Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Randall Northam
on 20/8/01 12:21 AM, Alan Shank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking back at Estevez' complaint, I'm coming around to his way of thinking. To me, it does spoil the beauty of an international championship to have a runner sacrifice himself to benefit a teammate. For one thing, I think of track

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Robert Hersh
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Though the rules seem to apply only to lapped runners providing pacing assistance (Bob Hersh?), I feel that El Guerrouj and Kaouch should have been disqualified for violating the spirit of fair play, especially since officials were aware of

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Walt, as Bob said, why should El G be disqualified as everyone in that race had the benefit of Kaouch, not just El G. While I'm not joining the forces calling for a DQ, I do

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Alan Shank
B. Kunnath wrote: Alan, Great analysis! A little unfair to ElG to use the championship rabbit excuse as his winning strategy. After all in a rabbited race, anyone can use the services of the said rabbit. If all the runners know that ElG is the man to beat, and they use the rabbit as much

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Hey, I wish that El G wouldn't use his countrymen as rabbits as well. BUT, I don't feel as though it is worthy of disqualification. Lagat should have gone out ahead of Kaouch and slowed the pace down. Or the Spanish should have boxed him in. There are many ways to get around it that a true

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Alan Shank
Randall Northam wrote: on 20/8/01 12:21 AM, Alan Shank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking back at Estevez' complaint, I'm coming around to his way of thinking. To me, it does spoil the beauty of an international championship to have a runner sacrifice himself to benefit a teammate.

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 8/20/01 9:38:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By this reasoning, the winner should be DQ'ed in the 1500 at every GP meet where there's a rabbit (which means at just about every GP meet). IAAF rules, after all, apply to all international competition, not just the World

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-20 Thread Ed Dana Parrot
And Bob, please explain why what Kaouch did in 1999 and this year is any different, in terms of fair play, than when a lapped (or about to be lapped) runner provides pacing help to a teammate (which is covered in the IAAF rules). Simple - a lapped runner can be at an advantage over the

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-19 Thread WMurphy25
In a message dated 8/19/01 7:41:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's hoping when/if El Guerrouj contests the 5000 final in Paris 2003 that any other Moroccans who may be in the race will be running for themselves! Though the rules seem to apply only to lapped runners providing pacing

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-19 Thread B. Kunnath
Alan, Great analysis! A little unfair to ElG to use the championship rabbit excuse as his winning strategy. After all in a rabbited race, anyone can use the services of the said rabbit. If all the runners know that ElG is the man to beat, and they use the rabbit as much as he does, I dont see

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

2001-08-19 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Walt, as Bob said, why should El G be disqualified as everyone in that race had the benefit of Kaouch, not just El G. The people who complain that it is unfair, IMHO, are those that are jealous because they can't hang in a fast race. El G is the best out there and he wins by running his