RE: t-and-f: Smoggy Olympics

I am in Beijing. Everything runs well. Smog? How about a worked record and breaking a barrier in the 3000m steeplechase for one and breaking another (Wang apart) in the women 10,000? Intolerable heat? Much more pleasant than in Athens 2004. So easy to seek faults. The fact is, so far every evenin

t-and-f: Ryun but not just him

Roger, Anyone not training or living at low altitude was at a disadvantage. Why select Jim Ryun over, say, Ron Clarke one of the greatest runners in the history of long distance. As for Keino running "only" 3:34/9 to Run's WR of 3:33come on... that's an Olympic race for victory. The last time a

RE: AW: t-and-f: Like father, like son

Aren't you missing a 1981 World Cup finals victory in Rome? UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomas Magnusson Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.

RE: t-and-f: IAAF World Indoor Championships recap...

I would imagine you'd write: "Including performances by Feofanova etc... she was more impressive - on the day - then GebreSilassi and the entire medal-winning US contingent. So was Christian Olson's winning triple jump. UG

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Devers, Dragila break ARs at Verizon Millrose Games

Devers ran 7.48? you must be kidding. 7.78 probably. UG == - Original Message - From: "USATF Communications" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 4:21 AM Subject: t-and-f: USATF Release: Devers, Dragila break ARs at Verizon Millrose Games

RE: t-and-f: UW Indoor Meet Attendance Error

They did have outdoor meets, UG

Re: t-and-f: Turkish delight as Ayhan outpolls Radcliffe

And isn't it almost equally ridiculous that Sergey Makarov, easily the best Javelin thrower in the World, who beat Backley in all their encounters but one, is not only behind Backley, but out of the top ten? And do the formidable Russian jumpers Feofanova and Kotova deserve the lowly places they r

Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version

Don't believe everything you read in SI. As for "not liking an American coming over and winning"- this is childish. Come to the Tour and see for yourself. Or come to a Grand Prix track meeting in france (Gaz de France?) and see how they applaud Marion Jones, Allen Johnson and others. Come to the ne

Re: t-and-f: AOY - French version

That is not accurate, I am afraid. Every Tour De France winner is held in high appreciated and a multiple winner - all the more. UG == - Original Message - From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Hersh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "t-and-f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

I am thrilled that Ronaldo got 9 votes. I would have expected him to get 2 in a AP AOY's voting, given that he competes (in Spain but) for a far away country (Brazil), where some places don't even have decent hamburgers, in an esoteric sport which almost amounts to unAmerican activity. Uri ===

Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs

o: "T&FMail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs > At 01:10 PM 12/5/2002 -0800, t-and-f-digest wrote.. > >Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:43:40 - > >From: "Uri Goldbourt" <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

Isn't a person living in the continent of North America an American? Or do you reserve this only for US Citizens..Now seriously, I meant a - Original Message - From: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: t-and-f: Guevar

Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs

American, my friend, is anyone living in the continentes of North an South America, not just the USA. === - Original Message - From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AO

Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs

Marita Koch and irena Schewinska are two of the all time greatest atheletes, not just "Soviet-block-atheletes-you-know what that means"... UG === - Original Message - From: "Lee Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:38 P

Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs

Make it North American bias, As for 5 years from now - the same was said of 12.3-12.4 100m hurdles times in the late 1970s and early 1980s, remember? So let us wait those 5 years and find out if 50 secs indeed remain rare and also observe where 4.80 or so rank one in the women's PV. "Talk" to

Re: t-and-f: Women's AOY

Yegorova was not unbeaten. She lost that slowish 300m (App. 9:30 minute) to Tomashova and Leah Malot at the final Garnd Prix event in Austarlia). UG - -Original Message- From: Philip J Wyckoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PR

t-and-f: Re:

Two comments. 1) Especially given that many will hesitate to nominate Yegorova (the most dominant athlete of the year), Takahashi will be a strong candidate. Given the distrbution of the "electors", though, I can see Marion Jones re-voted for. 2) Why isn't Christiansen's WR in beating a field as

Re: t-and-f: little did we realize...

-- -Original Message- From: Mats Åkerlind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Prof. Uri Goldbourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: ùáú 29 ñôèîáø 2001 12:15 Subject: Re: t-and-f: little did we realize... >Samson Kimobwa

Re: t-and-f: little did we realize...

What about Kipchumba's WR (27:30.5?). UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: ùáú 29 ñôèîáø 2001 02:20 Subject: t-and-f: little did we realize... >when the couple of thousand of us who saw the hot 10K at STanford

Re: t-and-f: Khannouchi makes plea for tolerance and understanding

...and possibly 10 others, unless "athelete" was used in the world wide sense of track and field athelete. UG -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: éåí ùéùé 21 ñôèîáø 2001 18:28 Subject: Re

Re: t-and-f: 30 year (very) old thing

ver? > >And form from a previous season is old news... > >At what point do we stop accepting that form varies/improves/declines? > >otherwise i can give you a list of future Olympians who i beat as a 13 >year old... i always thought it was dodgy that they made it and i didn'

Re: t-and-f: 30 year (very) old thing

A story would be needed to explain a 7th place in the Olympic final last year - if stories are the order of the day. UG --- At 09:12 27/08/01 +1000, Andre Sammartino wrote: >Story that was reported by Eurosport commentators that we get here in >Australia wa

RE: t-and-f: The miraculous age- the thirtieth year of an athlete's life

...or Lyudmila Bragina (3 WRs in the three phases of 150m women in 1972). UG -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Uri Goldbourt, PhD Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:54 AM To: Michael Contopoulos; [EMAIL PROTECTED

t-and-f: The miraculous age- the thirtieth year of an athlete's life

So even someone not named Olga Yegorova , or Florence Griffith (other examples can be thought of) can, at age 29 years and 4 months, right after a miserable WC championships in which he looked as if he was dropped from the world's elite in the particular specialty, smash his own PR (from which he

RE: t-and-f: WARNING - Van Damme results discussed - page down

Radcliffe 6th in a race- is that news? that's routine. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Erik van Leeuwen Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:11 PM To: Alan Shank; Track Posts Subject: Re: t-and-f: WARNING - Van Damme results discussed - page

RE: t-and-f: start list for Van Damme memorial - notes

In far away Israel, from where most of you get to watch - on TV- only atrocities and the aftermath suicide bombers, as if these were the only things taking place - we had the FULL races, the absence of which you lament. The rights to broadcast the entire Golden League were purchased by the main lo

Re: t-and-f: Pre's education (was: How to train NOT to be able to kick and win races.!!

One thing I recollect clearly is that Jazy, who had "sufferred" at the hands - should I say feet- of Bodo Tummler and Norpoth in the mid-sixties in relatively slow 1500m races, won a hectic 5000m dual against Norpoth at the 1966 Euro championships (Jazy's last active year in atheltics) in 13:4

Re: t-and-f: Suzy's thoughts about Edmonton and the rest of the season

Will it hamper the reporting and/or analyzing atheltics (I refer to the sports strangely named track and filed in teh USA and Canada) if we resorted to just accepting and respecting Hamilton-Favor's explanation of what she went through, and accept her reasoning why she will/will not participat

RE: t-and-f: More jeers for Yegorova

: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: More jeers for Yegorova Uri Goldbourt wrote: > Apparently, Yegorva won in both Edmonton and Zurich EPO-free > and Epo's effects don't last beyond a few days. Has it > occurred to us that she must hav

RE: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

El Gerroujh did much more of the work in this as well as the previous world champs in Seville than did a good number of others who won races this long and longer. El-G violated fair play and disqualified? I can't believe this is serious. UG - -Original Message--

Re: t-and-f: More jeers for Yegorova

Randall, Some doubt is left after this as to who is one eyed. But one or two eyes, let's keep an open mind. Chhers, UG At 09:28 20/08/01 +0100, Randall Northam wrote: >on 20/8/01 6:23 AM, Prof. Uri Goldbourt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Radcliffe, in the meanwhile is also d

t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only "enormous improver"?

By the way: A careful look at Yegorva's achievement last year will demonstarte that her progress was less enormous than many an athlete in the past, who still bask in glory - Florence Griffith-Joyner a988 amazing breakthrough first and foremost, but not only her The positive EPO examination f

Re: t-and-f: More jeers for Yegorova

Radcliffe, in the meanwhile is also developing into the world's greatest whiner in atheletics. Yegorova in particualer, or drug taking in general, had nothing to do with Paula's failure to medal in the 10,000 M in Sydney or last week, and perhaps she should take a year off - not the track as S

RE: t-and-f: Richard Chelimo, former 10,000m record holder, dead at 34

Also, Richard was the brother of Ismael Kirui, the 1993 (beating Gebresilassie in a courageous front run and a very early break) and 1995 5000m world champion. They had different family names, presumably "because they were raised by different grandparents" (?). UG --

RE: t-and-f: Zurich 1500m :: 11 aug 2000

"as far as you know" Saidi Sief never ran below 3:30. Well, he did just this in Lausanne on July 4th, timed in 3:29.51 and beating Laban Rotich (3:33.27), Ngeny (3:33.63), WC bronze medal winner Maazouzi (3:33.71) and others. UG on -Origi

RE: t-and-f: Re: "Built Like Tanks"

Why just Dimitrova? Is it because she comes from Eastern Europe? every one else exempt by default? UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sandra K Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Re: "Built Like T

t-and-f: RE: "built like tanks"

Amazing and amusing stories... (but how about a couple of US athletes who are also "built like tanks". How does one know if they belong to the "not caught"? ...or do "bad guys" hail exclusively from Greece and former USSR republics...) UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mail

Re: t-and-f: Let the USA bashing begin!

Very true! The men's race began at temperaures of 27 centigrade which hardly dropped during the ensuing 2 hours. The wpmen's race began at 17 and rose to 23. That's a world of difference. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL P

RE: t-and-f: Kuts rolling over in his grave!

No male sprinters either, no 4 by 100m team, the men's team is almost a filed event team and even at that they have only one pole alters (after Maxim Tarsaov's disastrous injury) - when did the Russians last appear without three pole vaulters in a major championships (they could have fielded four

RE: t-and-f: Tyranny

h".   Thanks for voicing your opinion and explaining your views.  One learns from useful dialogues.   UG    -Original Message-From: Ben Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 5:55 PMTo: Uri Goldbourt, PhD; David Andersen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: t-and-f: T

RE: t-and-f: Selected results from Germany

Dear Winfried, What do you click (with the "steeple.de" site open) to obtain the US-Germany Decathlon results? UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Winfried Kramer Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-

RE: t-and-f: RE: Tyranny, revisited

Well written (and an excellent comparable example related to the US trials). UG + -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:12 PM To: David Andersen Cc: posting Subject: Re: t-an

RE: t-and-f: Tyranny

Why is your hat of to Ngeny? Why is he necessarily more a man of honor than Okeyo? The decision of both the Ethiopian and Kenyan federation to create a certain time gap between non stop European competition and Edmonton make some sense, and the entire Kenyan team but Ngeny (well off-form, so

RE: t-and-f: London run costs Ngeny Edmonton spot

Not a bad idea, considering that Lagat might be the only Kenyan with some chance of nipping the Spaniards for the bronze Medal (assuming El Gerrouzh wins and Saidi-S places second. I feel far more certain about the former than the latter). UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ma

RE: t-and-f: 10.49 vs 19.32

Also because of how she looked (and sounded...) in Seoul. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: 10.49 vs 19.32 Two things... comparatively

RE: t-and-f: World Championship Media Release July 9 2001

Thanks for this info. Do note, though, that Gaby Szabo's "tremendous Kick" is being laughed off weekly by the Russian trio, recently...   UG     -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:31

RE: t-and-f: Realistic chances of medals

I wish you luck, but viewing them as medal contenders given Saidi-Sieff, El-Gerrouzh, Rottich, Ngeny, Mourhit, Kipketer, Limo, Mezgebu, Smail Sghir, Gebresillasi and all the other Kenyans, Moroccans and Ethiopians? Seems like a dream. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

RE: t-and-f: Jack Lovelock

His falling under the subway was widely interpreted as suicide to the best of my recollection. Uri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 5:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Jack Lov

Re: t-and-f: WARNING - USATF RESULTS DISCUSSED - DO NOT PAGE DOWN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE

...Also 10 years foro Heike Drechsler in the long jump (1983-1993). At 09:47 24/06/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated Sat, 23 Jun 2001 8:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Alan Shank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ><< What a kick With Tyree Washington not making the final,

Re: t-and-f: Dutch male athletes

Willie Slikuis was third in the 1948 olympics (3:50.4 secs, same time as WR holder Starnd, desopite torrid rains and a muddy track), third in the 5000m (overtaken in the last lap by a storming Emil Zatopek who came by like a train and almost ran down Gaston Reiff aty the finish) .  I think Slikhui

RE: t-and-f: Official idiocy

World class refereeing leads to world class track and field.   Now, seriously, who APPOINTS these referees- or are they simply the only ones prepared to volunteer their time?   Uri -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed GrantSent:

RE: t-and-f: Christian Science Monitor: factual error?

injury and took another two years to return - with mediocre success- to activity on the track. He left later and went to teh US where, I understand he has been coaching for many years in California. Our list friends there would include quite a few who ahvemet him, I suppose. Uri Goldbourt At 21:53

RE: t-and-f: Christian Science Monitor: factual error?

Hans-Erik Pettersson - Original Message - From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Dallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Malkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: Chris

RE: t-and-f: Christian Science Monitor: factual error?

That's right. It still leaves the balance short of 300... UG. -Original Message- From: David Dallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:40 PM To: Uri Goldbourt, PhD Cc: Malkin; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Christian Science Monitor: factual error?

RE: t-and-f: Christian Science Monitor: factual error?

have been one of the two others. I have it all documented at home and am writing from memory. I doubt that the race I am alluding to took place before May 1955!   Uri Goldbourt -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MalkinSent: Monday, Ma

RE: t-and-f: Mt. Sac & Scott Davis

Scott: From this long distance (two continents and one big ocean away) , I salute what you are doing for track and field! Uri Goldbourt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:26 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Nigerian soccer victory

Many of the better team do participate, but with second rate team (such as Brazil who lost the semi finals 3:4 to Nigeria in 1996 after what had seemed like a sure lead that made them sort of nap on the field...). Just to recapitulate an important point concerning Cameroon's recent Olympic final

RE: t-and-f: World XC

Certainly not 12:52.2 UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Brist Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:01 PM To: David Dallman Cc: William Bahnfleth; Dave Cameron; Richard McCann; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: World XC David,

RE: t-and-f: Epilogue

This is an example for the way the arguments about rule changes, or 100 other topics, is sometime carried: One (or a few) listers "KNOW for certain" that IAAF, IOC (or any other establishment in the sports) are run by "fat, lobster-eating old men". Never mind if Arne Liungquist (a recent culprit)

RE: t-and-f: Statistics of posts and posters

(20) >3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (17) >4. Ed & Dana Parrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (16) >5. "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (15) >6. "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (11) >7. "Wayne T. Armbrust"

RE: t-and-f: more IAAF field-rule changes

It is a good idea indeed to check statistically, whether attempts 4 and 5 have been worthless. With data in hand, replacing what we in medical research term "clinical impression" (a notorious source of both conceptions and misconceptions) we would be more informed. UG +

RE: t-and-f: Doping, but also more stuff

ngqvist of being anti-US (Murphy) and a witch hunter, McCarthy-style (Hall). As a personal friend of Arne Ljungqvist, this makes me sad and even angry. Could you list members please refrain from attacking the messenger and avoiding the issue. I must say the same thing as Uri Goldbourt. Arne Ljung

RE: t-and-f: Decathlon for women

But why also raise the height of the hurdles? Women are on average a few inches shorter than men and it make sense to take this into consideration and allow them to clear lower hurdles. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI

RE: t-and-f: WC 1500 one of the greats!

Garry, you must be kidding, it was a bore which also gets the distinction of a men's "World title" won in a time slower than the women outdoor world record... Uri -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13,

RE: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

. Uri Goldbourt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation The same was likely said about Senator Joseph McCarthy in the early fifties and many others who were on their own "witch hunts." -Original Message

Re: t-and-f: RE: IAAF threat to expel US federation

This is bewildering. I have know Arne Ljungquist for years. He is a man of integrity, of expertise in track and Field and medical aspects associated with it and it's about time the uninformed learned something about persons they try to dismiss. UG __ At 21:30

RE: t-and-f: IAAF threat to expel US federation

The idea that any amount US TV money will provoke the IOC to withdraw its recognition of IAAF as the official governing body of athletics for Olympic purposes (after 88 years! ) is toying with futility. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:

RE: t-and-f: World Indoor Championships - non-drug related post!

Perhaps it is just the absence of Maksim Tarasov and a couple of "Australian ex-soviets" from this particular competition... UG _ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed & Dana Parrot Sent: Monday, March 12, 200

RE: t-and-f: World Indoor Championships - non-drug related post!

The discourse below is a built surprising, considering that the gap between the number medals won by USA and Russia (alone!) has SHRUNK in Sydney and that in track and field, in particular, the Russian women paper to gradually reinstall their supremacy. the strength of the economy is not everythi

RE: t-and-f: Strange World Indoor Championships

Not only did the NCAA division III have a faster time, but this is the very first instance (perhaps the last in a century) when a world title in a men's event was won in a mark inferior to the WR (outdoor, admittedly) for women!! UG ___ -Original Message-

RE: t-and-f: IAAF threat to expel US federation

Sorry to write this, but this view is a bit one-sided. The IAAF is about much more than just "protecting itself" and the USTAF has not been exactly the great guard of democracy. Its stance apparently ahs to do more wit fear of litigations and the involved expenses.   the same rules should g

RE: t-and-f: Gebrselassie 10K

: Gebrselassie 10K In a message dated Fri, 23 Feb 2001 4:24:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Seoul in 1992? Seoul was 1988, Barcelona 1992, he did not run in the Seoul Olympics. UG Geb won the 5 and 10 at the World Ju

RE: t-and-f: Gebrselassie 10K

Seoul in 1992? Seoul was 1988, Barcelona 1992, he did not run in the Seoul Olympics. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Jimenez Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 4:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Gebrselas

RE: t-and-f: women's 4 x 200 meters relay record

How about the dope-drenched wind assisted 10.49 seconds over the 100 meters and getting that one of the books... UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurt Bray Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Donetsk results?

Alexander Averbukh won, clearing 5.80 m. I think Okert Brits was second. UG ++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Donetsk results? Given

RE: t-and-f: Davis Medical Update - 2001

Hi, As an Israeli who spent his first ever sojourn overseas in Sweden: Sjoberg is pronounced: Shooberri (more or less). UG _ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Carey Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:44 PM To: R.T

RE: t-and-f: TNF does it again

"The Polish Guy" Mackoviak is a runner with major credentials over a number of seasons over both the flat and the relays. Partial ignorance of the non-US scene in the (long) sprints should not constitute a reason to exclude "Polish guys". UG -Original Message

RE: t-and-f: And the winners are.....

hmmm... Alekna! Not a bad choice at all. Probably wiser than selecting Zelezny who certainly established an all-time greatness, but was not nearly as dominant as Alekna this year (Drecshler among the ladies- same story). It would be nice to see where the others ranked. I do hope Korzeniowsky was

RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times

Schildhauer was World vice-champion in 1983 and actually the second best 10K runner after Alberto Cova, during these years. Kunze's name was Hansjorg, rather than Hansorg, to the best of my recollection. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: t-and-f: Check out Statistics of 100 m

Clicking- but no contact is  made...   UG _ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ConwaySent: Friday, December 29, 2000 2:53 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: t-and-f: Check out Statistics

RE: t-and-f: ATHLETICS WEEKLY Athletes of the Year

Finally someone has good sense and gives Korzeniowsky the prize he clearly deserved. Smart choices per event as well. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Post, Marty Sent: Thursday, December 28,

RE: t-and-f: How good was a 10.07 100m in 1972.

ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Conway Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 5:37 PM To: Uri Goldbourt, PhD; T-AND-F@lists. uoregon. edu Subject: Re: t-and-f: How good was a 10.07 100m in 1972. Uri wrote: > The time of 10.07 seconds by Borzov in Munich (I saw that

t-and-f: How good was a 10.07 100m in 1972.

From: "Uri Goldbourt, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mcewen, Brian T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: t-and-f: German women Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:40:14 +0200 The time of 10.07 seconds by Borzov in Munich (I saw that race in p

RE: t-and-f: Before Marty Liquori writes off El Guerrouj

The 1984 boycott meant nothing at all because the boycotting countries had no 800or 1500m runner even remotely close to Coe's level. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hanks, Jeffrey S Sent: Monday, Oc

t-and-f: 4 by 400m legs by others.

According to the IAAF official site: Cathy freeman 49.4 Irina Privalova 49.6 Lorraine Graham 49.6 Olga Kotlyarova 49.8 seconds. Although some do not realize it, the major factor behind the clear win of the US 4x400m foursome was the absence of Russia's no. 3 and 4 strings, Nazarova and indoor f

t-and-f: Times at the 4X400m women

Note how over-optimistic (as I had commented) the 3:17-3:18 minute forecasts were for the women's long relay. I wrote, given the sorry shape of current 400m running, that a time below 3:20 was not necessary for the victory and not likely to be achieved by any team. In the end, the mysterious dis

t-and-f: Kipketer

On Kipketer: I have seen him run against a similar background before. In 1998, he had just returned from his long bout with malaria. It was in Budapest in the European championships and he was running against a similar field, at least in terms of European rivals (No Sepeng or Guerni). In the en

RE: t-and-f: WARNING - "NOT-YET-BUTCHERED" RESULTS DISCUSSED

The Russian women strategy over 4 by 400m women is really strange. To hold both Kotlayrova (400m finalist) and Privalova in reserve, and count on "little q" to qualify in a heat where both the British and Jamaican teams were running, was foolish. Even if Privalova does not run (which may be tanta

t-and-f: from Karelin to Drechsler

L PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN >From: "Uri Goldbourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN >Costas said: > >"Despite his image, he is an intelligent man, listen to music

RE: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of ALEXANDER KARELIN

Costas said: "Despite his image, he is an intelligent man, listen to music and read poetry". Incredible! Who would have believed that a "Russian bear" spending time in the ring would listen to music and read poetry? I just can't believe it! UG _

RE: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

Kederis "bore" a much faster time (20.25) , relatively speaking, the Patoulido, and his progress to 20.09 in the Olympics is not without precedent. A certain fantastic American athlete progressed from 19.66 to 19.32 seconds, not long ago, in one leap. Last year in Seville, Obikwelu and the Pole

t-and-f: El Guerrouj

scroll... Ron Clarke was as great an athlete as El Guerrouj and suffered a similar fate. UG _ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 9:3

t-and-f: Who is the female equivalent of Carl Lewis?

Scroll if you are waiting for NBC broadcasts tonight. Those among us who believed that 4 or 5 gold medals for Marion Jones were a realistic possibility, have been, in a way, waiting to see her crowned the female version of Carl Lewis (performance-wise) in the annals o

RE: t-and-f: The Walks (refers to new results- don't open if you don't want to know them)

Head and shoulders above anything in the walks is the historical feat of Robert Korzeniowski- a truly remarkable athlete under any criterion. An interesting co incidence: The 4 Polish gold medals in these Olympics come in pairs: 1) Both walks. 2) Both hammer throw events! UG

RE: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!)

Thanks a lot for the useful and interesting information, however the final paragraph was quite out of place.   I don't think Michael Johnson and Flo-Jo belong in the same league- not nearly.   Good luck. ___ -Original Message-Fr

RE: t-and-f: Mens and Women's 200

Not true for the women's race either (Zhana Tarnapolskaya-Block, previous world champion). ___--- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Philip Weishaar Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:32 PM To

t-and-f: tolerance of swimming polls - and of track lengths...

But a 5000m run, 12.5 laps around a 400m track that has its own tolerance, is now subject to WR improvements by 0.01 (which is exactly what happened when Said Aouita first broke Moorcroft's WR of 13:00.42 minutes) - why, then, did IAAF increase the 0.01 measurement range for every distance on the

t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris - simply a misleading spelling of Konstantin Kederis, the new Olympic champion

instead of providing a spelling taht would result in correct spelling! In short: KEDERIS with 20.25 seconds, included in T&F News predictions, is, indeed, our new Olympic champion. [As an aside: If you ever happen to visit Athens when Henrik Ibsen's classic play, HEDA GEBLER, is shown in a th

RE: t-and-f: Marion's derailed drive for 5

I am convinced that the number of eventual golds matters to Marion Jones as an athlete, to the not insignificant number of surviving track and field fans in the USA and - as I can testify first hand - to quite a few in Europe, where track and field is not "a little dirty world" - as one stupid Chi

RE: t-and-f: Marion's derailed drive for 5

This is an intelligent message that replaces the initial wild enthusiasm by a realistic approach against a sensible background. What if Marion Jones "only" places second or third in the LJ and the US team is unfortunately beaten by Jamaica or the Bahamas into second place (and the 4 by 4 is simi

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