Re: [swinog] IPV6 Go (lazy providers)

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
Guys, this conversation turns really funny sometimes. One says, I have a complex IT and network landscape with hundreds or thousands devices and business applications, and ipv6 deployment is not justified by today's needs. The other goes, nah, forget this crap, I tried ipv6 in my kitchen, and

Re: [swinog] Vista has broken RR DNS - comments?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Michael Krygier wrote: Any comments about what Drplokta wrote on his blog about Windows Vista implementing RFC3484 and breaking Round Robin DNS? It does *NOT* break Round Robin DNS, it breaks the assumption what people make when they setup their DNS in that manner. Slight difference ;) Clients

Re: [swinog] Vista has broken RR DNS - comments?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Jeroen Massar wrote: Michael Krygier wrote: Any comments about what Drplokta wrote on his blog about Windows Vista implementing RFC3484 and breaking Round Robin DNS? It does *NOT* break Round Robin DNS, it breaks the assumption what people make when they setup their DNS in that manner.

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Reza Kordi schrieb: Do you know if anybody offers a VDSL upstream with BGP dynamic routing? Customer is in ZUG city. how evil ... serious: BGP over L2TP dial up infrastructure (yes, xDSL over BBCS _is_ dialup) should not be implemented. We got several inquiries in the past years and refused

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
Fredy, if I remember it right, about a year ago you mentioned that Init7 is deploying the ULL presence? Regardless of that, the unbundled service is slowly coming to Switzerland, and soon one may expect TR-069, DHCP based service on the last mile copper. Then it's no longer a dialup, but

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Reza Kordi
Thank you all for the cool ideas and even better quotes that I received today. Of course I understand that some comments were coming from those who are making their profits specially on BGP interconnects. If you need BGP buy my expensive LL is the wrong idea pal. -Original Message-

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: Fredy, if I remember it right, about a year ago you mentioned that Init7 is deploying the ULL presence? We considered it after doing the ULL pilot, but due to business opportunity considerations we cancelled ULL (copper) deployments. F.

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Reza Kordi schrieb: Thank you all for the cool ideas and even better quotes that I received today. Of course I understand that some comments were coming from those who are making their profits specially on BGP interconnects. If you need BGP buy my expensive LL is the wrong idea pal. To

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Lukas Beeler
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. There's some talk about requiring about 128MB of memory, and budget concerns of

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Reza Kordi
Hi F, Can you define the BGP over xDSL will flap way more What shall I expect here? Did you ever test this as redundancy scenario for existing BGP environments? Cheers, Reza -Original Message- From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Lukas Beeler wrote: [..] I understand that routers use ASICs and probably faster memory than servers, but i can't really imagine it to be a problem to pop 4GB memory into a router that's connected directly to the internet. Now, where am i mistaken? The fact that you then also have to handle

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Lukas Beeler schrieb: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. Yes it is. Of course BOGONs are outdated, but the

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden ueli heuer
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:08:08 +0100 Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Everybody: please don't offer BGP over DSL polluting the BGP table for CHF 20 or 40 net revenue. There are other redundancy options and backup solutions using xDSL. BGP over SDSL works fine. But you shouldn't run BGP

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
On 05.03.2009, at 19:28, Lukas Beeler wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. There's some talk about

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Daniele Guazzoni
Lukas Beeler wrote: Now, even expensive FB-DIMM memory by vendors like HP and IBM only costs around 360 CHF for 4 GB. And even small two way x86 boxes max out at around 32 - 48 GB. Even if Cisco and Juniper charge 10x as much, that'd still be only 3600 CHF. I understand that routers use