Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s, whereas feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias still exists when the panel votes. Otherwise as I say, it

t-and-f: Guevara

Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s 49.16 Ana Guevara MEX04 03 19771Zürich16 08 2002 49.25 Ana Guevara 1Monaco19 07 2002 49.51 Ana Guevara 1Roma12 07 2002 49.56 Ana Guevara 1Madrid20 09 2002 49.69 Ana Guevara 1Bruxelles30 08 2002 49.90 Ana

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for something. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve Bennett wrote: Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s 49.16 Ana Guevara MEX04 03 19771Zürich16 08 2002 49.25 Ana Guevara 1Monaco19 07

Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn

I'll put my money on a miss quote from the reporter. malmo wrote: Shorter may have gotten Frenn mixed up with those other French hammer-throwers from Kent State. It could happen. Cosmic unconsciousness. Shrimp plate $1.99. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

John, With all due respect, why do you chose to believe that Frank really said this and it was not a mistake. Just because a reporter gets the quote in the paper it doesn't make it true. If the reporter wanted to retract the statement, it would appear on page 38. It really is just another

Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn

Garry, Who has more credibility, Frank or the reporter? Why would you assume that what you read is actually what Frank said? Except for TFN reports, I have my doubt about anything that I read in the press. John ghill wrote: No need to crosscheck: Frank's credibiity takes another hit because he

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

definitely counts, but the quality of results should also play a role. Guevara did not exactly reign supreme as did Feofanova. UG == Quoting Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for something. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

I'm not convinced there's any quality difference in the results. I don't think it's a fair to compare Feofanova's results (x number of all-time marks) in an event that has only been contested at an elite level for not much more than a handful of years and then compare Guevara to Koch et al.

Hyperbolic fuming (was Re: t-and-f: A dark day)

Randy wrote: The revelation of the story killing should be a bigger story than the Augusta story behind it- there are MUCH bigger implications. It was indeed a discussion topic on the Fox News Channel this evening, but I doubt it got any commentary on the other networks. But to just yank

Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn

Hmm While I hardly consider myself a member of the mainstream media (given that A, I write about TF and B, that I was a bacteriology major), if I didn't belive in the credibility of my press brethren I'd probably feel compelled to take up a new line of work. My mother always hit me with the

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s, whereas feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias still exists when the panel votes. Not terribly impressive?

t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

Netters: What makes the Anderson column incident so bad is that we live in an age aof one-newspaper towns which makes it incumbent upon those surviving journals to present as wide a possible range of opinion as possible on controversies of this kind. It alsoi bothers me that

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

As a reporter myself, I have to agree, I suspect the reporter got something scrambled, not Shorter. This was a pretty long story, and stories of this length involve lots of notes. I try to tape every interview I do, but sometimes I get caught without a recorder and have to scribble on a pad.

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s, whereas feofanova was much better qualitatively ... When is the last time a female 400m runner posted a better

t-and-f: Guevara

What is the bias? Guevara's not American feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias still exists when the panel votes. Otherwise as I say, it makes sense (I'd personally place Khannouchi first given his fantastic London and Chicago feats). UG

Re: t-and-f: Frank Shorter disses George Frenn

LQQK everyone. I've been told I've been brain dead for some time now. But I clearly remember sitting high above trackside @ the Northeastern Cabot Cage back in 1969 (1970?). I got my first high-paying gig as a field announcer. So the boys are out there contesting the 35 lb. weight throw as a

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:04:30 +0200 (IST) To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs Resent-From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: e. garry hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:59:04

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

According to an AP story I saw this morning, the story that Anderson (and another staffer did one as well) wrote and got cut was because it violated the NYT's rule that the news and editorial sides not be critical of each other. Nobody said Anderson couldn't take a stance contrary to the

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

Ed Grant wrote: My wife happens to belong to one of the consituent members of this organization. Her group was taken over by radical feminism with absolutely no consultation of the hundreds of local groups spread around the country. It just happened. And this is typical of the other

t-and-f: Shorter clarification

I've been reluctant to get involved in this fray about Shorter and Frenn and who said what, but it does involve the inner workings of the place where I work, so I will make a couple of remarks: Did the reporter get it wrong? Actually, there was more than one reporter on this particular

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

Svetlana had the opportunity on a regular basis to go head to head with the Oly Champ, World Champ and WR holder and beat her. The absence of Freeman, Merry was the difference that I saw. In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:36:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'm not convinced there's any quality

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

I agree that I think Frank Shorter is too smart a guy to somehow think that his American teammate was French, so I would tend to put that down to confusion on the part of the reporter. However, one thing that I think everyone is overlooking is that Frenn injecting a steroid into his leg (and

Re: t-and-f: A dark day

GH wrote: The concept of a free press as we enjoy it today is a much more recent concept than you might imagine. The following ran in the SF Chronicle the other day, relative to the behaviour of papers in California politics in a not-too-distant past. I would add, though, that the

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

She went 9 and 0 versus Dragila. Dragila might as well have taken the year off like Merry and Freeman. She may have been in the meets but she was hardly near her best. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Svetlana had the opportunity on a regular basis to go head to head with the

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

If we want to consider perfectly innocent let's discuss the rules in effect in 1969 (and '70), a far simpler time. The rule (144:1) said simply this: Doping is the employment of drugs with the intention of increasing athletic efficiency by their stimulating action upon muscles or nerves or by

RE: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

Let's see if I got this straight: wealthy, insular white women, who live in segregated buildings, eat at segregated restaurants, send their kids to segregated schools, belong to segregated clubs and attend segregated social events, are protesting Augusta's men-only policy so that OTHER wealthy,

RE: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

Could have been vitamin B12 - this sometimes is injected as it doesn't absorb from the GI tract very easily. -Buck Jones -Original Message- From: Kurt Bray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f:

RE: t-and-f: Shorter clarification/Steroid question

There was an interesting steroid tidbit that came up in the NFL earlier this year. Pittsburgh quarterback Tommy Maddox injured his head and neck and briefly lost all feeling in his limbs. As he was being rushed to the hospital, the emergency medical people on the ambulance pumped him full of

t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand side of the home page. I think this was an early reject in the contest that Whatzit won in '92 for Atlanta. The Apocalypse is upon us... gh

t-and-f: TFN names U.S. AOYs

KHANNOUCHI JONES NAMED U.S. ATHLETES OF THE YEAR Mountain View, California--Track Field News has named marathoner Khalid Khannouchi and sprinter Marion Jones as its U.S. Athletes Of The Year for 2002. Khannouchi earned 20 of the 24 votes for men's No. 1 as he became the first marathoner to top

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

What bothers me is that almost all media outlets are owned by just a handful of corporations, such as News Corp (Fox), Sony, AOL-Time Warner, Disney, etc. Check this out for more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/giants/ What kind of objective reporting do you think they're

Re: t-and-f: Shorter clarification

Well, that rule is vague enough to ban just about anything stronger than water. But how was that rule actually applied? Has anyone ever been punished for testing positive for cortisone? Has cortisone ever even been tested for? My impression is that cortisone injections are and have always

t-and-f: WPV

Well, look for 2003 to show further action with the German contingent stepping it up. Perhaps, a changing of the guard? In a message dated 12/5/2002 11:37:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She went 9 and 0 versus Dragila. Dragila might as well have taken the year off like Merry and Freeman.

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

Dragila finished 2nd only once in 9 meets against Feofanova; her average finish in the other 8 meets was 4th. gh From: Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:18:03 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

Make it North American bias, As for 5 years from now - the same was said of 12.3-12.4 100m hurdles times in the late 1970s and early 1980s, remember? So let us wait those 5 years and find out if 50 secs indeed remain rare and also observe where 4.80 or so rank one in the women's PV. Talk to

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

Marita Koch and irena Schewinska are two of the all time greatest atheletes, not just Soviet-block-atheletes-you-know what that means... UG === - Original Message - From: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:38 PM

t-and-f: John Capel

Word out of Gainesville is that he has given up football and is concentrating on a pro track career. gh

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

American, my friend, is anyone living in the continentes of North an South America, not just the USA. === - Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

t-and-f: USATF Release: USA Track Field Foundation established

Contact:Tom Surber Media Information Manager USA Track Field (317) 261-0500 x317 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 5, 2002 USA Track Field Foundation

t-and-f: 1500 meters

Not sure if this has been discussed; USA indoors will run 1500m instead of mile this year. I assume this is to get on par with the rest of the world, this being a W. Champs year and all. However, we'll still be off from the rest of the meets right here in the US. Why don't we all just run the

t-and-f: A different spin on Title IX

And I use the word spin carefully, because any time you get into numbers, you can start doing hinky things, but some of the figures she cites are eye-opening. Story, from SF Chronicle, starts: Wrestlers putting blame in wrong place Title IX isn't the real culprit Gwen Knapp  Thursday,

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

Isn't a person living in the continent of North America an American? Or do you reserve this only for US Citizens..Now seriously, I meant a - Original Message - From: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: t-and-f: Guevara

RE: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

We need to come up wit the winning name. Because of my lack of orginality, I submitted Apocalypse -Original Message- From: ghill [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:34 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

What makes the Anderson column incident so bad is that we live in an age aof one-newspaper towns which makes it incumbent upon those surviving journals to present as wide a possible range of opinion as possible on controversies of this kind. Re Ed's remark: Let's see, Anderson writes

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

While that may be technically correct, I doubt you'll find many people who would support the view that American refers to anything other than a citizen of the United States. Nice try, though. :-) Dan --- Uri Goldbourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: American, my friend, is anyone living in the

t-and-f: USATF Release: New USATF Mascot sprints into action

Contact:Melvin Jackson II USATF Communications Coordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 317-261-0478 x322 http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 5, 2002 New USATF mascot sprints into action KANSAS CITY, Mo. –

t-and-f: Title IX on 60 Minutes

Although I didn't see last Sunday's program myself (Xmas parade and all that), I'm surprised nobody addressed it on the list. Didn't it spike any passion in anyone? If there's a 60M show along this line that should have sparked interest it was the one about a month ago relative to academic

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

What's really great is that they're asking us for name suggestions. I recommended Dumbass the Dork. Lee This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand side of the home page. I think this was an early reject in the contest that Whatzit won in '92 for Atlanta. The

Re: t-and-f: 1500 meters

How dare you interrupt our drugs title ix discussions with a real track topic?!! :-) gh From: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:04:00 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: 1500 meters Not sure if this has been

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

malmo wrote: Let's see if I got this straight: wealthy, insular white women, who live in segregated buildings, eat at segregated restaurants, send their kids to segregated schools, belong to segregated clubs and attend segregated social events, are protesting Augusta's men-only policy so that

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

As a professional media critic, I could expound for hours on this subject. But I won't, because this is the TRACK AND FIELD newsgroup. We're getting a little off-topic here, aren't we? If anyone wants the URL of the archive of my old media columns, I'll be happy to give it, but otherwise,

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

The vote for Guevara was mandated by an inconspicuous provision of NAFTA. Jim Rorick - Original Message - From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs --- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: t-and-f: Shorter clarification/Steroid question

For spinal injuries, common practice is to try and block as much of the inflammatory process as possible during the first few hours (the sooner the better - beyond 8 hours is too late). The idea is to reduce tissue damage due to free radical production. They use a glucocorticoid,

Re: t-and-f: Dark Day addenda

OK, let me be first! I suggest that the name of the new USA TRACK FIELD mascot should be Hootie, tieing together both Augusta and Nationals running. :-) From: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:24:53 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

I'd like to see you sell that to Canadians! From: Uri Goldbourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Uri Goldbourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:56:44 - To: Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Guevara Isn't a person living in the continent of

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Wow. I do kinda like the globe-as-nose concept though. -- | Bob Ramsak | *TRACK PROFILE News Service - Editor | http://www.trackprofile.com | *Race Results Weekly - Asst. Editor | http://www.raceresultsweekly.com

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Is he related to Alf? GM

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

I voted for DQ. According to the press release, the goal is to attract youth, so let's grab them with a name associated with something most kids love (ice cream) as well as significance to TF. Second choice is B Sample. ...wild and zany on and off the track... Sounds more like the old, fun

t-and-f: USATF Release: 2002 Annual Meeting officially begins with Opening Session

Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications In Kansas City: 816-283-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 5, 2002 2002 Annual Meeting officially begins with Opening

t-and-f: USATF Annual Meeting News Notes

Contact:Jill M. Geer USATF Director of Communications In Kansas City: 816-283-4420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usatf.org USATF News Notes – Annual Meeting Edition Volume 3, Number 115December 5, 2002

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Wow. I do kinda like the globe-as-nose concept though. Looks to me like some science fiction monster about to eat the Earth. I think they should just name it What the F@#% Is That?, since that's what everyone will be saying anyway. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in Indianapolis this summer: http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/bounce.htm I guess we should be thankful that we didn't get one of the other picks

t-and-f: that damn mascot

Collected quotes from some of my non-track-watching and/or non-list friends: That's the worst lookin' mascot i have ever seen. The mascot's insane. Marketing experts...who needs them? You would think the mascot wouldn't have a beer belly. That is one of the worst mascots I've ever seen. That

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

USATF get a good price on a used-mascot sale on e-Bay? First response in the office when we saw it was that it was a guy wearing basketball gear, and the nose is decidedly evocative of a basketball itself. From: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Christopher Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: New USATF mascot

Well, it's clearly recycled from the World Basketball Championships. I really hope they don't go with this...looks too much like a basketball mascot. All that its missing is a basketball and a hoop to dunk on. Nothing about it has a track field look to it. Who is the marketing guru behind

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

The mascot is the exclusive property of USATF and will be a part of efforts to brand USATF and the sport of track field. Maybe USATF figures no one watched the US basketball team's dismal performance at the World Basketball Championships and purchased the exclusive rights on the cheap. Very

Re: t-and-f: New USATF mascot

Maybe we can blame George Frenn. Jim Rorick - Original Message - From: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: t-and-f: New USATF mascot Well, it's clearly recycled from the World Basketball Championships. I really

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Whoa... Has anyone mentioned FATSU yet? Sort of appropriate, being a fatso USATF mascot... Dan --- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand side of the home page. I think this was an early reject in the contest that Whatzit won

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in Indianapolis this summer: http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/bounce.htm Oh. My. God. I was merely embarrassed for my sport before. Now I want

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

I think they should name it Wind-aided or Personal Worst or maybe just Nandro. Kurt Bray Whoa... Has anyone mentioned FATSU yet? Sort of appropriate, being a fatso USATF mascot... Dan --- ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand

Re: t-and-f: that damn mascot

Another quote from a non-list friend: Bart Simpson said it best... it's craptacular! -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766 ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/authors/leenichols.html

RE: t-and-f: New USATF mascot

Only an MBA could come up with that one! malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Borish Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: New USATF mascot Well, it's clearly recycled from the World

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Maybe that's appropriate as another sport in which the US is slowly losing it's spot as a prominent player in world competition. Let's hope that the 2003 Worlds are more succesful for the US TF team than the WBC were for the USA Basketball team. Jorma - Original Message - Maybe we should

RE: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

My wife suggested Deja Vu. I might just cut that down to deja as is in I think we've had *already* had enough. The thought of the mascot is like one of those crappy songs you can't get out of your head for days on end like It's a Small World After All, which was stuck in my head of more than a

Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs

At 01:10 PM 12/5/2002 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:43:40 - From: Uri Goldbourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: TFN names AOYs Make it North American bias, As for 5 years from now - the same was said of 12.3-12.4 100m hurdles times in the late 1970s and