RE: [SWCollect] Some questions
I do have the original Might and Magic for the Apple. It is a 9 x 12 spiral bound book and did not come in a box. The Apple II 64K required sticker that would normally be on the outside of a box is placed on the jacket of the book. Hugh -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Some questions Stephen S. Lee wrote: I was actually talking about Champions of Krynn, not Pool (never heard of Oh, Krynn! Yes, my friend had this given to him as a gift, and I distinctly remember a poster being included. (IBM PC version) I have seen MM1 for the PC with a spiral-bound manual, although my memory says it's a 5x7 manual, not large. My memory could be wrong... but it was definitely spiral-bound. Son of a gun ... I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for that one, too. You sure about this? Hugh seems to disagree ... It was a large box, that much I remember. But this was a long time ago. If there is a dispute, I'll defer to Hugh, as he probably owns it. Buy now if the price is $9 or less. You can always sell later. That's what I do, but I'm not everyone. Yeah, but these sorts of games typically go on eBay for $25+. I pick But don't get them off of ebay -- you need to learn the fine art of oldwarezing (visiting all sorts of thrift shops, used software stores (a surprising amount of them exist in Illinois), goodwill, and other nooks and crannies. Or, just be patient and always bid low for something that comes up a lot, and you might get it. Chris is fond of sharing stories of things like someone putting up a complete Infocom with a Buy This Now price of $5 (doh!) :-) Chris and Tom, both on this list, are experts in oldwarezing. I have tagged along with them on one of their runs and learned a lot; Chris, in particular, has a knack for finding the neat obscure stuff, like Michael Berlyn novels. Chris, care to spare any advice on finding stuff? Or have you written about that subject already in the YOIS newsletter? these off at a slow pace -- sometimes the going price on eBay skyrockets alarmingly, as happened notably with the Sierra collections. I'm just wondering whether The Neverhood will always be $60-70, or whether it will be profitable to wait for the price to dip to $25, or whether I should buy ten copies now and make a mint in a few years. :) I wouldn't use software as a profit device -- some people do, but tastes change (and people's IQ goes up and down ;-) and I've never tried to make money off of it. However, I *know* other people on this list do it, and some do it well -- maybe they should offer up some advice? The price of Kilrathi Saga just blows my mind. People who are paying those prices (I've seen as high as $500) are incredibly stupid. It's just not worth that much. Yeah, well, nothing much you can do about the desperate game-players ... I still want my Wing Commander calendar, though. :) I guess they don't realize that they can purchase Wing Commanders 1, 2, and 3, buy a 486 and a Roland MT-32, and play them all for much less than $500. (The remastered soundtrack for the Kilrathi Saga is just the MT-32 soundtrack saved to .WAV files that play during the game.) The film can release of Wing Commander 3 is a hell of a lot more rare and worth a thousand dollars at least (came in an actual film can, with extra materials including a t-shirt). Ah, I don't think it's worth quite so much, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a complete copy on eBay for $125. (Absolutely complete; this almost always shows up missing a part or five.) Huge bugger of a package (it doesn't all come in the can; the can itself comes in a larger box), too; not sure how I'll put it on my shelves in the place I'm moving to. Kick ass! I envy you. It's definitely worth more for the simple reason that much less were produced, only about 1500 if memory serves. There were 22,000 Kilrathi Sagas on shelves and probably more in warehouses. This *was* obtaininable direct from EA until relatively recently, actually. (Same for the Martian Dreams clue book, sigh.) I wish I had known that! :-( (6) Truly ancient IBM games There are four IBM games I know of that come in a small flat gray plastic folder (this is how the very first IBM games came packaged): [snip] Wow, you're definitely hard-core IBM. :-) Warms my heart to see that. Yes, these were the first four entertainment titles for the IBM PC Model 5150. I don't see any more in my catalogs until the later plastic clam-shell packaging. Dude, you've got the catalogs too. Lucky bastard. :) But I don't have the games! Lucky bastard. ;) You might be interested to know that there were third-party games for the IBM available very closely after the 5150's release (ie. the above 4 you list weren't the only first games available). Check www.mobygames.com for funtastic games
Re: [SWCollect] Some questions
Hugh was kind enough to respond to this too, so I'll keep his writing in mind here ... On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Jim Leonard wrote: [snip] There is a poster that comes with the game, but I was under the impression that it only came with the Commodore versions (both C64 and Amiga). Now I've heard of an IBM version that also comes with it, and mentions the presence of the poster via a sticker on the box. How easy is this one to come by? I can't verify it's rarity for sure, but I know that I bought Pools of Radiance RIGHT when it was delivered to stores in 1988 and I did not get a poster. It might have been a promotional add-in to help sell extra copies of the game at a later point in time. I was actually talking about Champions of Krynn, not Pool (never heard of a poster for that one). Apparently the poster is more widespread than I originally though (if the poster also appears in the Apple version). Does Death Knights of Krynn (any system) also have one, or does it not? (2) Might Magic I Tangent from (1): now I wonder whether there exists an IBM version of the original Might Magic with the large spiral-bound manual. I have seen MM1 for the PC with a spiral-bound manual, although my memory says it's a 5x7 manual, not large. My memory could be wrong... but it was definitely spiral-bound. Son of a gun ... I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for that one, too. You sure about this? Hugh seems to disagree ... (3) Acquiring semi-recent games I realize this is somewhat like asking to predict the performance of an arbitrary stock, but I'll ask anyway. Regarding games like I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and The Neverhood (games that aren't old, but are out of print, aren't likely to be re-released, and are sought after by serious adventure-gaming fans): do you think these will get easier or harder to acquire as time passes? I'm wondering whether to buy now or to wait. Buy now if the price is $9 or less. You can always sell later. That's what I do, but I'm not everyone. Yeah, but these sorts of games typically go on eBay for $25+. I pick these off at a slow pace -- sometimes the going price on eBay skyrockets alarmingly, as happened notably with the Sierra collections. I'm just wondering whether The Neverhood will always be $60-70, or whether it will be profitable to wait for the price to dip to $25, or whether I should buy ten copies now and make a mint in a few years. :) I'm also wondering whether the price of Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga will ever come down to earth. With my Killer Retrogaming Rig, I don't need this to play, like many of the people who shell out big bucks for this do. I'd love to complete a Wing Commander collection, though -- just not for $200+ if I can help it. The price of Kilrathi Saga just blows my mind. People who are paying those prices (I've seen as high as $500) are incredibly stupid. It's just not worth that much. Yeah, well, nothing much you can do about the desperate game-players ... I still want my Wing Commander calendar, though. :) The film can release of Wing Commander 3 is a hell of a lot more rare and worth a thousand dollars at least (came in an actual film can, with extra materials including a t-shirt). Ah, I don't think it's worth quite so much, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a complete copy on eBay for $125. (Absolutely complete; this almost always shows up missing a part or five.) Huge bugger of a package (it doesn't all come in the can; the can itself comes in a larger box), too; not sure how I'll put it on my shelves in the place I'm moving to. This *was* obtaininable direct from EA until relatively recently, actually. (Same for the Martian Dreams clue book, sigh.) (5) Wasteland Yes, another IBM question ... does the IBM version of this only come in the book package? I've run into a couple people who want an IBM square flat folder, and want to be able to say with certainty that it doesn't exist. The IBM version only game in the book package. You can say with certainty that the IBM version of Wasteland never came out in folio form. Ah, good. It's always hard to deal with traders who want something that you think doesn't exist. (I remember trying to convince someone that Star Control II doesn't naturally come with the white map and the clue book, to no avail.) (6) Truly ancient IBM games There are four IBM games I know of that come in a small flat gray plastic folder (this is how the very first IBM games came packaged): [snip] Wow, you're definitely hard-core IBM. :-) Warms my heart to see that. Yes, these were the first four entertainment titles for the IBM PC Model 5150. I don't see any more in my catalogs until the later plastic clam-shell packaging. Dude, you've got the catalogs too. Lucky bastard. :) You might be interested to know that there were third-party games for the IBM available very closely after the 5150's release (ie.
Re: [SWCollect] Some questions
(1) Champions of Krynn I've heard of an IBM version that also comes with it, and mentions the presence of the poster via a sticker on the box. How easy is this one to come by? I've never seen one, but then, I rarely pick these up since I'm not very into fantasy RPGs and these haven't proven themselves as very prized collectibles. (Will keep an eye out for the poster, though, now that I know about it.) (2) Might Magic I Tangent from (1): now I wonder whether there exists an IBM version of the original Might Magic with the large spiral-bound manual. All I've ever seen is the smaller manual (though that doesn't prove anything). (3) Acquiring semi-recent games Regarding games like I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and The Neverhood (games that aren't old, but are out of print, aren't likely to be re-released, and are sought after by serious adventure-gaming fans): do you think these will get easier or harder to acquire as time passes? I'm wondering whether to buy now or to wait. Probably more difficult, as the retrogaming movement has already caught up with these titles, meaning they'll be snapped up as soon as the masses clean out their closets in a few years. I'm also wondering whether the price of Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga will ever come down to earth. I doubt it with this one. I've received so many waiting-list requests for it that, when I move to the new Shoppe codebase, I'll probably add it to the set of ultra-rares that I no longer keep a waiting list for (because I'm never going to find enough for everybody who wants one). It's the 1990s equivalent of the Starcross saucer. (4) Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders Another IBM-specific question. Other than the program itself, what's the difference in packaging between the original version and the enhanced-graphics version? No difference at all, not even the system info on the box. (5) Wasteland Yes, another IBM question ... does the IBM version of this only come in the book package? I've run into a couple people who want an IBM square flat folder, and want to be able to say with certainty that it doesn't exist. I don't believe it was... and if Hugh Falk hasn't seen it, it's a safe bet it doesn't exist. (6) Truly ancient IBM games There are four IBM games I know of that come in a small flat gray plastic folder (this is how the very first IBM games came packaged): To my knowledge, the ones you mention are the only four available. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Some questions
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, C.E. Forman wrote: (1) Champions of Krynn I've heard of an IBM version that also comes with it, and mentions the presence of the poster via a sticker on the box. How easy is this one to come by? I've never seen one, but then, I rarely pick these up since I'm not very into fantasy RPGs and these haven't proven themselves as very prized collectibles. (Will keep an eye out for the poster, though, now that I know about it.) I'll probably compile the Grand Master List Of Things I Want and fire it off in your direction in a few months, heh. It is a bit disconcerting finding that a set you thought you had complete actually might not be, though. [snip] (3) Acquiring semi-recent games Regarding games like I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and The Neverhood (games that aren't old, but are out of print, aren't likely to be re-released, and are sought after by serious adventure-gaming fans): do you think these will get easier or harder to acquire as time passes? I'm wondering whether to buy now or to wait. Probably more difficult, as the retrogaming movement has already caught up with these titles, meaning they'll be snapped up as soon as the masses clean out their closets in a few years. I feared as much. Guess I'll just have the suck it up and shell out the moolah then (or get lucky in a thrift store, heh). I'm also wondering whether the price of Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga will ever come down to earth. I doubt it with this one. I've received so many waiting-list requests for it that, when I move to the new Shoppe codebase, I'll probably add it to the set of ultra-rares that I no longer keep a waiting list for (because I'm never going to find enough for everybody who wants one). It's the 1990s equivalent of the Starcross saucer. Heh, well, I certainly don't think of it as rare -- it's not hard to find; there are usually two or three (often more) copies of the game (a goodly number of them never opened) floating around on eBay at any given moment. It's downright common, I think. (Certainly more common than, say,.the original IBM Archon where I just recently held off a last-minute sniper attack.) It just so happens that demand for it is very great. Maybe you should disallow waiting-list entries for items like this that are relatively common. I get the impression that lots of these guys just want to get a cheap price and figure they can pay you less. Thanks for the answers, everybody! -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
RE: [SWCollect] Some questions
My Death Knights of Krynn (C-64) has no poster. Hugh -Original Message- From: Stephen S. Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Some questions Hugh was kind enough to respond to this too, so I'll keep his writing in mind here ... On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Jim Leonard wrote: [snip] There is a poster that comes with the game, but I was under the impression that it only came with the Commodore versions (both C64 and Amiga). Now I've heard of an IBM version that also comes with it, and mentions the presence of the poster via a sticker on the box. How easy is this one to come by? I can't verify it's rarity for sure, but I know that I bought Pools of Radiance RIGHT when it was delivered to stores in 1988 and I did not get a poster. It might have been a promotional add-in to help sell extra copies of the game at a later point in time. I was actually talking about Champions of Krynn, not Pool (never heard of a poster for that one). Apparently the poster is more widespread than I originally though (if the poster also appears in the Apple version). Does Death Knights of Krynn (any system) also have one, or does it not? (2) Might Magic I Tangent from (1): now I wonder whether there exists an IBM version of the original Might Magic with the large spiral-bound manual. I have seen MM1 for the PC with a spiral-bound manual, although my memory says it's a 5x7 manual, not large. My memory could be wrong... but it was definitely spiral-bound. Son of a gun ... I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for that one, too. You sure about this? Hugh seems to disagree ... (3) Acquiring semi-recent games I realize this is somewhat like asking to predict the performance of an arbitrary stock, but I'll ask anyway. Regarding games like I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream and The Neverhood (games that aren't old, but are out of print, aren't likely to be re-released, and are sought after by serious adventure-gaming fans): do you think these will get easier or harder to acquire as time passes? I'm wondering whether to buy now or to wait. Buy now if the price is $9 or less. You can always sell later. That's what I do, but I'm not everyone. Yeah, but these sorts of games typically go on eBay for $25+. I pick these off at a slow pace -- sometimes the going price on eBay skyrockets alarmingly, as happened notably with the Sierra collections. I'm just wondering whether The Neverhood will always be $60-70, or whether it will be profitable to wait for the price to dip to $25, or whether I should buy ten copies now and make a mint in a few years. :) I'm also wondering whether the price of Wing Commander Kilrathi Saga will ever come down to earth. With my Killer Retrogaming Rig, I don't need this to play, like many of the people who shell out big bucks for this do. I'd love to complete a Wing Commander collection, though -- just not for $200+ if I can help it. The price of Kilrathi Saga just blows my mind. People who are paying those prices (I've seen as high as $500) are incredibly stupid. It's just not worth that much. Yeah, well, nothing much you can do about the desperate game-players ... I still want my Wing Commander calendar, though. :) The film can release of Wing Commander 3 is a hell of a lot more rare and worth a thousand dollars at least (came in an actual film can, with extra materials including a t-shirt). Ah, I don't think it's worth quite so much, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a complete copy on eBay for $125. (Absolutely complete; this almost always shows up missing a part or five.) Huge bugger of a package (it doesn't all come in the can; the can itself comes in a larger box), too; not sure how I'll put it on my shelves in the place I'm moving to. This *was* obtaininable direct from EA until relatively recently, actually. (Same for the Martian Dreams clue book, sigh.) (5) Wasteland Yes, another IBM question ... does the IBM version of this only come in the book package? I've run into a couple people who want an IBM square flat folder, and want to be able to say with certainty that it doesn't exist. The IBM version only game in the book package. You can say with certainty that the IBM version of Wasteland never came out in folio form. Ah, good. It's always hard to deal with traders who want something that you think doesn't exist. (I remember trying to convince someone that Star Control II doesn't naturally come with the white map and the clue book, to no avail.) (6) Truly ancient IBM games There are four IBM games I know of that come in a small flat gray plastic folder (this is how the very first IBM games came packaged): [snip] Wow, you're definitely hard-core IBM. :-) Warms my heart to see that. Yes, these were the first four entertainment titles for the IBM PC Model 5150. I don't see any more in my catalogs
