subject:"\[sword\-devel\] osis2mod"

Thank you Michael, it now works correctly.

 

Best regards,

 

Johan Marais

Institute for Scripture Research

 <http://www.messianic.co.za/> www.messianic.co.za 

 

From: Michael H [mailto:cma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 19:38
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

One step beyond from DM Smith's response: if you correct the osis2mod statement 
to output to the rawtext folder, it should conform to naming conventions. You 
might also have to update the conf file to point to this location. 

That is

 

use this command to create the module:


osis2mod ./modules/texts/rawtext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009

and modify the appropriate lines in the conf file: 

 

[TS2009]

DataPath=./modules/texts/rawtext/ts2009/

ModDrv=RawText

CompressType=ZIP <--- delete this line if it exists

CipherKey=TS1998 <--- delete this line if you started with the conf file for 
TS1998. 

 

Note the bracketed first line is the text you should see in front end programs 
to select the module. Frontend programs do not display the path outside of 
module management. 

 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 11:47 AM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org 
<mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org> > wrote:

Johan,

 

The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those folders 
should already be there. There should be some kind of failure message if it 
cannot open the output files for writing. If there are currently files there it 
should update them.

 

Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put 
there won’t be compressed.

 

osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be created 
based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for osis2mod. I’m 
guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression. If that’s the case 
the module won’t work.

 

Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have permission 
to write to c:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD 
Project\modules\texts\ztext\ts2009

 

Hope this helps,

DM Smith

 

 

 





On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za 
<mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> > wrote:

 

DM Smith,

 

It looks like this:

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>osis2mod 
./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>

 

Only the following are in the “The SWORD Project” folder:

Utilities from Xiphos

TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file

ts2009.conf file in the “mods.d” folder

The following folder structure, under “The SWORD Project”

modules

   texts

  ztext

 ts2009

 

The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the 

DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/

 

Thank you,

 

Johan

From: DM Smith [ <mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org> mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum < <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> 
sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

Johan,

Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question. 

— DM Smith

 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan < <mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> 
johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:

Good day,

I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword bible 
module, using osis2mod.

It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.

I receive this message:

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

This is the message directly under the command line.

What could be the problem please?

Thanks for all the help.

Johan

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

Thank you David.

 

The DataPath in the conf is indeed with a forward slash, i.e. - 
DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/

 

Best regards,

 

Johan Marais

Institute for Scripture Research

 <http://www.messianic.co.za/> www.messianic.co.za 

 

From: David Haslam [mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 19:21
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

Except in the .conf file, the module path in Windows should use rather than /

 

The .conf file is cross-platform, so a choice was made at the beginning to use 
/ as in Linux. 

 

Best regards, David 

 

 

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

  _  

 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 16:47, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org 
<mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org> > wrote:

Johan, 

 

The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those folders 
should already be there. There should be some kind of failure message if it 
cannot open the output files for writing. If there are currently files there it 
should update them. 

 

Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put 
there won’t be compressed.

 

osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be created 
based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for osis2mod. I’m 
guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression. If that’s the case 
the module won’t work.

 

Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have permission 
to write to c:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Projectmodules extsztext 
s2009

 

Hope this helps,

DM Smith 

  _  

 

On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za 
<mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> > wrote:

 

DM Smith, 

  

It looks like this: 

  

C:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Project>osis2mod 
./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009 

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $ 

Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009 

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest 

  

C:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Project> 

  

Only the following are in the "The SWORD Project" folder: 

Utilities from Xiphos 

TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file 

ts2009.conf file in the "mods.d" folder 

The following folder structure, under "The SWORD Project" 

modules 

   texts 

  ztext 

 ts2009 

  

The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the  

DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ 

  

Thank you, 

  

Johan 

From: DM Smith [ <mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org> mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org]  
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18 
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum < <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> 
sword-devel@crosswire.org> 
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod 

  

Johan, 

Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question.  

— DM Smith 

  


On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan < <mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> 
johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote: 

Good day, 

I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword bible 
module, using osis2mod. 

It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output. 

I receive this message: 

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $ 

Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx 

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest 

This is the message directly under the command line. 

What could be the problem please? 

Thanks for all the help. 

Johan 

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

Thank you very much DM, much appreciated.

 

It was indeed my write access to the folder that caused the problem, now sorted 
and the module, on first glance, displays correctly in Xiphos.

 

Best regards,

 

Johan Marais

Institute for Scripture Research

 <http://www.messianic.co.za/> www.messianic.co.za 

 

From: DM Smith [mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 18:48
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

Johan,

 

The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those folders 
should already be there. There should be some kind of failure message if it 
cannot open the output files for writing. If there are currently files there it 
should update them.

 

Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put 
there won’t be compressed.

 

osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be created 
based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for osis2mod. I’m 
guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression. If that’s the case 
the module won’t work.

 

Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have permission 
to write to c:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD 
Project\modules\texts\ztext\ts2009

 

Hope this helps,

DM Smith

 

 





On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za 
<mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> > wrote:

 

DM Smith,

 

It looks like this:

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>osis2mod 
./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>

 

Only the following are in the “The SWORD Project” folder:

Utilities from Xiphos

TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file

ts2009.conf file in the “mods.d” folder

The following folder structure, under “The SWORD Project”

modules

   texts

  ztext

 ts2009

 

The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the 

DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/

 

Thank you,

 

Johan

From: DM Smith [ <mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org> mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum < <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> 
sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

Johan,

Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question. 

— DM Smith

 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan < <mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> 
johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:

Good day,

I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword bible 
module, using osis2mod.

It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.

I receive this message:

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

This is the message directly under the command line.

What could be the problem please?

Thanks for all the help.

Johan

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2018-03-11 Thread Michael H

One step beyond from DM Smith's response: if you correct the osis2mod
statement to output to the rawtext folder, it should conform to naming
conventions. You might also have to update the conf file to point to this
location.

That is

use this command to create the module:

osis2mod ./modules/texts/*rawtext*/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009

and modify the appropriate lines in the conf file:

*[TS2009]*
DataPath=./modules/texts/*rawtext/ts2009/*
ModDrv=*RawText*
*CompressType=ZIP *<--- delete this line if it exists
*CipherKey=TS1998* <--- delete this line if you started with the conf file
for TS1998.

Note the bracketed first line is the text you should see in front end
programs to select the module. Frontend programs do not display the path
outside of module management.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 11:47 AM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:

> Johan,
>
> The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those
> folders should already be there. There should be some kind of failure
> message if it cannot open the output files for writing. If there are
> currently files there it should update them.
>
> Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put
> there won’t be compressed.
>
> osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be
> created based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for
> osis2mod. I’m guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression.
> If that’s the case the module won’t work.
>
> Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have
> permission to write to c:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD
> Project\modules\texts\ztext\ts2009
>
> Hope this helps,
> DM Smith
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:
>
> DM Smith,
>
> It looks like this:
>
> C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>osis2mod
> ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
> Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009
> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>
> C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>
>
> Only the following are in the “The SWORD Project” folder:
> Utilities from Xiphos
> TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file
> ts2009.conf file in the “mods.d” folder
> The following folder structure, under “The SWORD Project”
> modules
>texts
>   ztext
>  ts2009
>
> The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the
> DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/
>
> Thank you,
>
> Johan
> *From:* DM Smith [mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org <dmsm...@crosswire.org>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
> *To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod
>
> Johan,
>
> Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question.
> — DM Smith
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:
>
> Good day,
> I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword
> bible module, using osis2mod.
> It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.
> I receive this message:
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
> Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx
>
> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>
> This is the message directly under the command line.
>
> What could be the problem please?
>
> Thanks for all the help.
>
> Johan
>
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2018-03-11 Thread David Haslam

Except in the .conf file, the module path in Windows should use rather than /

The .conf file is cross-platform, so a choice was made at the beginning to use 
/ as in Linux.

Best regards, David

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 16:47, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:

> Johan,
>
> The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those folders 
> should already be there. There should be some kind of failure message if it 
> cannot open the output files for writing. If there are currently files there 
> it should update them.
>
> Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put 
> there won’t be compressed.
>
> osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be created 
> based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for osis2mod. 
> I’m guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression. If that’s 
> the case the module won’t work.
>
> Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have permission 
> to write to c:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Projectmodules extsztext 
> s2009
>
> Hope this helps,
> DM Smith
>
>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> DM Smith,
>>
>> It looks like this:
>>
>> C:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Project>osis2mod 
>> ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009
>>
>> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
>>
>> Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009
>>
>> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>>
>> C:Program Files (x86)CrossWireThe SWORD Project>
>>
>> Only the following are in the "The SWORD Project" folder:
>>
>> Utilities from Xiphos
>>
>> TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file
>>
>> ts2009.conf file in the "mods.d" folder
>>
>> The following folder structure, under "The SWORD Project"
>>
>> modules
>>
>>texts
>>
>>   ztext
>>
>>      ts2009
>>
>> The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the
>>
>> DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Johan
>>
>> From: DM Smith [mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
>> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod
>>
>> Johan,
>>
>> Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question.
>>
>> — DM Smith
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day,
>>>
>>> I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword 
>>> bible module, using osis2mod.
>>>
>>> It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.
>>>
>>> I receive this message:
>>>
>>> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
>>>
>>> Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx
>>>
>>> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>>>
>>> This is the message directly under the command line.
>>>
>>> What could be the problem please?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the help.
>>>
>>> Johan
>>
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2018-03-11 Thread DM Smith

Johan,

The output should be located at ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009. Those folders 
should already be there. There should be some kind of failure message if it 
cannot open the output files for writing. If there are currently files there it 
should update them.

Since you didn’t include any flags for compression, the module that is put 
there won’t be compressed.

osis2mod doesn’t care about the module’s conf. That is supposed to be created 
based upon how you build the module, i.e. what flags you use for osis2mod. I’m 
guessing your conf doesn’t match with regard to compression. If that’s the case 
the module won’t work.

Also if you are on a modern version of Windows, you might not have permission 
to write to c:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD 
Project\modules\texts\ztext\ts2009

Hope this helps,
DM Smith



> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> wrote:
> 
> DM Smith,
>  
> It looks like this:
>  
> C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>osis2mod 
> ./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
> Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009
> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>  
> C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>
>  
> Only the following are in the “The SWORD Project” folder:
> Utilities from Xiphos
> TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file
> ts2009.conf file in the “mods.d” folder
> The following folder structure, under “The SWORD Project”
> modules
>texts
>   ztext
>  ts2009
>  
> The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the 
> DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Johan
> From: DM Smith [mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org <mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org>] 
> Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org 
> <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org>>
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod
>  
> Johan,
> Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question. 
> 
> — DM Smith
>  
> 
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za 
> <mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za>> wrote:
> 
>> Good day,
>> I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword 
>> bible module, using osis2mod.
>> It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.
>> I receive this message:
>> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
>> Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx
>> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
>> 
>> This is the message directly under the command line.
>> 
>> What could be the problem please?
>> 
>> Thanks for all the help.
>> 
>> Johan
>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

DM Smith,

 

It looks like this:

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>osis2mod 
./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/ TS2009Ver100.osis.xml -c ts2009

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: ts2009

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\CrossWire\The SWORD Project>

 

Only the following are in the “The SWORD Project” folder:

Utilities from Xiphos

TS2009Ver100.osis.xml file

ts2009.conf file in the “mods.d” folder

The following folder structure, under “The SWORD Project”

modules

   texts

  ztext

 ts2009

 

The .conf file starts with [TS2009] and the 

DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/ts2009/

 

Thank you,

 

Johan

From: DM Smith [mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org] 
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:18
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

 

Johan,

Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question. 

— DM Smith

 


On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan <johan.mar...@messianic.co.za 
<mailto:johan.mar...@messianic.co.za> > wrote:

Good day,

I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword bible 
module, using osis2mod.

It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.

I receive this message:

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

This is the message directly under the command line.

What could be the problem please?

Thanks for all the help.

Johan

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2018-03-11 Thread DM Smith

Johan,
Please tell us your entire command line. We can then answer your question. 

— DM Smith


> On Mar 11, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Johan  wrote:
> 
> Good day,
> 
> I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword 
> bible module, using osis2mod.
> 
> It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.
> 
> I receive this message:
> 
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
> Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx
> SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
> This is the message directly under the command line.
> What could be the problem please?
> Thanks for all the help.
> Johan
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[sword-devel] osis2mod

Good day,

I created a bible module (osis.xml) which I want to convert into a Sword bible 
module, using osis2mod.

It looks as if it works correctly, but there is no output.

I receive this message:

You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $

Adding cipher filter with phrase: xx

SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

This is the message directly under the command line.

What could be the problem please?

Thanks for all the help.

Johan

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod changes

2016-02-07 Thread David Haslam

If someone would kindly compile the Win32 edition, I'd be happy to give the
updated osis2mod.exe a whirl.

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[sword-devel] osis2mod changes

2016-02-06 Thread DM Smith

I’ve just updated osis2mod to do 2 things:
1) leave … alone. That is don’t change the divs to 
milestones.
2) look for entities that shouldn’t be in a module and report them. While 
numeric entities are allowed in xml, SWORD does not convert these to their text 
value. At a later date, we can change osis2mod to convert them to their text 
value.

Now to document the change in the wiki…

In Him,
DM


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

2015-09-06 Thread Michael H

I've been unable to verify what I was looking at when I came to the
conclusion that NRSV was used when osis2mod is run without a -v parameter.

My apologies to DM Smith and David H for creating any misunderstanding.

I now suspect I've misread a New Testament introduction that claims to be
following the King James Version to apply to the versification, when it was
only intended to apply to the source text used. (which means an error
'appending 3 John 15 to 14' was probably misunderstood as a default in the
program, not a vague statement in that intro.)


( https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Worldwide-English-New-Testament-WE/
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification/MIDVERSE SECTION TITLES

2015-09-06 Thread DM Smith

Yay!

— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson  > wrote:
> 
> I just tried a build with midverse section titles turned on with Xiphos, and 
> lo and behold, it worked! Someone fixed something or my memory was faulty or 
> both.
> Verified with kkl2015eb, Acts 9:19. (This is the newest Bible in the 
> collection.)
> If you don't want to see the noncanonical section headings, you can always 
> turn them off. The GlobalOptionFilter=OSISHeadings conf option is set where 
> applicable (which will be for most of the Bibles in the collection).
> The eBible.org/swordbeta  repository is being 
> incrementally updated again, turning section titles on globally.
> 
> On 09/05/2015 01:56 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>> Yes
>> 
>> Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 5 Sep 2015 11:44 pm, 
>> Kahunapule Michael Johnson  
>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Should I re-enable section titles (including mid-verse section titles) in 
>>> > the OSIS I feed to osis2mod? I recall discussions about things not 
>>> > working right, but don't recall the details of what failed how in which 
>>> > front ends.
>>> >
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

The utility imp2vs also provides for a -v flag. The default is KJV.

The copy of imp2vs.exe installed along with Xiphos 4.0.3 is still Rev 2234.

Defaults in SWORD utilities should remain consistent.

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

There are a few more changes that can be documented, such as the change of the 
flags regarding compression and the addition of other compression 
methodologies. Both SWORD and JSword properly support these.

— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 3:22 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
> 
> All significant changes for osis2mod should be documented!
> 
> Here's where past changes are listed.
> 
> http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Osis2mod#History_of_Changes
> 
> Changing a default setting is one of the worst things a programmer can
> do!
> 
> It would be better to have removed the default and made the -v flag a
> mandatory requirement.
> Then at least every user would soon find out that his old script or
> remembered command line now gave an error message. 
> 
> David
> 
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

Looking at the code, it has not changed.

— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 5:08 PM, DM Smith  wrote:
> 
> It shouldn’t have changed!!!
> — DM
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 2:37 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
>> 
>> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
>> v11n raises several questions:
>> 
>> When was this change sneaked in? 
>> 
>> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
>> 
>> Was there any announcement?
>> 
>> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
>> 
>> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
>> 
>> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
>> reports)
>> 
>> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
>> 
>> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
>> adequate considerations of the implications.
>> 
>> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
>> switch for osis2mod.
>> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
>> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
v11n raises several questions:

When was this change sneaked in? 

Was there a formal agreement among developers?

Was there any announcement?

Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?

Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?

How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
reports)

IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 

It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
adequate considerations of the implications.

Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
switch for osis2mod.
It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.

Best regards,

David





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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

There have been changes to the osis2md syntax help in other respects. 

I just compared the help out put for versions 3177 and 3314.

Below is the diff file.

diff  C:/Users/David/AppData/Roaming/Sword/Help/osis2mod.xiphos.help.txt
C:/Users/David/AppData/Roaming/Sword/Help/osis2mod.xiphos4.help.txt

1,3c1
< You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3177 $
< 
< xiphos\osis2mod: 
---
> You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 3314 $
18,20d15
<(default is to convert to UTF-8, if needed,
< and then normalize to NFC)

Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

The lack of documentation agreement on
what the default versification is doesn't surprise me, but it
should be fixed.
It also doesn't affect me, because I never call osis2mod without
specifying the versification to use, so I never use the default.
This is a pretty minor point compared to the architectural issue
of not really being able to optimally represent the world's Bibles
with the current set of hard-coded versifications.
An even bigger point is not being able to handle mid-verse section
titles. Those are VERY common. (I just have all section titles
disabled temporarily on the eBible.org repository because of
this.)

Priorities.

On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:

The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
v11n raises several questions:

When was this change sneaked in?

Was there a formal agreement among developers?

Was there any announcement?

Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?

Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?

How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
reports)

IMHO, this change was unwarranted.

It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
adequate considerations of the implications.

Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
switch for osis2mod.
It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.

Best regards,

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

2015-09-05 Thread Michael H

In modern Bible Translation (Wycliffe/SIL) circles, "default" versification
in the translation programs  (ParaTExt, SIL Translation Editor, and Teus'
BiblEdit)  is 'English' which is (as far as I know) the same versification
as what Sword calls NRSV, so this change should be considered. It will
cause less confusion for folks who've spent years working translations with
Wycliffe get their texts into sword format. There won't be that many 'new'
translations which are using KJV as their versification.

However:

1. The documentation should reflect what the code does. If the manpages
have been abandoned, they should disappear.

2. Existing modules which use KJV versification typically leave the
Versification= line out of the .conf file (SpaRVG for example).  Without an
effort to fix these legacy .conf files (forcing all .conf files to be
explicit about versification) I suspect eventually there will be front end
problems misinterpreting what 'default' means.
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

All significant changes for osis2mod should be documented!

Here's where past changes are listed.

http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Osis2mod#History_of_Changes

Changing a default setting is one of the worst things a programmer can
do!

It would be better to have removed the default and made the -v flag a
mandatory requirement.
Then at least every user would soon find out that his old script or
remembered command line now gave an error message. 

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

It shouldn’t have changed!!!
— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 2:37 PM, David Haslam  wrote:
> 
> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
> v11n raises several questions:
> 
> When was this change sneaked in? 
> 
> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
> 
> Was there any announcement?
> 
> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
> 
> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
> 
> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
> reports)
> 
> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
> 
> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
> adequate considerations of the implications.
> 
> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
> switch for osis2mod.
> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

It is documented. It is the KJV.

— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
>  wrote:
> 
> The lack of documentation agreement on what the default versification is 
> doesn't surprise me, but it should be fixed.
> It also doesn't affect me, because I never call osis2mod without specifying 
> the versification to use, so I never use the default.
> This is a pretty minor point compared to the architectural issue of not 
> really being able to optimally represent the world's Bibles with the current 
> set of hard-coded versifications.
> An even bigger point is not being able to handle mid-verse section titles. 
> Those are VERY common. (I just have all section titles disabled temporarily 
> on the eBible.org repository because of this.)
> 
> Priorities.
> 
> On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
>> v11n raises several questions:
>> 
>> When was this change sneaked in? 
>> 
>> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
>> 
>> Was there any announcement?
>> 
>> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
>> 
>> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
>> 
>> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
>> reports)
>> 
>> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
>> 
>> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
>> adequate considerations of the implications.
>> 
>> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
>> switch for osis2mod.
>> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
>> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

Osis2mod handles mid-verse section titles properly. The problem is elsewhere. 
They work just fine in Bible Desktop and other JSword applications.

Regarding more v11n, this has nothing to do with osis2mod. osis2mod merely 
knows what SWORD makes available and allows that.

— DM

> On Sep 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
>  wrote:
> 
> The lack of documentation agreement on what the default versification is 
> doesn't surprise me, but it should be fixed.
> It also doesn't affect me, because I never call osis2mod without specifying 
> the versification to use, so I never use the default.
> This is a pretty minor point compared to the architectural issue of not 
> really being able to optimally represent the world's Bibles with the current 
> set of hard-coded versifications.
> An even bigger point is not being able to handle mid-verse section titles. 
> Those are VERY common. (I just have all section titles disabled temporarily 
> on the eBible.org repository because of this.)
> 
> Priorities.
> 
> On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
>> v11n raises several questions:
>> 
>> When was this change sneaked in? 
>> 
>> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
>> 
>> Was there any announcement?
>> 
>> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
>> 
>> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
>> 
>> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
>> reports)
>> 
>> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
>> 
>> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
>> adequate considerations of the implications.
>> 
>> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
>> switch for osis2mod.
>> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
>> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification/MIDVERSE SECTION TITLES

I just tried a build with midverse
  section titles turned on with Xiphos, and lo and behold, it
  worked! Someone fixed something or my memory was faulty or both.
  Verified with kkl2015eb, Acts 9:19. (This is the newest Bible in
  the collection.)
  If you don't want to see the noncanonical section headings, you
  can always turn them off. The GlobalOptionFilter=OSISHeadings conf
  option is set where applicable (which will be for most of the
  Bibles in the collection).
  The eBible.org/swordbeta repository is being incrementally updated
  again, turning section titles on globally.

  On 09/05/2015 01:56 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:

  Yes

Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 5 Sep 2015 11:44 pm, Kahunapule Michael Johnson  wrote:

>
> Should I re-enable section titles (including mid-verse section titles) in the OSIS I feed to osis2mod? I recall discussions about things not working right, but don't recall the details of what failed how in which front ends.
>

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

2015-09-05 Thread Peter von Kaehne

I think there is a misunderstanding.

When i said NRSV is the default, thrn i meant simply that the bulk of all 
translations i load up are NRSV and i tend not to even consider KJV, unless 
forced to. 

It is quite clear that none of the tools havr changed, also the engine has not 
changed, nor is any change necessary for having NRSV as first choicr whenever 
it fits. 

Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 5 Sep 2015 6:26 pm, 
Michael H  wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> Recently, Peter mentioned to David that the utility osis2mod has changed it's 
> default versification from KJV to NRSV. Further testing shows this to be true 
> for osis2mod 3314 . However: 
>
> $osis2mod -h 
>
> still shows 
>
>   -v  specify a versification scheme to use (default is KJV)
>
> and $man osis2mod shows nothing about versification.  (On my ubuntu 14.04 
> system the manpage claims to support "sword 1.7.4+dfsg".)
>
> It would be nice if the built-in help or the manpage covered this as well as 
> the wiki. This is very likely tripping everyone who's trying to get a KJV 
> style text into sword module. 
>
>
>
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification/MIDVERSE SECTION TITLES

Should I re-enable section titles
(including mid-verse section titles) in the OSIS I feed to
osis2mod? I recall discussions about things not working right, but
don't recall the details of what failed how in which front ends.

On 09/05/2015 11:22 AM, DM Smith wrote:

Osis2mod handles mid-verse section titles properly. The problem is
elsewhere. They work just fine in Bible Desktop and other JSword
applications.

Regarding more v11n, this has nothing to do with
osis2mod. osis2mod merely knows what SWORD makes available and
allows that.

— DM

On Sep 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Kahunapule
Michael Johnson
wrote:

The lack of documentation
agreement on what the default versification is
doesn't surprise me, but it should be fixed.
It also doesn't affect me, because I never call
osis2mod without specifying the versification to
use, so I never use the default.
This is a pretty minor point compared to the
architectural issue of not really being able to
optimally represent the world's Bibles with the
current set of hard-coded versifications.
An even bigger point is not being able to handle
mid-verse section titles. Those are VERY common. (I
just have all section titles disabled temporarily on
the eBible.org
repository because of this.)

Priorities.

On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:

The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
v11n raises several questions:

When was this change sneaked in?

Was there a formal agreement among developers?

Was there any announcement?

Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?

Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?

How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
reports)

IMHO, this change was unwarranted.

It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
adequate considerations of the implications.

Best regards,

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

2015-09-05 Thread Peter von Kaehne

Re versifications, the need for any v11n needs to be established and well 
documented. Once in use we can not easily withdraw any v11n, so introduction 
happens careful, but nothing should stop you making a good case for specific 
new v11n(s). Domcox has just now produced two new v11ns which hopefully will 
make it into svn soon. You should check them esp with French Pacific island 
languages. 

Yours

Peter

Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 5 Sep 2015 21:33, 
Kahunapule Michael Johnson  wrote:
>
> The lack of documentation agreement on what the default versification is 
> doesn't surprise me, but it should be fixed.
> It also doesn't affect me, because I never call osis2mod without specifying 
> the versification to use, so I never use the default.
> This is a pretty minor point compared to the architectural issue of not 
> really being able to optimally represent the world's Bibles with the current 
> set of hard-coded versifications.
> An even bigger point is not being able to handle mid-verse section titles. 
> Those are VERY common. (I just have all section titles disabled temporarily 
> on the eBible.org repository because of this.)
>
> Priorities.
>
> On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>
>> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
>>
>> v11n raises several questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> When was this change sneaked in? 
>>
>>
>>
>> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Was there any announcement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
>>
>>
>>
>> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
>>
>>
>>
>> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
>>
>> reports)
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
>>
>>
>>
>> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
>>
>> adequate considerations of the implications.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
>>
>> switch for osis2mod.
>>
>> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
>>
>> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>> http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/osis2mod-default-versification-tp4655253p4655255.html
>>
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>>
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification

On 09/05/2015 02:23 PM, Peter von
Kaehne wrote:

Re versifications, the need for any v11n needs to be established and well documented. Once in use we can not easily withdraw any v11n, so introduction happens careful, but nothing should stop you making a good case for specific new v11n(s).

I understand the way things are and have been for years. It is hard
to change, but not impossible. If someone wanted to implement
per-module versifications such that code changes weren't necessary
to deal with the way someone else split up the Bible into chapters
and verses, I would be all for it. But not enough to code the
changes, at least not now.

Domcox has just now produced two new v11ns which hopefully will make it into svn soon. You should check them esp with French Pacific island languages.

I intend to add those v11ns to my versification checks when support
for them in Sword is real in the stable Sword utilities and they are
supported by the distribution versions of all actively-supported
front ends. Someone please let me know when that happens.

Seriously, there is no point making modules with a versification
nobody can read, yet. Once support is real, it is not hard for me to
check every single module again to see if the "least bad"
versification has changed with the addition of any new ones.
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod default versification/MIDVERSE SECTION TITLES

2015-09-05 Thread Peter von Kaehne

Yes

Sent from my phone. Apologies for brevity and typos.On 5 Sep 2015 11:44 pm, 
Kahunapule Michael Johnson  wrote:
>
> Should I re-enable section titles (including mid-verse section titles) in the 
> OSIS I feed to osis2mod? I recall discussions about things not working right, 
> but don't recall the details of what failed how in which front ends.
>
>
> On 09/05/2015 11:22 AM, DM Smith wrote:
>
> Osis2mod handles mid-verse section titles properly. The problem is elsewhere. 
> They work just fine in Bible Desktop and other JSword applications.
>
> Regarding more v11n, this has nothing to do with osis2mod. osis2mod merely 
> knows what SWORD makes available and allows that.
>
> — DM
>
>> On Sep 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson 
>>  wrote:
>>
> The lack of documentation agreement on what the default versification is 
> doesn't surprise me, but it should be fixed.
> It also doesn't affect me, because I never call osis2mod without specifying 
> the versification to use, so I never use the default.
> This is a pretty minor point compared to the architectural issue of not 
> really being able to optimally represent the world's Bibles with the current 
> set of hard-coded versifications.
> An even bigger point is not being able to handle mid-verse section titles. 
> Those are VERY common. (I just have all section titles disabled temporarily 
> on the eBible.org repository because of this.)
>
> Priorities.
>
> On 09/05/2015 08:37 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>>
>> The de facto observation that recent builds of osis2mod make NRSV the default
>>
>> v11n raises several questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> When was this change sneaked in? 
>>
>>
>>
>> Was there a formal agreement among developers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Was there any announcement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why was this not mentioned on the Developers' wiki?
>>
>>
>>
>> Which other SWORD utilities have been changed (if any)?
>>
>>
>>
>> How come the change was not reflected in the SYNTAX HELP ? (as Michael H
>>
>> reports)
>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO, this change was unwarranted. 
>>
>>
>>
>> It's very galling that such a significant change could be made without
>>
>> adequate considerations of the implications.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those who have scripts for module builds may well have omitted the -v KJV
>>
>> switch for osis2mod.
>>
>> It was wrong to assume that for such module developers it would be left to
>>
>> chance to discover that their scripts were no longer working correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/osis2mod-default-versification-tp4655253p4655255.html
>>
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>>
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2014-02-21 Thread pns-nwt

GREAT!!! This works!!! Thank you very much.
regards Elijáš




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Datum: 20. 2. 2014 15:33:33
Předmět: Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

On 20/02/14 12:45, pns-...@seznam.cz wrote:
 Hi, I tried it, but without success.
 Verse looks like this (in Xiphos)
 (Genesis 2:9) And God made to spring up also out of the earth every 
 tree beautiful 2.9: Gr. for sight. to the eye and good for food, and 
 the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of learning 
 2.9: Or, that which is to be known. Comp. Rom. 1. 19. the knowledge of 
 good and evil.
 May be the problem osis2mod version?

I am running a later version of the tools, but I don't think that is 
likely to be the problem. Even so, I would check for a later version if 
you can. Are you certain the OSIS definitions in your .conf file (in 
mods.d) are correct? Here is the relevant section from my brenton.conf 
If you have built the module as a rawtxt one (unconpressed) you might 
take a look at the module file called ot. It is plaintext and a properly 
formed footnote should look like:

And God made to spring up also out of the earth every tree beautiful 
note n=162.9: Gr. for sight./note to the eye

If this is what you have in the ot file, then the problem is in the 
markup in your .conf file - see fragment from mine below, but only alter 
the OSIS labels as in the following: SourceType=OSIS OSISVersion=2.1.1 
GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes

[brenton]
DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/brenton/
Encoding=UTF-8
BlockType=BOOK
ModDrv=zText
CompressType=ZIP
SourceType=OSIS
MinimumVersion=1.6.1
SwordVersionDate=2009-10-24
OSISVersion=2.1.1
GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes
GlobalOptionFilter=OSIScrossReference

God bless, Barry.

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2014-02-20 Thread pns-nwt

Hi, I tried it, but without success.



Verse looks like this (in Xiphos)

(Genesis 2:9) And God made to spring up also out of the earth every tree 
beautiful 2.9: Gr. for sight. to the eye and good for food, and the tree of 
life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of learning 2.9: Or, that 
which is to be known. Comp. Rom. 1. 19. the knowledge of good and evil.

May be the problem osis2mod version?





You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $

osis2mod normalized 1 verses to NFC

SUCCESS: osis2mod.exe: has finished its work and will now rest




Elijáš


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On 19/02/14 11:20, pns-...@seznam.cz wrote:

 I have a problem to compile OSIS to module - I am sorry for it,
 but I am new in sword ;-)
 All tags note are ignored and text of note is given to a verse
 text (there is no mark and note created).
 I am using osis2mod.


Try pasting the following note into a verse and run osis2mod on it. This 
is part of the Brenton LXX which I am annoting. The verse below works 
for me. Be sure you include the OSIS definitions in your conf file for 
the module. GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes and SourceType=OSIS need 
to be in there for it to work.

verse sID=Gen.2.9 osisID=Gen.2.9/
And God made to spring up also out of the earth every tree beautiful 
note n=162.9: Gr. for sight./note to the eye and good for food, 
and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of 
learning note n=172.9: Or, that which is to be known. Comp. Rom. 1. 
19./note the knowledge of good and evil.
verse eID=Gen.2.9/

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2014-02-20 Thread Barry Drake


On 20/02/14 12:45, pns-...@seznam.cz wrote:

Hi, I tried it, but without success.
Verse looks like this (in Xiphos)
(Genesis 2:9) And God made to spring up also out of the earth every 
tree beautiful 2.9: Gr. for sight. to the eye and good for food, and 
the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of learning 
2.9: Or, that which is to be known. Comp. Rom. 1. 19. the knowledge of 
good and evil.

May be the problem osis2mod version?


I am running a later version of the tools, but I don't think that is 
likely to be the problem.  Even so, I would check for a later version if 
you can.  Are you certain the OSIS definitions in your .conf file (in 
mods.d) are correct?  Here is the relevant section from my brenton.conf  
If you have built the module as a rawtxt one (unconpressed) you might 
take a look at the module file called ot. It is plaintext and a properly 
formed footnote should look like:


And God made to spring up also out of the earth every tree beautiful 
note n=162.9: Gr. for sight./note to the eye


If this is what you have in the ot file, then the problem is in the 
markup in your .conf file - see fragment from mine below, but only alter 
the OSIS labels as in the following: SourceType=OSIS OSISVersion=2.1.1 
GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes


[brenton]
DataPath=./modules/texts/ztext/brenton/
Encoding=UTF-8
BlockType=BOOK
ModDrv=zText
CompressType=ZIP
SourceType=OSIS
MinimumVersion=1.6.1
SwordVersionDate=2009-10-24
OSISVersion=2.1.1
GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes
GlobalOptionFilter=OSIScrossReference

God bless,Barry.

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[sword-devel] osis2mod

2014-02-19 Thread pns-nwt

Hi all,



I have a problem to compile OSIS to module - I am sorry for it, but I am new
in sword ;-)

All tags note are ignored and text of note is given to a verse text (there
is no mark and note created).

I am using osis2mod.




Thank you for any hint.

Elijáš
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod

2014-02-19 Thread Barry Drake


On 19/02/14 11:20, pns-...@seznam.cz wrote:


I have a problem to compile OSIS to module - I am sorry for it,
but I am new in sword ;-)
All tags note are ignored and text of note is given to a verse
text (there is no mark and note created).
I am using osis2mod.



Try pasting the following note into a verse and run osis2mod on it. This 
is part of the Brenton LXX which I am annoting.  The verse below works 
for me.  Be sure you include the OSIS definitions in your conf file for 
the module.  GlobalOptionFilter=OSISFootnotes and SourceType=OSIS need 
to be in there for it to work.


verse sID=Gen.2.9 osisID=Gen.2.9/
And God made to spring up also out of the earth every tree beautiful 
note n=162.9: Gr. for sight./note to the eye and good for food, 
and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of 
learning  note n=172.9: Or, that which is to be known. Comp. Rom. 1. 
19./note the knowledge of good and evil.

verse eID=Gen.2.9/

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[sword-devel] osis2mod

2013-02-18 Thread DM Smith

FYI, I just checked in a bug fix and a minor enhancement.

The enhancement allows newlines within tags as in:
tag
attr=value
attr2=xxx


This will become tag attr=value attr2=xxx . It simply replaces a '\n' 
with a ' '.
Note: This also changes \n in an attributes value to a ' '.

The bug was that space was being introduced within interverse content. This 
typically wouldn't be noticable, but it was putting a space after every tag 
even when the text that was between tags started with punctuation.

In Him,
DM
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod warnings

2012-10-11 Thread DM Smith


On Oct 10, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are two osis2mod warnings I'm getting that seem strange to me.
 The first is when it encounters post-verse material. It will issue a
 warning such as follows:
 INFO(V11N): Jude is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to
 3John.1.14
 INFO(WRITE): Appending entry: 3John.1.14: *snipped content of 3John.1.14*
 
 Now the material in question is simply a few closing colophons and/or
 closing tags from the material in 3 John. Jude is, most definitely, a
 part of the KJV versification. But when I got this message the first
 time I ended up spinning in circles a few times looking for the issue
 before realizing it was just an oddly worded debug statement. Perhaps
 this should be altered to reflect what is actually happening?

Osis2mod splits the input into chunks and tries to figure out which slot in the 
index to put that chunk. W/o seeing your file, it is hard to tell what the 
problem actually is, so I'm going to guess.

Maybe the colophon is not contained within the last chapter/book of John? 
Anything between books may be taken to belong to the next book. There may be a 
problem in assigning that to Jude.0.0 (i.e. the book introduction).

That the osisID given is Jude, this indicates that it did not find Jude.1.1 
when it tried to add a chunk, therefore it attaches to the last seen verse in 
the av11n, which in this case is 3John.1.14.

OSIS requires a chapter of 1 for single chapter books. I don't think this is 
the problem.

If you can supply the end of 3John and the start of Jude, I can probably 
pinpoint the problem and perhaps improve the diagnostics, if it is not a code 
change.

 
 Secondly is the warning pair:
 WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.2 is not well formed:(3,5)
 WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.4 is not well formed:(5,3)
 
 The offending text reads:
 verse osisID=Gen.10.2 sID=Gen.10.2/listitem
 type=x-indent-1Ahima a Zhafeti yaali: Goomeri, Magogi, Madayi,
 Yavani, Tubali, Mexeki, ni Tirasi./item
 item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.2/
 verse osisID=Gen.10.3 sID=Gen.10.3/Ahima a Goomeri yaali
 Axekenazi, Rifati ni Togaarima./item
 item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.3/
 verse osisID=Gen.10.4 sID=Gen.10.4/Ahima a Yavani yaali: Elixa,
 Tarixixi, Kitiimi ni Rodanimu./item/list
 pverse eID=Gen.10.4/
 
 My assumption is that the not well formed warning is coming from the
 list ... /list that is spanning across multiple verses. Yet
 strangely these spanning item tags (misplaced by usfm2osis.py or in
 the wrong place in the USFM files) are not generating a warning. What
 is the malformed issue here? xmllint seems to think the file validates
 against the official OSIS schema, so it's not an XML validation issue.

The issue is not an xml one, or one of syntax, but rather semantics and use.

First, the warning is just that: a warning. It is not an error. It is saying 
that the verse as a fragment is not well formed. Osis2mod transforms container 
elements to milestone form to handle this. Perhaps this is not transformed or 
is not available to be transformed. If transformed, then the verse is 
well-formed and the warning should not happen (IIRC).

Second, the problem with this is when the verse is shown in isolation. If the 
verse is shown in isolation, it may not render properly because it does not 
have the entire context. Also, JSword has a requirement that a verse be a 
well-formed fragment. Otherwise, it strips out all markup and leaves the 
content. (This gets confusing when notes are shown inline!) JSword needs to 
change.

I guess the message could be made to be clearer.

Also, this list construct is problematic. It has nothing to do with the warning.
First, why is list and item used? Is it really a list? I don't know how 
SWORD renders this, but JSword uses a bulleted list. If this is markup for 
poetry, it should be using OSIS poetry markup.
Second, having verselist rather than listverse will probably cause the 
verse number to be rendered on the line prior to the start of the list.
Third, having verseitem may have the same orphan verse number problem. The 
item element typically causes rendering to be done at the start tag.

A list should typically end after a verse. (Same with other container markup.) 
It certainly should not be immediately before a verse end.

The p is not placed well. It does not make sense that a paragraph starts 
within a verse, unless it splits the verse content. (same with other container 
markup.)

This may be more of a problem with usfm2osis.

 
 Any help would be appreciated.

Don't know if that helps.

 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod warnings

2012-10-11 Thread Andrew Thule

Greg, I've seen these errors to.  I found the 'problem' was associated
with the first citation in the error, not the one being tacked on to.
In your example:
Jude is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to 3John.1.14

Is there anything (such as extra verses) tacked on to the end of Jude
that strictly speaking isn't in the versification you are using?  If
so those 'extra' verses are being treated as the beginning of
3John.1.14.

When I've encountered the problem, it was one of the two following
scenarios: either the text provided extra verses not found in the
versification, OR there was extra text in the chapter that appeared to
OSIS2MOD to be extra verses but which should have appeared to be
treated differently in the OSIS such as textual variants to be treated
as textual variants.

In the former case (a few verses not found in the versification), it
would be nice to be able to influence versification more directly as a
module developer.  Until that happens, the solution is to find a
versification that MOST matches the text you are working with (my
example of this the LXXE).  In the latter case the solution is to
simply look at the text causing the error, and to treat it differently
by using the appropriate OSIS tags (treating variants as variants for
example, etc).

~A

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:21 AM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote:

 On Oct 10, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are two osis2mod warnings I'm getting that seem strange to me.
 The first is when it encounters post-verse material. It will issue a
 warning such as follows:
 INFO(V11N): Jude is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to
 3John.1.14
 INFO(WRITE): Appending entry: 3John.1.14: *snipped content of 3John.1.14*

 Now the material in question is simply a few closing colophons and/or
 closing tags from the material in 3 John. Jude is, most definitely, a
 part of the KJV versification. But when I got this message the first
 time I ended up spinning in circles a few times looking for the issue
 before realizing it was just an oddly worded debug statement. Perhaps
 this should be altered to reflect what is actually happening?

 Osis2mod splits the input into chunks and tries to figure out which slot in 
 the index to put that chunk. W/o seeing your file, it is hard to tell what 
 the problem actually is, so I'm going to guess.

 Maybe the colophon is not contained within the last chapter/book of John? 
 Anything between books may be taken to belong to the next book. There may be 
 a problem in assigning that to Jude.0.0 (i.e. the book introduction).

 That the osisID given is Jude, this indicates that it did not find Jude.1.1 
 when it tried to add a chunk, therefore it attaches to the last seen verse in 
 the av11n, which in this case is 3John.1.14.

 OSIS requires a chapter of 1 for single chapter books. I don't think this is 
 the problem.

 If you can supply the end of 3John and the start of Jude, I can probably 
 pinpoint the problem and perhaps improve the diagnostics, if it is not a code 
 change.


 Secondly is the warning pair:
 WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.2 is not well formed:(3,5)
 WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.4 is not well formed:(5,3)

 The offending text reads:
 verse osisID=Gen.10.2 sID=Gen.10.2/listitem
 type=x-indent-1Ahima a Zhafeti yaali: Goomeri, Magogi, Madayi,
 Yavani, Tubali, Mexeki, ni Tirasi./item
 item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.2/
 verse osisID=Gen.10.3 sID=Gen.10.3/Ahima a Goomeri yaali
 Axekenazi, Rifati ni Togaarima./item
 item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.3/
 verse osisID=Gen.10.4 sID=Gen.10.4/Ahima a Yavani yaali: Elixa,
 Tarixixi, Kitiimi ni Rodanimu./item/list
 pverse eID=Gen.10.4/

 My assumption is that the not well formed warning is coming from the
 list ... /list that is spanning across multiple verses. Yet
 strangely these spanning item tags (misplaced by usfm2osis.py or in
 the wrong place in the USFM files) are not generating a warning. What
 is the malformed issue here? xmllint seems to think the file validates
 against the official OSIS schema, so it's not an XML validation issue.

 The issue is not an xml one, or one of syntax, but rather semantics and use.

 First, the warning is just that: a warning. It is not an error. It is saying 
 that the verse as a fragment is not well formed. Osis2mod transforms 
 container elements to milestone form to handle this. Perhaps this is not 
 transformed or is not available to be transformed. If transformed, then the 
 verse is well-formed and the warning should not happen (IIRC).

 Second, the problem with this is when the verse is shown in isolation. If the 
 verse is shown in isolation, it may not render properly because it does not 
 have the entire context. Also, JSword has a requirement that a verse be a 
 well-formed fragment. Otherwise, it strips out all markup and leaves the 
 content. (This gets confusing when notes are shown inline!) JSword needs to 
 change.

 I guess

[sword-devel] osis2mod warnings

2012-10-09 Thread Greg Hellings

There are two osis2mod warnings I'm getting that seem strange to me.
The first is when it encounters post-verse material. It will issue a
warning such as follows:
INFO(V11N): Jude is not in the KJV versification. Appending content to
3John.1.14
INFO(WRITE): Appending entry: 3John.1.14: *snipped content of 3John.1.14*

Now the material in question is simply a few closing colophons and/or
closing tags from the material in 3 John. Jude is, most definitely, a
part of the KJV versification. But when I got this message the first
time I ended up spinning in circles a few times looking for the issue
before realizing it was just an oddly worded debug statement. Perhaps
this should be altered to reflect what is actually happening?

Secondly is the warning pair:
WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.2 is not well formed:(3,5)
WARNING(NESTING): verse Gen.10.4 is not well formed:(5,3)

The offending text reads:
verse osisID=Gen.10.2 sID=Gen.10.2/listitem
type=x-indent-1Ahima a Zhafeti yaali: Goomeri, Magogi, Madayi,
Yavani, Tubali, Mexeki, ni Tirasi./item
item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.2/
verse osisID=Gen.10.3 sID=Gen.10.3/Ahima a Goomeri yaali
Axekenazi, Rifati ni Togaarima./item
item type=x-indent-1verse eID=Gen.10.3/
verse osisID=Gen.10.4 sID=Gen.10.4/Ahima a Yavani yaali: Elixa,
Tarixixi, Kitiimi ni Rodanimu./item/list
pverse eID=Gen.10.4/

My assumption is that the not well formed warning is coming from the
list ... /list that is spanning across multiple verses. Yet
strangely these spanning item tags (misplaced by usfm2osis.py or in
the wrong place in the USFM files) are not generating a warning. What
is the malformed issue here? xmllint seems to think the file validates
against the official OSIS schema, so it's not an XML validation issue.

Any help would be appreciated.

--Greg

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread Greg Hellings

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Brian J Dumont brian.j.dum...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've struggled with large commentaries before.  It always seemed that once
 commentary sections get too big, then random sections of text start
 disappearing.

 I'm currently almost done repackaging a part of the EarlyFathers module to
 be the homilies of John Chrysostom in commentary form.  Thing is, his
 homilies are long and I'm hitting the same problems again.  Previously, I've
 been able to split sections between verses to awkwardly get things to work.
  This time I can't; some of these large homilies are on a single verse, and
 have another homily on the next.

 So this time I've had no choice but to give up or to buckle down and get
 something that the developers can really bite into.  I've created an example
 OSIS module.  One section: Matt.1.1.  No special characters, no footnotes,
 no headers, almost no markup at all really.

 I'm not compiling it into a compressed format.  My command/output is:
 [bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
 You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
 SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

 I can't always predict *exactly* at what size it will fail (it seems to
 depend on things like number of paragraph markers, etc).  But it always
 fails when the section gets to be roughly 64,000 - 65,000 characters.  This
 is a pretty suspicious number, being just below 2^16.  I assume that I can't
 exactly predict the size because there's some overhead, some amount for
 paragraph markers, header, etc.

 The attached example file fails (I've also included the conf file that I'm
 using to make life easier for any developer that wishes to look at this).
  The output is drastically shorter than the input.  Please delete one
 character from the text in Matt.1.1.  It all works nicely.

 This is not a front end problem.  I can reproduce the problem in either
 Xiphos or diatheke.  My diatheke command has been:
 diatheke -b Chrysostom  -k Mt 1:1

 But you can even see when it has failed by the size of the nt file created
 by osis2mod.  This osis file, as attached, creates an nt file that is 70
 bytes.  Delete one character and it goes up to 65607 bytes.  Note that 70
 bytes + 2^16 bytes = 65606 bytes.

 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ... I beg you ... I'm stuck without a fix to
 this ... it seems like it's an array size limit or a compiler size limit for
 some data type or something like that.  If you need some legwork, then let
 me know; I'll do it.

 Thanks in advance,
 Brian


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Brian,

Try adding the switch '-s 4' to your import. Also change your driver
in the conf file to RawCom4. This will increase the per-entry size
limit from 2^16 bytes (the default) to 2^32 bytes giving you an
effective limit of 2GB for each verse or other entry.

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread DM Smith

From memory -s 4 perhaps?

Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Brian J Dumont brian.j.dum...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I've struggled with large commentaries before.  It always seemed that once 
 commentary sections get too big, then random sections of text start 
 disappearing.
 
 I'm currently almost done repackaging a part of the EarlyFathers module to be 
 the homilies of John Chrysostom in commentary form.  Thing is, his homilies 
 are long and I'm hitting the same problems again.  Previously, I've been able 
 to split sections between verses to awkwardly get things to work.  This time 
 I can't; some of these large homilies are on a single verse, and have another 
 homily on the next.
 
 So this time I've had no choice but to give up or to buckle down and get 
 something that the developers can really bite into.  I've created an example 
 OSIS module.  One section: Matt.1.1.  No special characters, no footnotes, no 
 headers, almost no markup at all really.
 
 I'm not compiling it into a compressed format.  My command/output is:
 [bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
 You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
 SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
 
 I can't always predict *exactly* at what size it will fail (it seems to 
 depend on things like number of paragraph markers, etc).  But it always fails 
 when the section gets to be roughly 64,000 - 65,000 characters.  This is a 
 pretty suspicious number, being just below 2^16.  I assume that I can't 
 exactly predict the size because there's some overhead, some amount for 
 paragraph markers, header, etc.
 
 The attached example file fails (I've also included the conf file that I'm 
 using to make life easier for any developer that wishes to look at this).  
 The output is drastically shorter than the input.  Please delete one 
 character from the text in Matt.1.1.  It all works nicely.
 
 This is not a front end problem.  I can reproduce the problem in either 
 Xiphos or diatheke.  My diatheke command has been:
 diatheke -b Chrysostom  -k Mt 1:1
 
 But you can even see when it has failed by the size of the nt file created 
 by osis2mod.  This osis file, as attached, creates an nt file that is 70 
 bytes.  Delete one character and it goes up to 65607 bytes.  Note that 70 
 bytes + 2^16 bytes = 65606 bytes.
 
 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ... I beg you ... I'm stuck without a fix to this 
 ... it seems like it's an array size limit or a compiler size limit for some 
 data type or something like that.  If you need some legwork, then let me 
 know; I'll do it.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Brian
 
 
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 chrysostom.conf
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread DM Smith

I think osis2mod should detect the problem, output an error and a clear 
suggestion to use -s 4. 

Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Brian J Dumont brian.j.dum...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've struggled with large commentaries before.  It always seemed that once
 commentary sections get too big, then random sections of text start
 disappearing.
 
 I'm currently almost done repackaging a part of the EarlyFathers module to
 be the homilies of John Chrysostom in commentary form.  Thing is, his
 homilies are long and I'm hitting the same problems again.  Previously, I've
 been able to split sections between verses to awkwardly get things to work.
  This time I can't; some of these large homilies are on a single verse, and
 have another homily on the next.
 
 So this time I've had no choice but to give up or to buckle down and get
 something that the developers can really bite into.  I've created an example
 OSIS module.  One section: Matt.1.1.  No special characters, no footnotes,
 no headers, almost no markup at all really.
 
 I'm not compiling it into a compressed format.  My command/output is:
 [bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
 You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
 SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest
 
 I can't always predict *exactly* at what size it will fail (it seems to
 depend on things like number of paragraph markers, etc).  But it always
 fails when the section gets to be roughly 64,000 - 65,000 characters.  This
 is a pretty suspicious number, being just below 2^16.  I assume that I can't
 exactly predict the size because there's some overhead, some amount for
 paragraph markers, header, etc.
 
 The attached example file fails (I've also included the conf file that I'm
 using to make life easier for any developer that wishes to look at this).
  The output is drastically shorter than the input.  Please delete one
 character from the text in Matt.1.1.  It all works nicely.
 
 This is not a front end problem.  I can reproduce the problem in either
 Xiphos or diatheke.  My diatheke command has been:
 diatheke -b Chrysostom  -k Mt 1:1
 
 But you can even see when it has failed by the size of the nt file created
 by osis2mod.  This osis file, as attached, creates an nt file that is 70
 bytes.  Delete one character and it goes up to 65607 bytes.  Note that 70
 bytes + 2^16 bytes = 65606 bytes.
 
 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ... I beg you ... I'm stuck without a fix to
 this ... it seems like it's an array size limit or a compiler size limit for
 some data type or something like that.  If you need some legwork, then let
 me know; I'll do it.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Brian
 
 
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 Brian,
 
 Try adding the switch '-s 4' to your import. Also change your driver
 in the conf file to RawCom4. This will increase the per-entry size
 limit from 2^16 bytes (the default) to 2^32 bytes giving you an
 effective limit of 2GB for each verse or other entry.
 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP


On 03/02/2012 08:06 AM, Greg Hellings wrote:

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Brian J Dumontbrian.j.dum...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all,

I've struggled with large commentaries before.  It always seemed that once
commentary sections get too big, then random sections of text start
disappearing.

I'm currently almost done repackaging a part of the EarlyFathers module to
be the homilies of John Chrysostom in commentary form.  Thing is, his
homilies are long and I'm hitting the same problems again.  Previously, I've
been able to split sections between verses to awkwardly get things to work.
  This time I can't; some of these large homilies are on a single verse, and
have another homily on the next.

So this time I've had no choice but to give up or to buckle down and get
something that the developers can really bite into.  I've created an example
OSIS module.  One section: Matt.1.1.  No special characters, no footnotes,
no headers, almost no markup at all really.

I'm not compiling it into a compressed format.  My command/output is:
[bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

I can't always predict *exactly* at what size it will fail (it seems to
depend on things like number of paragraph markers, etc).  But it always
fails when the section gets to be roughly 64,000 - 65,000 characters.  This
is a pretty suspicious number, being just below 2^16.  I assume that I can't
exactly predict the size because there's some overhead, some amount for
paragraph markers, header, etc.

The attached example file fails (I've also included the conf file that I'm
using to make life easier for any developer that wishes to look at this).
  The output is drastically shorter than the input.  Please delete one
character from the text in Matt.1.1.  It all works nicely.

This is not a front end problem.  I can reproduce the problem in either
Xiphos or diatheke.  My diatheke command has been:
diatheke -b Chrysostom  -k Mt 1:1

But you can even see when it has failed by the size of the nt file created
by osis2mod.  This osis file, as attached, creates an nt file that is 70
bytes.  Delete one character and it goes up to 65607 bytes.  Note that 70
bytes + 2^16 bytes = 65606 bytes.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ... I beg you ... I'm stuck without a fix to
this ... it seems like it's an array size limit or a compiler size limit for
some data type or something like that.  If you need some legwork, then let
me know; I'll do it.

Thanks in advance,
Brian


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Brian,

Try adding the switch '-s 4' to your import. Also change your driver
in the conf file to RawCom4. This will increase the per-entry size
limit from 2^16 bytes (the default) to 2^32 bytes giving you an
effective limit of 2GB for each verse or other entry.

--Greg
Thanks very, very much!  That's so simple!  I had tried each, but not 
together.


Does this, however, mean that compressing the module is not an option?  
If I read correctly, the -s 4 option is only for uncompressed modules, 
and there seems to be no analog to RawCom4 that handles very large entries.


Brian

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

That would be super-keen DM.  It would be nice if it also noted the need 
for ModDrv RawCom4 to go along with -s 4


Thanks,
Brian

On 03/02/2012 08:15 AM, DM Smith wrote:

I think osis2mod should detect the problem, output an error and a clear 
suggestion to use -s 4.

Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Greg Hellingsgreg.helli...@gmail.com  wrote:


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Brian J Dumontbrian.j.dum...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all,

I've struggled with large commentaries before.  It always seemed that once
commentary sections get too big, then random sections of text start
disappearing.

I'm currently almost done repackaging a part of the EarlyFathers module to
be the homilies of John Chrysostom in commentary form.  Thing is, his
homilies are long and I'm hitting the same problems again.  Previously, I've
been able to split sections between verses to awkwardly get things to work.
  This time I can't; some of these large homilies are on a single verse, and
have another homily on the next.

So this time I've had no choice but to give up or to buckle down and get
something that the developers can really bite into.  I've created an example
OSIS module.  One section: Matt.1.1.  No special characters, no footnotes,
no headers, almost no markup at all really.

I'm not compiling it into a compressed format.  My command/output is:
[bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest

I can't always predict *exactly* at what size it will fail (it seems to
depend on things like number of paragraph markers, etc).  But it always
fails when the section gets to be roughly 64,000 - 65,000 characters.  This
is a pretty suspicious number, being just below 2^16.  I assume that I can't
exactly predict the size because there's some overhead, some amount for
paragraph markers, header, etc.

The attached example file fails (I've also included the conf file that I'm
using to make life easier for any developer that wishes to look at this).
  The output is drastically shorter than the input.  Please delete one
character from the text in Matt.1.1.  It all works nicely.

This is not a front end problem.  I can reproduce the problem in either
Xiphos or diatheke.  My diatheke command has been:
diatheke -b Chrysostom  -k Mt 1:1

But you can even see when it has failed by the size of the nt file created
by osis2mod.  This osis file, as attached, creates an nt file that is 70
bytes.  Delete one character and it goes up to 65607 bytes.  Note that 70
bytes + 2^16 bytes = 65606 bytes.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ... I beg you ... I'm stuck without a fix to
this ... it seems like it's an array size limit or a compiler size limit for
some data type or something like that.  If you need some legwork, then let
me know; I'll do it.

Thanks in advance,
Brian


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Brian,

Try adding the switch '-s 4' to your import. Also change your driver
in the conf file to RawCom4. This will increase the per-entry size
limit from 2^16 bytes (the default) to 2^32 bytes giving you an
effective limit of 2GB for each verse or other entry.

--Greg

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread Matej Cepl


On 2.3.2012 14:02, Brian J Dumont wrote:

I'm not compiling it into a compressed format. My command/output is:
[bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest


Interesting. Either it is in the version or in the fact that I have 
64bit system and plenty of memory, but I don't see any problem with 
compiling your file here (Rev: 2686). The resulting mod directory is 
available on http://www.box.com/s/9jd8nixidljt9ckdogbi


Best,

Matěj

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Hi Matej,

The difference is that you compiled it as a compressed module.  This 
makes the limit to be 64kb per section after it is zipped.  If you 
triple the contents of the div then you'd have the same trouble.


I avoided using a zipped module so that the issue wasn't confused, but 
it also happens with zipped modules.


Thanks for looking at it,
Brian



On 03/02/2012 08:38 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:

On 2.3.2012 14:02, Brian J Dumont wrote:

I'm not compiling it into a compressed format. My command/output is:
[bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest


Interesting. Either it is in the version or in the fact that I have 
64bit system and plenty of memory, but I don't see any problem with 
compiling your file here (Rev: 2686). The resulting mod directory is 
available on http://www.box.com/s/9jd8nixidljt9ckdogbi


Best,

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread Greg Hellings

2012/3/2 Brian J Dumont brian.j.dum...@gmail.com:
 Hi Matej,

 The difference is that you compiled it as a compressed module.  This makes
 the limit to be 64kb per section after it is zipped.  If you triple the
 contents of the div then you'd have the same trouble.

 I avoided using a zipped module so that the issue wasn't confused, but it
 also happens with zipped modules.

I was under the impression that zipped modules do not suffer from the
64K section limit but perhaps I am mistaken.

--Greg


 Thanks for looking at it,
 Brian




 On 03/02/2012 08:38 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:

 On 2.3.2012 14:02, Brian J Dumont wrote:

 I'm not compiling it into a compressed format. My command/output is:
 [bjdasc@ascpc5] osis2mod mod debug.osis.xml
 You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2671 $
 SUCCESS: osis2mod: has finished its work and will now rest


 Interesting. Either it is in the version or in the fact that I have 64bit
 system and plenty of memory, but I don't see any problem with compiling your
 file here (Rev: 2686). The resulting mod directory is available on
 http://www.box.com/s/9jd8nixidljt9ckdogbi

 Best,

 Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP


On 03/02/2012 09:13 AM, Greg Hellings wrote:

2012/3/2 Brian J Dumontbrian.j.dum...@gmail.com:

Hi Matej,

The difference is that you compiled it as a compressed module.  This makes
the limit to be 64kb per section after it is zipped.  If you triple the
contents of thediv  then you'd have the same trouble.

I avoided using a zipped module so that the issue wasn't confused, but it
also happens with zipped modules.

I was under the impression that zipped modules do not suffer from the
64K section limit but perhaps I am mistaken.

--Greg

I can't guarantee that the actual internal problem is identical, but if 
not then a very similar problem exists using zipped modules.  I first 
noticed the problem when using compressed modules exclusively.


Brian



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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod bug - PLEASE HELP

2012-03-02 Thread Chris Little


On 03/02/2012 06:58 AM, Brian J Dumont wrote:

On 03/02/2012 09:13 AM, Greg Hellings wrote:

2012/3/2 Brian J Dumontbrian.j.dum...@gmail.com:

Hi Matej,

The difference is that you compiled it as a compressed module.  This 
makes

the limit to be 64kb per section after it is zipped.  If you triple the
contents of thediv  then you'd have the same trouble.

I avoided using a zipped module so that the issue wasn't confused, 
but it

also happens with zipped modules.

I was under the impression that zipped modules do not suffer from the
64K section limit but perhaps I am mistaken.

--Greg

I can't guarantee that the actual internal problem is identical, but 
if not then a very similar problem exists using zipped modules.  I 
first noticed the problem when using compressed modules exclusively.


Brian


I can confirm, to my surprise, that compressed modules appear unable to 
accommodate entries above 64kb. I tested osis2mod's ability to generate 
compressed modules as well as mod2zmod's ability to compress RawText4 
modules, and neither work. I also tried out LZSS compression  variable 
compression granularities, so it's probably something upstream in zText, 
zVerse, or such.


--Chris


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-31 Thread David Haslam

Matěj Cepl wrote, 

- czap is an element for “text quoted by Czech apostrophe”, and I am not
sure whether in all cases it means a quotation of the Old Testament text in
the New Testament (as in this case). 

-

All the instances of q marker='  ... /q are in the New Testament, so
this seems very likely.

Converting these to the milestoned form would be useful to prevent nesting
errors if we wish to add other XML elements later.
I have created a TextPipe subfilter that can do this.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-30 Thread Peter von Kaehne

On 29/12/11 09:05, David Haslam wrote:
 Thanks for the detailed explanations.

I guess this was a comment to Matej's last email rather than a facetious
one to my one-liner?

:-)

But FWIW - I would suggest that cs-utf8.conf is looked through regarding
any missed out abbreviations or abbreviations which do not make
sense/are wrong in the context of this module.

Peter

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-30 Thread David Haslam

Yes - threaded views in email clients (or Nabble) help to contextualize such
one liners! 

It would be helpful to module developers to know where to obtain the conf
files necessary for localization of book names, etc.  

The fledgeling wiki page does not yet cover this topic.

http://crosswire.org/wiki/Localization

As you're one of those who knows where they are, perhaps you might find time
to expand on this topic in the wiki. 

This suggestion does not debar others from volunteering, of course.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-30 Thread David Haslam

Matěj Cepl wrote,

⌈ and ⌉ are more complicated. They are originally bkzavorka/ and
ekzavorka/ and they limit the text for which the appropriate translator
note is used. 

-

I think ⌜top corners⌝ are visually less obtrusive for this purpose than
⌈ceilings⌉, so I have included such a replacement in my derived copy of the
XML file.

I have also made the assumption that each left ⌜corner should be preceded by
a space.
Wherever a space is not already present, I have inserted one.

The lef/right counts mismatch issue is still unresolved.

I have put on hold the idea of replacing these marks by XML tags, at least
until we have a better source text, one in which there would be no conflicts
that lead to nesting errors.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-30 Thread David Haslam

Matěj Cepl wrote, pomlcka/ stands for em-dash;

and the original code snippet he cited from Mark.1.1 includes,
61,1pomlcka/3;

yet upon examining Matěj's OSIS file, this snippet appears as 61,13;
rather than 61,1—3;

It would seem that his XSLT script has not converted any of the pomlcka/
to an em-dash;

Certainly, there are no — found anywhere in the file.

To repair such errors of omission is impossible at this end of things, not
having the original text.
It requires a fix to the XSLT script.

So although I have a working module, many of the notes must include
incorrect references.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-29 Thread David Haslam

Thanks for the detailed explanations.

David



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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-29 Thread David Haslam

There are many locations in the source text where spaces were omitted.
I've been able to tackle most of these by searching for various patterns.

The following questions remain:

Is it correct for the left and right ceiling characters to be found within
words?

Or should the left ceiling always be preceded by a space (or a start
quotation mark), 
and the right ceiling by either a space (or a suitable punctuation mark)?

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

Matěj,

I am not a Linux user.

I keep putting off the day when I have to use Linux.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

Everyone,

I have spent a good part of today using TextPipe to fix the pretty OSIS
XML file, and have made substantial progress. 

Here's a bulleted list of fixes already done...

* A second bookGroup division for the NT 
* Book divisions (66)
* Chapter elements (1089)
* Section titles (2084)
* Verse end milestones (31169)

At this stage the OSIS XML still validates.

Currently working on the paragraph tags, each of which merely enclosed a
pilcrow ¶ sign.
Wrapped the actual paragraphs instead, and moved the pilcrow to paragraph
start.
btw. As with the KJV, the first verse of a chapter does not have a pilcrow.
Hit complications in Revelation where some quote marks and paragraphs are in
conflict.
i.e. A nesting problem to be solved.

David


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

Fixed the p q ...  nesting bug in Revelation, only four locations needed
tweaking.

Beyond the OSIS, there are some differences in character counts for these
three left/right pairs.

28  (   LEFT PARENTHESIS8,278
29  )   RIGHT PARENTHESIS   8,323   
Difference =45

5B  [   LEFT SQUARE BRACKET 6,321
5D  ]   RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET6,256
Difference =   -65

002308  ⌈   LEFT CEILING6,663
002309  ⌉   RIGHT CEILING   6,635
Difference =   -28

This may be more of concern to the translation team.

David


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

Everyone,

I now have a working CzeCSP module!

A further question for Matěj

I suspect that the following codepoints may need converting from a legacy
font.

002045  ⁅   LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH QUILL  1,648
002046  ⁆   RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH QUILL 1,648
002308  ⌈   LEFT CEILING6,663
002309  ⌉   RIGHT CEILING   6,635

If that's not the case, their use in the Czech language requires explaining.

I have added the following line to the .conf file so that these strange
characters are displayed.
Font=Code2000

I have also disabled the following two filters, as I could not find any
corresponding OSIS tags.
;GlobalOptionFilter=OSISVariants
;GlobalOptionFilter=OSISLemma

NB.  Not yet pursued Peter's suggestion to code the other cross references
that are still plain text.

It feels like a day well spent.

David


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-28 Thread Peter von Kaehne

On 28/12/11 19:40, David Haslam wrote:
 
 NB.  Not yet pursued Peter's suggestion to code the other cross references
 that are still plain text.

If you frame them with a reference tag, xreffix.pl can create proper
OSIS refs.

Peter

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-28 Thread Matěj Cepl


On 28.12.2011 20:40, David Haslam wrote:

I suspect that the following codepoints may need converting from a legacy
font.

002045  ⁅   LEFT SQUARE BRACKET WITH QUILL  1,648
002046  ⁆   RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET WITH QUILL 1,648
002308  ⌈   LEFT CEILING6,663
002309  ⌉   RIGHT CEILING   6,635

If that's not the case, their use in the Czech language requires explaining.


They are not relevant to Czech, but these were my attempts to somehow 
preserve apparatus of variants in the Czech text ...


... hmm, looking at the original text once more it seems like my bug 
here. See for example note 1 in 62_Mk.xml (the original source file of 
the Mark’s gospel):


defpozn n=v1Řec. slovo italiceuangelion/italic se nachází už 
v#x00A0;Homérově
Odyseji (14, 152.166), a#x00A0;to ve významu bczuv/odměna za dobrou 
zprávueczuv/.

Zároveň tento výraz označoval bczuv/dobrou zprávueczuv/ samu. Základem
užití tohoto slova v#x00A0;NS je Stará smlouva (LXX). Velmi důležité 
jsou texty, kde

se vyskytuje příslušné odvozené sloveso italiceuangelizesthai/italic
(bczuv/zvěstovat / hlásat dobrou zprávueczuv/). Viz zvl. 
Iz#x00A0;52,7 a#x00A0;61,1pomlcka/3;

srv. Sk#x00A0;5,42p/defpozn

Here ⁅ ⁆ are translations of bczuv/ and eczuv/ respectively which 
are just (beginning|end)-of-Czech-úvozovek (quotes), so I guess these 
should be translated to plain Unicode „ and “ (which is the way we use 
double quotes). I have to check once more why I didn't translated it to 
double-quotes in the first place. (The other tags here should be simple 
... defpozn is “defition of poznámka” (note), italic is obvious, 
pomlcka/ stands for em-dash; preservation of unbreakable space is 
important for following of Czech grammar rules about breaking lines).


italic and bczuv are just two examples of many cases of mixing 
semantic and typographic markup in the text.


I haven't seen the code really for the last couple of months, so I have 
to recheck why I didn't go the obvious way and make bczuv/ and 
eczuv/ into proper double-quotes.


---
⌈ and ⌉ are more complicated. They are originally bkzavorka/ and 
ekzavorka/ and they limit the text for which the appropriate 
translator note is used. See again the first two verses of the Mark’s 
gospel:


kap n=1/
vers n=1/Počátekodkazo n=o1/ evangeliaodkaz n=v1/ Ježíše Krista,
hzavorkaSyna Božího/hzavorkaodkazo n=o2/ bkzavorka/.
vers n=2/Jakekzavorka/odkaz n=t2/ je perfnapsáno/perf
bkzavorka/v#x00A0;proroku Izaiášoviekzavorka/:odkaz n=t3/ 
czapHle,

hzavorkajá/hzavorka posílám svého poslaodkaz n=t4/ před tvou tváří,
který futupraví/fut tvou cestu italic[před
tebou]/italic.odkazo n=o3/

Here odkaz n=t2/ (“odkaz” is “a reference” in Czech) referes to the 
text over the border of verse “. Jak” (and apparently, IMHO, this is a 
mistake in the original markup of the text, but it is so printed in the 
paper version of the Bible). Other codes, just to make more examples:


- kap/ is a chapter milestone
- vers/ is a verse milestone
- odkazo is a “o-type” reference (meaning a reference to a footnote 
containing reference to the other verse of the Bible, the other one is 
odkaz/ for a footnote with the actual text of translator’s note).
- hzavorka element is a markup for the text used in less important 
manuscripts (although John 7:59-8:11 is not marked up at all and there 
is only a odkaz at Jn 7:59; the same goes for Mk 16:9- which has also 
only a text note explaining that the rest of the chapter is not present 
in many important manuscripts), so they used it probably only for small 
portions of text.
- perf is an element marking the verb in the Greek perfectum, which is 
difficult to translate correctly to Czech as we don't have perfectum as 
a special case for verbs.
- czap is an element for “text quoted by Czech apostrophe”, and I am 
not sure whether in all cases it means a quotation of the Old Testament 
text in the New Testament (as in this case).
- fut is another case of marking up a Greek verb which cannot be well 
translated into Czech; here it is the other way around ... Czech future 
tenses are more rich than Greek ones (there are grammatical aspects 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect in Czech, which are not 
in Greek; so a Czech translation could make a difference which isn’t in 
the original text.


I hope I've shown you what's the battle I am fighting with.

Guys, thank you so so much for helping with this!

Blessings,

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-28 Thread Peter von Kaehne

On 28/12/11 23:10, David Haslam wrote:
 Thanks Peter,
 
 Do we have a list of Czech bookname abbreviations for use in the locale for
 running xreffix.pl  ?

Yes. cs-utf8.conf

Peter

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-27 Thread DM Smith

Replying to the entire thread:
Debugging:
The -d flag is very helpful to see what osis2mod is doing.
You can use the -d flag multiple times as in -d 1 -d 4 or
add them together as in -d 5 or
both -d 5 -d 8
To get full debugging -d 1023

SIGSEGV
I think Troy and I fixed this in SVN, revision 2669 in versekey.cpp and 
2671 in osis2mod.cpp.
You are using 2562.
This bug is hit when a chapter is not in the chosen versification.
Since the output is not flushed with every verse, the raw dat file is 
not helpful in determining where the problem occurs, but only that it occurs 
after that point.

David's suggestion for raw text:
During development, it is best to use raw text as you can open the dat 
file(s) and see what is present.
Pretty much it should be everything except verse markers.
If you use -d 2, it will put verse markers into the output.

Sub-identifiers:
SWORD engine cannot handle ! in the osisID, so osis2mod strips them off 
of the osisIDs for verses.
I did not see any for verses, but only for notes.

Markup of cross references:
Peter mentioned that references should be marked up.
In your module you frequently have something like:
note osisRef=Gen.1.1 osisID=Gen.1.1!o1 type=crossReference 
n=o1
14,19;
Ex 20,11;
Iz 37,16;
Jr 32,17;
1Pa 16,26;
Neh 9,6;
Ž 8,4;
115,15;
Sk 4,24
/note
The problem with this is that the SWORD and JSword engines won't create 
clickable references for such a note.
You should wrap each reference with:
reference osisRef=Gen.14.1914,19/reference;
reference osisRef=Exod.20.11Ex 20,11/reference;

While OSIS allows for more than one reference in an osisRef, SWORD does 
not handle the linking for it, but only the first listed. Unless the osisRef is 
for adjacent verses in the same chapter, split each reference into its own tag.

Sub-identifiers:
osis2mod handles sub-identifiers on a verse's osisID by stripping it 
off.
Are there any? I didn't see any.
-d 128 will output DEBUG(REF): Found a grain suffix  when it finds 
one.
If it finds Gen.1.1!a and later Gen.1.1!b, it will append Gen.1.1!b to 
what was already found for Gen.1.1.
To generalize: osis2mod does not care what the order of verses are in 
the module. It will quite happily re-order them. And if it finds the same verse 
reference a subsequent time, it will append the text to the verse.
However, an osisID=Gen.1.1 Gen.1.2!a followed by osisID=Gen.1.2!b 
Gen.1.3 will not be handled as you might expect.
All the text will be stored in the dat file, but the idx files might 
not point properly.

Book tags:
Can be either(in order of recommendation):
div type=book osisID=Gen sID=Gen/ ... div eID=Gen/
div type=book osisID=Gen.../div
Osis2mod uses the book divs to determine what titles are book titles.
Osis2mod also uses them to determine whether the book is in the v11n. 
If they are not present, it assumes they are. This could cause SIGSEGV/
Osis2mod does not require book divs. But you should have them.

Chapter tags:
Can be one of (in order of recommendation):
chapter osisID=Gen.1 sID=Gen.1/ ... chapter eID=Gen.1/
div type=chapter sID=Gen.1/...div eID=Gen.1/
chapter osisID=Gen.1.../chapter
div type=chapter osisID=Gen.1.../div
Osis2mod uses the chapter tags to help determine what titles before 
verse 1 are chapter titles.
Osis2mod does not require chapter tags, but you should have them.

Verse tags:
Can be either (in order of recommendation):
verse osisID=Gen.1.1 sID=Gen.1.1/ ... verse 
eID=Gen.1.1/
verse osisID=Gen.1.1.../verse
The milestoned version is probably required when you have robust 
structural markup (e.g. poetry, section divs, quotations).

eID:
For each sID, you must have a corresponding eID.
The use of sID and eID must be properly nested.
The value of the sID/eID pair can be anything, but typically it matches 
the osisID.

I didn't look for other problems in the module.

Hope this helps.

In His Service, 
DM

On Dec 27, 2011, at 3:27 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:

 On 27.12.2011 01:48, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 BTW the text contains an enormous number of references which are not
 marked up. Once you got the above corrected please attend to this too.
 It would make the module a lot better.
 
 Yes, amount of notes and references is one of the reasons I really want to 
 make this to work.
 
 However, I am not sure what you mean exactly by “references which are not 
 marked up”. Could you

Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-27 Thread Matej Cepl


On 27.12.2011 01:48, Peter von Kaehne wrote:

BTW the text contains an enormous number of references which are not
marked up. Once you got the above corrected please attend to this too.
It would make the module a lot better.


Yes, amount of notes and references is one of the reasons I really want 
to make this to work.


However, I am not sure what you mean exactly by “references which are 
not marked up”. Could you elaborate a bit, please?


Also, so far (I may relax this in the future) the OSIS file is generated 
by a XSLT transformation from the original XML files used in translation 
(https://gitorious.org/sword/czekms-csp_bible/blobs/master/CEP2OSIS.xsl). I 
am not the best XSLT (try the other end of spectrum) so some things may 
take some time to do. Maybe I rewrite the script in Python (although 
XSLT works so far too well for me to be tempted) or I may relax this 
requirement. We’ll see.


More after New Year!

Blessings on all of you,

Matěj

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2011-12-27 Thread David Haslam

I downloaded it with Firefox 3.6.25, though I could just as easily have used
Chrome or IE.

I doubt that the browser makes any changes to what is within a binary file
such as .gz
I regularly download all sorts of things, and this has never happened
before.

I used 7-Zip to extract things locally. I could just as easily have used
IZArc.

I merely guessed that after the first extraction, the file bible.xml should
have been bible.xml.tar

After all, even a Windows user with many friends who are Linux users gets to
know what sort of things to expect from that system.

David


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2011-12-27 Thread David Haslam

DM wrote,

Sub-identifiers:
SWORD engine cannot handle ! in the osisID, so osis2mod strips them
off of the osisIDs for verses.
I did not see any for verses, but only for notes.

You are quite correct.  When I stripped out all the note elements (using
TextPipe) there were no sub-identifiers left within the resulting XML file.

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2011-12-27 Thread David Haslam

I suppose that strictly speaking a SWORD module can be made without having
bookGroup or x-testament division[s].

Otherwise the append option -a in osis2mod could not be used to build a
successful module.
i.e. If you append each book (apart from the first) from a separate OSIS
file (as I have on other occasions), the resulting module could not have any
testament divs, could it?  Yet it still works.

Has anyone else made a pretty-print version of Matěj's OSIS file?
It certainly helps to see the wood from the trees.


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-27 Thread Matěj Cepl


On 27.12.2011 21:58, David Haslam wrote:

Has anyone else made a pretty-print version of Matěj's OSIS file?
It certainly helps to see the wood from the trees.


tidy -i -xml -utf8 -m bible.xml

doesn't work for you?

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2011-12-27 Thread DM Smith

On the Mac it downloaded as bible.xml using chrome. I renamed that to bible.zip
and double clicked that to get bible, to which I added the .xml extension. On
the Mac it is the OS that handles the unpacking.

This happens all the time on the Mac and I am used to it.

It probably is tied w the mime type that the server provides for the download
in the http header. Curl ignores that.

Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)

On Dec 27, 2011, at 3:33 PM, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote:

I downloaded it with Firefox 3.6.25, though I could just as easily have used
Chrome or IE.

I doubt that the browser makes any changes to what is within a binary file
such as .gz
I regularly download all sorts of things, and this has never happened
before.

I used 7-Zip to extract things locally. I could just as easily have used
IZArc.

I merely guessed that after the first extraction, the file bible.xml should
have been bible.xml.tar

After all, even a Windows user with many friends who are Linux users gets to
know what sort of things to expect from that system.

David

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-27 Thread Peter von Kaehne

On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 00:10 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
 On 27.12.2011 21:58, David Haslam wrote:
  Has anyone else made a pretty-print version of Matěj's OSIS file?
  It certainly helps to see the wood from the trees.
 
 tidy -i -xml -utf8 -m bible.xml
 
 doesn't work for you?

David does not use Linux. He is only partially aware of how much he is
missing out on. ;-)

Peter


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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-27 Thread Jonathan Marsden

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011, at 12:42 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 00:10 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
 On 27.12.2011 21:58, David Haslam wrote:
 Has anyone else made a pretty-print version of Matěj's OSIS file?
 It certainly helps to see the wood from the trees.

 tidy -i -xml -utf8 -m bible.xml

 doesn't work for you?

 David does not use Linux. He is only partially aware of how much he is
 missing out on. ;-)

He doesn't have to miss out on tidy, there is a (fairly old) GNUwin32
port of it, for example at

  http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/gnu/gnu-win32/release/tidy/

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2011-12-27 Thread Chris Little



On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:32 AM, DM Smith dmsm...@crosswire.org wrote:
 
 Chapter tags:
Can be one of (in order of recommendation):
chapter osisID=Gen.1 sID=Gen.1/ ... chapter eID=Gen.1/
div type=chapter sID=Gen.1/...div eID=Gen.1/
chapter osisID=Gen.1.../chapter
div type=chapter osisID=Gen.1.../div
Osis2mod uses the chapter tags to help determine what titles before verse 
 1 are chapter titles.
Osis2mod does not require chapter tags, but you should have them.
 

div type=chapter should not be used in Bibles, only chapter. The latter 
alone refers to Bible chapters. The former would be used for chapters in all 
other types of books.

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-26 Thread David Haslam

What was the reason for not generating eID milestones for verses?

These should be present as per the example shown in the wiki page.

David

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2011-12-26 Thread Matěj Cepl


On 25.12.2011 22:57, David Haslam wrote:

The file bible.xml within http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/bible.xml.gz
seems to be not a text file but a binary!

In fact, it needs to be renamed as bible.xml.tar and decompressed yet again
to get the real bible.xml


mitmanek:~ $ curl -L -O http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/bible.xml.gz
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time 
 Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft 
 Speed
100 3708k  100 3708k0 0   767k  0  0:00:04  0:00:04 --:--:-- 
 792k

mitmanek:~ $ file bible.xml.gz
bible.xml.gz: gzip compressed data, was bible.xml, from Unix, last 
modified: Sun Dec 25 07:43:38 2011, max compression

mitmanek:~ $ gunzip bible.xml.gz
mitmanek:~ $ file bible.xml
bible.xml: XML  document text
mitmanek:~ $ head bible.xml
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
osis xmlns=http://www.bibletechnologies.net/2003/OSIS/namespace; 
xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; 
xmlns:xi=http://www.w3.org/2003/XInclude;
  osisText osisIDWork=CzeKMS osisRefWork=bible xml:lang=cs 
canonical=true

header
  revisionDesc resp=Matěj Cepl
date2010.09.07/date
pThis is just an information about the book./p
  /revisionDesc
  work osisWork=CzeKMS
titleČeský studijní překlad Bible/title
mitmanek:~ $

Sorry, that's your browser which did some repackaging behind the scenes.

Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-26 Thread Matěj Cepl


On 26.12.2011 08:18, David Haslam wrote:

Thechapter ... tags should end with  rather than /

Also there are no/chapter  tags.


Meaning, chapter/ couldn't be a milestone?

How does it align with this? (from 
http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#OSIS_Milestones):


# It is allowable to use milestone elements for verses alone, or for
# both verses and chapters. The body example above is for the former.

Also, see the chapter 7.5 “The div element” (page 36) and example 
therein in “OSIS Users Manual” 
(http://www.bibletechnologies.net/utilities/fmtdocview.cfm?id=28871A67-D5F5-4381-B22EC4947601628Bmethod=title). 
What I am missing?


Thanks for helping me.

Merry Christmass (and thoughtful feast of St. Stephen, let’s we all have 
courage to stand up for what we believe!)


Matěj

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On 26/12/11 19:55, Matěj Cepl wrote:
 On 26.12.2011 08:18, David Haslam wrote:
 Thechapter ... tags should end with  rather than /

 Also there are no/chapter  tags.
 
 Meaning, chapter/ couldn't be a milestone?

Chapters are usually milestoned. Nothing wrong with that.

Peter

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The indeces (ot.vss, nt.vss) are essentially all 0. The osis file, while
validating contains not the correct info to create a module.

Peter

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On 26/12/11 21:39, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 The indeces (ot.vss, nt.vss) are essentially all 0. The osis file, while
 validating contains not the correct info to create a module.

The terminal output of osis2mod is meant to show what osis2mod is doing.
It does nothing.

The file is somehow not correct - even if it validates.

Peter

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mod2imp shows that all content is put into verse 0 of each chapter.
Switching on headlines in xiphos makes a lot of text appear.

Peter



On 26/12/11 21:57, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 On 26/12/11 21:39, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 The indeces (ot.vss, nt.vss) are essentially all 0. The osis file, while
 validating contains not the correct info to create a module.
 
 The terminal output of osis2mod is meant to show what osis2mod is doing.
 It does nothing.
 
 The file is somehow not correct - even if it validates.
 
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Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod very happily generates modules with no text visible

2011-12-26 Thread DM Smith

I hope to get a look at it tomorrow. Im busy w av11n stuff for jsword and 
entertaining my new grandson. 

Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)

On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote:

 mod2imp shows that all content is put into verse 0 of each chapter.
 Switching on headlines in xiphos makes a lot of text appear.
 
 Peter
 
 
 
 On 26/12/11 21:57, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 On 26/12/11 21:39, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
 The indeces (ot.vss, nt.vss) are essentially all 0. The osis file, while
 validating contains not the correct info to create a module.
 
 The terminal output of osis2mod is meant to show what osis2mod is doing.
 It does nothing.
 
 The file is somehow not correct - even if it validates.
 
 Peter
 
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On 27/12/11 00:33, DM Smith wrote:
 Im busy w av11n stuff for jsword 

Peter von Kaehne likes that. A lot.

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DMSmith is working towards making JSword capable to support av11n.
Only when that's in place can the front-ends based on JSword begin to take
advantage thereof.

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As a useful tip, it's generally a good idea to first to make a rawtext module
with osis2mod.

This avoids some known bugs in making a ztext module directly using
mod2osis.

You can easily use mod2zmod to compress it afterwards.

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The file bible.xml within http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/bible.xml.gz
seems to be not a text file but a binary! 

In fact, it needs to be renamed as bible.xml.tar and decompressed yet again
to get the real bible.xml

If you double compress something using tar then gzip, it's best to indicate
that in the filename!

David

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Your OSIS XML file makes extensive use of sub-identifiers.
This is the first time I've seen these in any OSIS file.
I have not seen these discussed in any previous threads in the mailing list.
This might turn out to be the real cause of why osis2mod doesn't produce a
useful module.


The relevant section in the OSIS Reference Manual is:

15.3. Sub-identifiers

Translations also often split verses into parts, provided labels such as ‘a’
and ‘b’ for the separate parts.
Encoders may freely add sub-identifiers below the lowest standardized level.
They are set off from the
standardized portion by the character ‘!’. For example:

Rev.2.20!b

Such subdivisions are not standard across different translations, so
applications must be prepared to discard them when trying to locate a
referenced location in a different edition.  These extensions are not
considered a formal part of the canonical reference scheme, and so a work
that uses them need not claim it is using a different scheme.




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If you make a temporary OSIS XML file with all the note elements removed,
does that convert to a module with readable text?

If all the sub-identifiers happen to lie within the study notes, then that
might be a profitable course of investigation.

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The cause is much simpler!

Your path for module creation is in ztext, yet your .conf file is for a
rawtext module.

Such a combination will always result in a module that appears to be empty
of content.

btw. I've made the same mistake myself on rare occasions.

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Though the OSIS validates, there is only one top level div element!

osis2mod expects each book to be a div, and each testament to be also a
div

The chapter ... tags should end with  rather than /

Also there are no /chapter tags.

See http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Body

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