Re: TransportDomain. Was: Re: [Syslog] Submission ofdraft-ietf-syslog-device-mib-12.txt

2006-12-22 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 07:17:18PM +0100, tom.petch wrote: > I am not convinced that the proposed solutions match the underlying problem. > > Syslog: > - can be -protocol or RFC3164 (or RFC3164bis or ...) > - may be signed. > - may be secured with TLS (or SSH or DTLS or ...) > - could run ov

Re: TransportDomain. Was: Re: [Syslog] Submission ofdraft-ietf-syslog-device-mib-12.txt

2006-12-22 Thread tom.petch
I am not convinced that the proposed solutions match the underlying problem. Syslog: - can be -protocol or RFC3164 (or RFC3164bis or ...) - may be signed. - may be secured with TLS (or SSH or DTLS or ...) - could run over UDP or TCP (or SCTP or ..) What we have then done is to bind -protocol

RE: [Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Moehrke, John \(GE Healthcare\)
Much of the reason 3195 is specified is because there is no good alternative. Healthcare has been asking for a stable standard that gets implemented for 4 years now. It is getting hard to justify this allegiance to the syslog community. There are many in the healthcare community that want to define

RE: [Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Ah... interesting. I knew that Cisco had something brewing, but I never heared that it was released. I still agree with you that 3195 should not specifically be mentioned by -sign. I assume that implementing 3195bis (when available) is probably not hard if you implemented 3195. Rainer > -Ori

RE: [Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, I'm OK removing references to RFC 3195 from syslog-sign for the points you mention. I'd welcome other opinions. I agree that RFC 3195 is due for an update but I disagree with most of your other points. A major vendor has found customers requesting it and has implemented it. http://www

RE: [Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Rainer Gerhards
> The Chairs have been discussing this already. We have a candidate to > write the update. The length limit in RFC 3195 was constrained by RFC > 3164 and we have moved beyond that with the transport IDs which > identify > realistic maximum lengths. Updating RFC 3195 to have a greater length > sh

Re: [Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, The Chairs have been discussing this already. We have a candidate to write the update. The length limit in RFC 3195 was constrained by RFC 3164 and we have moved beyond that with the transport IDs which identify realistic maximum lengths. Updating RFC 3195 to have a greater length shou

[Syslog] RFC 3195bis?

2006-12-22 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Hi all, now that we obsolete RFC 3164 by -syslog-protocol, the only remaining RFC that is not compatible to the "new syslog series" is RFC 3195. The questions is now how to proceed here? I am raising this issue because it has some effect on syslog-sign. I would love to see 2k as limit for sign-gen

RE: [Syslog] RFC 3164

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, The Chairs have spoken to the author of RFC 3164. The author agrees that it should be OBSOLETED. ;-) I did discuss this with someone who has been trying to de-cruft a lot of ancient RFCs. It is not usual to OBSOLETE an INFORMATIONAL RFC but there's nothing that says that we can't do i

Consensus - was: Re: [Syslog] RFC 3164 in syslog-sign? (fwd)

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, Overwhelming consensus is that references to 3164 will be removed from syslog-sign. Alex, Please start working on this but don't submit any changes until after WGLC is complete on 28 Dec. All: Please continue to review the document and let's get this out the door. Thanks, Chris P.S

Re: [Syslog] RFC 3164

2006-12-22 Thread tom.petch
I agree; make it obsolete, acknowledging the role it has had in moving syslog along. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Anton Okmianski (aokmians)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rainer Gerhards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: RE:

Re: TransportDomain. Was: Re: [Syslog] Submission of draft-ietf-syslog-device-mib-12.txt

2006-12-22 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 11:24:10AM +0900, Glenn M. Keeni wrote: > >- How do I find out which encapsulations are supported (plain, beep, > > tls, ...)? > That is the problem we are trying to solve. > Can that be done by defining appropriate domains for > syslog transport over TLS > syslog