a bit higher. Maybe fall, before the holidays, or this time next year. (On the other hand, more people can probably take vacations in summer.) I'd rather go with too much lead time than not enough. It's gonna come up on us fast. Great suggestions, let's keep 'em coming. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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I'm definitely serious. - Original Message - From: "John Romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > Heh. You know, it would be best to get a list together of all the game > authors that you all would like to see at this event. I know a lot of > Apple II guys, most of them in fact. And I can track people down pretty > well. If you're looking for a bunch of Atari authors, I know someone > who might know where most of them are. So, getting the list together > would be a good first step. I'm not sure if Steve Wozniak would come to > a non-Apple-only party, but he might. I can definitely persuade him. > > As for picking a location and organizing the event, I know someone who's > great at doing that and has done events exactly like this one. I also > have a contact at a huge media company who is specifically working on > putting together events for gaming. If you're all serious then I can > gauge these guys' interest. > > - john > > > The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:19 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > > > > I know at least two people on this list are in San Diego. > > (Disclaimer: one of them is me.) > > > > Hugh > > > > -Original Message- > > From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:48 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > > > I think it'd be a great idea. It would probably be good to hold it > > > nearby to at least one person who is organizing it, for obvious > > > reasons.. It might also be best to hold it out near the West Coast > > > since, presumably, the majority of the 'celebrities' are probably > > still > > > in that area (I could be wrong..) and thus it would be cheaper and > > > easier to ship them over, at least the first time. > > > > I know several of the Infocom authors are still in the Boston > > area. But yeah, the majority of them are probably closer to CA. > > > > > I think even if some of the 'biggies' didn't show, we could > > still get > > a > > > lot of them interested. Many of them are stuck now in mundane jobs > > and > > > would love to come and reminisce about the 'good ol' days' > > with people > > > who actually want to hear their stories I'm sure. It's just like > > > grandpa sitting by the fireplace and telling his old war stories. :) > > > > Yeah, I was figuring we'd take a page from CGE and let them > > make keynote presentations if they wanted. Talk about their > > pioneering work, the culture of the industry, whatever they > > wanted to talk about. Let them sign fan autographs if they > > were willing. > > > > > Anyways in terms of contacts (and I don't know them > > personally really > > > but an e-mail address is better than nothing) I've got Don Worth > > > (Beneath Apple Manor), Wizardry 8 team, Tim Snider > > (Questbusters fame > > - > > > anyone know if Shay Addams os still around?), > > > > I've heard rumors he's still in or around Vegas. Tried to > > track him down when I was out there but never did. I know > > he's gotten out of computer gaming, though, and is now > > focused on games of chance. > > > > > Jeff McCord (author of > > > Sword of Fargoal), Ken Demarest (from Origin). And most of > > us my now > > > have come across Brian Moriarty, Scott Adams, and a few others like > > > > I dug through my list, turns out I also have: Don Woods, > > Silas Warner, Al Lowe... Like you said, even 50% attendance > > would be awesome. > > > > > We could also invite some of the more > > > active vendors on eBay to buy a table, etc. > > > > Definitely. Eli Tomlinson... maybe Software & More, they're > > in CA... There's a guy in Vegas who always seems to have a > > ton of stuff. I'm sure Howard Sherman of Malinche would come > > set up a table for his commercial I-F games. > > > > > http://www.vintage.org/events.php > > > Any idea if its any good - could we use it as a starting point?
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Lee K. Seitz wrote: I read at least one CGE wrap-up I read from someone working a table at CGE who mentioned having to fill out their sales tax form before leaving. That's correct, we all had to. Since MobyGames didn't sell anything, it went very quick :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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I would say for starters, we'd need to work out a budget and a location. It would be a good idea to have a duration in mind too. 2 days would probably be reasonable. Say you had five 1-hour sessions each day, we could have 10 speakers (or groups of speakers) with lots of time to look at exhibits etc. The major costs will be: - renting a place - would probably need 2 rooms - an 'exhibit hall', and a 'lecture room' - electricity (sometimes this is NOT included with rent!) - travel and accomodations (1 or 2 nights?) for guest speakers (assume ten groups/individuals) - any permits, insurance etc. needed if applicable, probably depends on location - security (to make sure paying customers go in only, and keep out trouble) - advertising (if we choose to advertise anywhere other than free places) It might be worthwhile to set up a small corporation to manage the funds and keep them separate from personal funds but I'm no lawyer. The costs can be recouped by: - exhibitors (here are prices from CGexpo for comparison: Double Booth - $700 Single Booth - $400 Each Additional Booth - $300 Single Table - $100 - weekend Single Table - $30 / 2 hours - admission - how much is fair? $50? $100? Assume maybe 100 attendees - corporate sponsors, if any We need estimates on all these things to ensure we at least break even. One cool thing at CGexpo which would apply here too and draw some more people is the 'museum' - some collector's 'donate' some of their rarer items for the duration of the show. They are pooled together into a museum room. It makes quite an impressive exhibit - imagine all of our rarest items pooled together in one room! Obviously an extra security person is needed to keep watch over this too, even if the items ARE under glass. They also had a 'swap meet' and auction, which would be fun but not necessary. If John R can help track down/convince some bigwigs to come that'd be great. I think we could handle making a website for it between us no problem, and even maybe have people pre-register (for cheaper) with PayPal or something. Could sell tickets on eBay to get some free exposure. The size of the exhibit hall should of course depend on how many exhibitors we want/could find. I think if we want to keep costs low, Vegas might actually be a pretty good choice as hotels there are cheap and like I said probably most will be within driving distance of it. I'm guessing renting the rooms there wouldn't be TOO expensive either. So for starters can anyone in the area (or at least the southern US) look in to approximate prices for these sorts of things in downtown Vegas, or other suggested locations? We could find out about permits, insurance etc by simply asking the CGexpo organizers Im sure. In terms of timing, I would give at least 6 months lead time to plan something like this, especially since none of us have done this before. That would give enough time to scout out places, contact guests, and advertise to the collecting public. anyways, thats my thoughts so far.. > Thanks Howard. I'm a little uncertain how we'd get started, so any help you > can provide would be great. Just throwing out thoughts here... Need to > book a place on a date before we could do much else. Once we have a place, > I think I know someone who'd be willing to print up cool invitations > (physical or electronic) for the celebs. We'd need to start publicizing > this well in advance... anyone know how early submissions have to be made to > gaming publications? We could throw together a press release. Need to have > a website with info on the show, where/when, who's going to be there, > events, maybe a link to buy tickets. I assume we'd charge for admission to > recoup the travel costs for the guests. Need to know the legal crap > involved with that, do we remit sales tax, how's all that work? Ditto for > the dealers who are going to be selling. > > Plenty to talk about, everyone's input is welcome. -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://bioinfo.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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C.E. Forman stated: > >Thanks Howard. I'm a little uncertain how we'd get started, so any help you >can provide would be great. Just throwing out thoughts here... Need to >book a place on a date before we could do much else. If John Romero's people aren't intersted, why don't you just talk to some of the folks behind CGE or similar events? I'm sure they'd be willing to offer some quick advice. Remember, CGE started as World of Atari '98. I think there were only 100 or so people there that first year. Look how quickly it's grown. >Need to know the legal crap >involved with that, do we remit sales tax, how's all that work? Ditto for >the dealers who are going to be selling. I read at least one CGE wrap-up I read from someone working a table at CGE who mentioned having to fill out their sales tax form before leaving. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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Heh. You know, it would be best to get a list together of all the game authors that you all would like to see at this event. I know a lot of Apple II guys, most of them in fact. And I can track people down pretty well. If you're looking for a bunch of Atari authors, I know someone who might know where most of them are. So, getting the list together would be a good first step. I'm not sure if Steve Wozniak would come to a non-Apple-only party, but he might. I can definitely persuade him. As for picking a location and organizing the event, I know someone who's great at doing that and has done events exactly like this one. I also have a contact at a huge media company who is specifically working on putting together events for gaming. If you're all serious then I can gauge these guys' interest. - john The goal of the works of a genius' existance lies only in itself. > -Original Message- > From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > I know at least two people on this list are in San Diego. > (Disclaimer: one of them is me.) > > Hugh > > -Original Message- > From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > > I think it'd be a great idea. It would probably be good to hold it > > nearby to at least one person who is organizing it, for obvious > > reasons.. It might also be best to hold it out near the West Coast > > since, presumably, the majority of the 'celebrities' are probably > still > > in that area (I could be wrong..) and thus it would be cheaper and > > easier to ship them over, at least the first time. > > I know several of the Infocom authors are still in the Boston > area. But yeah, the majority of them are probably closer to CA. > > > I think even if some of the 'biggies' didn't show, we could > still get > a > > lot of them interested. Many of them are stuck now in mundane jobs > and > > would love to come and reminisce about the 'good ol' days' > with people > > who actually want to hear their stories I'm sure. It's just like > > grandpa sitting by the fireplace and telling his old war stories. :) > > Yeah, I was figuring we'd take a page from CGE and let them > make keynote presentations if they wanted. Talk about their > pioneering work, the culture of the industry, whatever they > wanted to talk about. Let them sign fan autographs if they > were willing. > > > Anyways in terms of contacts (and I don't know them > personally really > > but an e-mail address is better than nothing) I've got Don Worth > > (Beneath Apple Manor), Wizardry 8 team, Tim Snider > (Questbusters fame > - > > anyone know if Shay Addams os still around?), > > I've heard rumors he's still in or around Vegas. Tried to > track him down when I was out there but never did. I know > he's gotten out of computer gaming, though, and is now > focused on games of chance. > > > Jeff McCord (author of > > Sword of Fargoal), Ken Demarest (from Origin). And most of > us my now > > have come across Brian Moriarty, Scott Adams, and a few others like > > I dug through my list, turns out I also have: Don Woods, > Silas Warner, Al Lowe... Like you said, even 50% attendance > would be awesome. > > > We could also invite some of the more > > active vendors on eBay to buy a table, etc. > > Definitely. Eli Tomlinson... maybe Software & More, they're > in CA... There's a guy in Vegas who always seems to have a > ton of stuff. I'm sure Howard Sherman of Malinche would come > set up a table for his commercial I-F games. > > > http://www.vintage.org/events.php > > Any idea if its any good - could we use it as a starting point? > > Never heard of it before. Sounds promising, but I'd check > with them and make sure they're okay with a bunch of gamers > crashing their party. > > > something like this. As a scientist I am very familiar with > conferences > > and how they work, and although I've never helped organize > one myself > > before, I know some professors who have. > > Thanks Howard. I'm a little uncertain how we'd get started, > so any help you can provide would be great. Just throwing > out thoughts here... Need to book a place on a date before > we could do much else. Once we have a p
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I know at least two people on this list are in San Diego. (Disclaimer: one of them is me.) Hugh -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > I think it'd be a great idea. It would probably be good to hold it > nearby to at least one person who is organizing it, for obvious > reasons.. It might also be best to hold it out near the West Coast > since, presumably, the majority of the 'celebrities' are probably still > in that area (I could be wrong..) and thus it would be cheaper and > easier to ship them over, at least the first time. I know several of the Infocom authors are still in the Boston area. But yeah, the majority of them are probably closer to CA. > I think even if some of the 'biggies' didn't show, we could still get a > lot of them interested. Many of them are stuck now in mundane jobs and > would love to come and reminisce about the 'good ol' days' with people > who actually want to hear their stories I'm sure. It's just like > grandpa sitting by the fireplace and telling his old war stories. :) Yeah, I was figuring we'd take a page from CGE and let them make keynote presentations if they wanted. Talk about their pioneering work, the culture of the industry, whatever they wanted to talk about. Let them sign fan autographs if they were willing. > Anyways in terms of contacts (and I don't know them personally really > but an e-mail address is better than nothing) I've got Don Worth > (Beneath Apple Manor), Wizardry 8 team, Tim Snider (Questbusters fame - > anyone know if Shay Addams os still around?), I've heard rumors he's still in or around Vegas. Tried to track him down when I was out there but never did. I know he's gotten out of computer gaming, though, and is now focused on games of chance. > Jeff McCord (author of > Sword of Fargoal), Ken Demarest (from Origin). And most of us my now > have come across Brian Moriarty, Scott Adams, and a few others like I dug through my list, turns out I also have: Don Woods, Silas Warner, Al Lowe... Like you said, even 50% attendance would be awesome. > We could also invite some of the more > active vendors on eBay to buy a table, etc. Definitely. Eli Tomlinson... maybe Software & More, they're in CA... There's a guy in Vegas who always seems to have a ton of stuff. I'm sure Howard Sherman of Malinche would come set up a table for his commercial I-F games. > http://www.vintage.org/events.php > Any idea if its any good - could we use it as a starting point? Never heard of it before. Sounds promising, but I'd check with them and make sure they're okay with a bunch of gamers crashing their party. > something like this. As a scientist I am very familiar with conferences > and how they work, and although I've never helped organize one myself > before, I know some professors who have. Thanks Howard. I'm a little uncertain how we'd get started, so any help you can provide would be great. Just throwing out thoughts here... Need to book a place on a date before we could do much else. Once we have a place, I think I know someone who'd be willing to print up cool invitations (physical or electronic) for the celebs. We'd need to start publicizing this well in advance... anyone know how early submissions have to be made to gaming publications? We could throw together a press release. Need to have a website with info on the show, where/when, who's going to be there, events, maybe a link to buy tickets. I assume we'd charge for admission to recoup the travel costs for the guests. Need to know the legal crap involved with that, do we remit sales tax, how's all that work? Ditto for the dealers who are going to be selling. Plenty to talk about, everyone's input is welcome. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
> I think it'd be a great idea. It would probably be good to hold it > nearby to at least one person who is organizing it, for obvious > reasons.. It might also be best to hold it out near the West Coast > since, presumably, the majority of the 'celebrities' are probably still > in that area (I could be wrong..) and thus it would be cheaper and > easier to ship them over, at least the first time. I know several of the Infocom authors are still in the Boston area. But yeah, the majority of them are probably closer to CA. > I think even if some of the 'biggies' didn't show, we could still get a > lot of them interested. Many of them are stuck now in mundane jobs and > would love to come and reminisce about the 'good ol' days' with people > who actually want to hear their stories I'm sure. It's just like > grandpa sitting by the fireplace and telling his old war stories. :) Yeah, I was figuring we'd take a page from CGE and let them make keynote presentations if they wanted. Talk about their pioneering work, the culture of the industry, whatever they wanted to talk about. Let them sign fan autographs if they were willing. > Anyways in terms of contacts (and I don't know them personally really > but an e-mail address is better than nothing) I've got Don Worth > (Beneath Apple Manor), Wizardry 8 team, Tim Snider (Questbusters fame - > anyone know if Shay Addams os still around?), I've heard rumors he's still in or around Vegas. Tried to track him down when I was out there but never did. I know he's gotten out of computer gaming, though, and is now focused on games of chance. > Jeff McCord (author of > Sword of Fargoal), Ken Demarest (from Origin). And most of us my now > have come across Brian Moriarty, Scott Adams, and a few others like I dug through my list, turns out I also have: Don Woods, Silas Warner, Al Lowe... Like you said, even 50% attendance would be awesome. > We could also invite some of the more > active vendors on eBay to buy a table, etc. Definitely. Eli Tomlinson... maybe Software & More, they're in CA... There's a guy in Vegas who always seems to have a ton of stuff. I'm sure Howard Sherman of Malinche would come set up a table for his commercial I-F games. > http://www.vintage.org/events.php > Any idea if its any good - could we use it as a starting point? Never heard of it before. Sounds promising, but I'd check with them and make sure they're okay with a bunch of gamers crashing their party. > something like this. As a scientist I am very familiar with conferences > and how they work, and although I've never helped organize one myself > before, I know some professors who have. Thanks Howard. I'm a little uncertain how we'd get started, so any help you can provide would be great. Just throwing out thoughts here... Need to book a place on a date before we could do much else. Once we have a place, I think I know someone who'd be willing to print up cool invitations (physical or electronic) for the celebs. We'd need to start publicizing this well in advance... anyone know how early submissions have to be made to gaming publications? We could throw together a press release. Need to have a website with info on the show, where/when, who's going to be there, events, maybe a link to buy tickets. I assume we'd charge for admission to recoup the travel costs for the guests. Need to know the legal crap involved with that, do we remit sales tax, how's all that work? Ditto for the dealers who are going to be selling. Plenty to talk about, everyone's input is welcome. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
I think it'd be a great idea. It would probably be good to hold it nearby to at least one person who is organizing it, for obvious reasons.. It might also be best to hold it out near the West Coast since, presumably, the majority of the 'celebrities' are probably still in that area (I could be wrong..) and thus it would be cheaper and easier to ship them over, at least the first time. I think even if some of the 'biggies' didn't show, we could still get a lot of them interested. Many of them are stuck now in mundane jobs and would love to come and reminisce about the 'good ol' days' with people who actually want to hear their stories I'm sure. It's just like grandpa sitting by the fireplace and telling his old war stories. :) Anyways in terms of contacts (and I don't know them personally really but an e-mail address is better than nothing) I've got Don Worth (Beneath Apple Manor), Wizardry 8 team, Tim Snider (Questbusters fame - anyone know if Shay Addams os still around?), Jeff McCord (author of Sword of Fargoal), Ken Demarest (from Origin). And most of us my now have come across Brian Moriarty, Scott Adams, and a few others like that. That's about all I got. I'm sure if we pooled our knowledge we could get quite an imposing list however - and even if 50% of them agreed to show that'd be cool. We could also invite some of the more active vendors on eBay to buy a table, etc. Incidentally, has anyone heard of/gone to this in the past: http://www.vintage.org/events.php Any idea if its any good - could we use it as a starting point? No sense making a new meeting if its already covered here. The only contact name is Sellam Ismail, is he on this mailing list or does anyone know him? Anyways I'd be willing to help any way I can to organize something like this. As a scientist I am very familiar with conferences and how they work, and although I've never helped organize one myself before, I know some professors who have. Hugh Falk wrote: > > I'm all for it. It would be best if it was in a touristy area -- > Florida, California, Vegas, etc. Then there would be more reason to go > (for the family). > > Hugh > > -Original Message- > From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? > > This idea comes up every now and then, but we never seem to get past the > "we > should do this" stage. If everybody's serious, we could put something > like > this together. > > First we'd need to agree where to hold it, of course. East coast? West > coast? Middle of the country? (Of course it's going to be a major trip > for > anyone overseas, regardless.) > > We'd need to find a place to hold it, probably a bunch of us pool some > cash > to rent it. > > Need to publicize it, get the word out. Websites, game magazines. > Recruit > some vendors to fill up the tables. Talk to some former authors and > offer > to pay their way as guests, that'll up the attendance. I know some of > the > Infocom guys, and know a guy who's in touch with Ken and Roberta > Williams. > Joe, you might be able to get Garriott to come. No doubt John has a > bunch > of classic programmer friends. > > How 'bout it? Should we do something like this? Or just keep talking > about > doing it? B-) > > - Original Message - > From: "Lee K. Seitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Software Collecting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Mt. Drash cassette and market value > > > Howard Feldman stated: > > > > > >I went to the Classic Gaming Expo in Vegas in August. There were > tons > > >of 'famous' people there, > > > > >So since you ask, I think it would be cool to have something like > that > > >for vintage computer games. I'd love to meet some of the authors > > >myself, and hear some of their stories first hand instead of reading > > >about it in some book. As far as I know there isn't a meeting like > this > > >that I know of. > > -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://bioinfo.mshri.on.ca/people/feldman/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
I'm all for it. It would be best if it was in a touristy area -- Florida, California, Vegas, etc. Then there would be more reason to go (for the family). Hugh -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 6:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo? This idea comes up every now and then, but we never seem to get past the "we should do this" stage. If everybody's serious, we could put something like this together. First we'd need to agree where to hold it, of course. East coast? West coast? Middle of the country? (Of course it's going to be a major trip for anyone overseas, regardless.) We'd need to find a place to hold it, probably a bunch of us pool some cash to rent it. Need to publicize it, get the word out. Websites, game magazines. Recruit some vendors to fill up the tables. Talk to some former authors and offer to pay their way as guests, that'll up the attendance. I know some of the Infocom guys, and know a guy who's in touch with Ken and Roberta Williams. Joe, you might be able to get Garriott to come. No doubt John has a bunch of classic programmer friends. How 'bout it? Should we do something like this? Or just keep talking about doing it? B-) - Original Message - From: "Lee K. Seitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Software Collecting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Mt. Drash cassette and market value > Howard Feldman stated: > > > >I went to the Classic Gaming Expo in Vegas in August. There were tons > >of 'famous' people there, > > >So since you ask, I think it would be cool to have something like that > >for vintage computer games. I'd love to meet some of the authors > >myself, and hear some of their stories first hand instead of reading > >about it in some book. As far as I know there isn't a meeting like this > >that I know of. > > You do realize Mr. Romero is the man behind the Apple II Reunion > (http://www.gamespot.com/features/apple2/), right? It was invitation > only (which I completely understand the reasons for), but it *would* > be cool to have something like that open to the public. I know there > are some classic computer (as opposed to video game) shows here and > there, but I'm not sure that they have many "celebrity" guests. > > -- > Lee K. Seitz > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Software Collecting Expo?
This idea comes up every now and then, but we never seem to get past the "we should do this" stage. If everybody's serious, we could put something like this together. First we'd need to agree where to hold it, of course. East coast? West coast? Middle of the country? (Of course it's going to be a major trip for anyone overseas, regardless.) We'd need to find a place to hold it, probably a bunch of us pool some cash to rent it. Need to publicize it, get the word out. Websites, game magazines. Recruit some vendors to fill up the tables. Talk to some former authors and offer to pay their way as guests, that'll up the attendance. I know some of the Infocom guys, and know a guy who's in touch with Ken and Roberta Williams. Joe, you might be able to get Garriott to come. No doubt John has a bunch of classic programmer friends. How 'bout it? Should we do something like this? Or just keep talking about doing it? B-) - Original Message - From: "Lee K. Seitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Software Collecting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Mt. Drash cassette and market value > Howard Feldman stated: > > > >I went to the Classic Gaming Expo in Vegas in August. There were tons > >of 'famous' people there, > > >So since you ask, I think it would be cool to have something like that > >for vintage computer games. I'd love to meet some of the authors > >myself, and hear some of their stories first hand instead of reading > >about it in some book. As far as I know there isn't a meeting like this > >that I know of. > > You do realize Mr. Romero is the man behind the Apple II Reunion > (http://www.gamespot.com/features/apple2/), right? It was invitation > only (which I completely understand the reasons for), but it *would* > be cool to have something like that open to the public. I know there > are some classic computer (as opposed to video game) shows here and > there, but I'm not sure that they have many "celebrity" guests. > > -- > Lee K. Seitz > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to > the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' > Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
