Conway asks:
...Should not the world record process also take into consideration "equal
opportunity" of venue / conditions ??? Just a thought ...
Well, it would be the logical extension of the wind limit and the altitude
notation. And track's already got a thousand rules, so why not add a
LS
Didn't know about the ISL troubles, but nevertheless.
courtesy IAAF.
WK
12 April 2001 - MONTE CARLO - Monaco - The decision by the Cantonal
Court of Zug, Switzerland, to place the sports marketing company ISMM
and its subsidiary ISL in liquidation, is greatly regretted by the IAAF
which has
ok, I'm a bit biased because I am the author, but if you check out our
website-the address of which is in my signature, you'll find one of the
most comprehensive sites in collegiate track and field. The graphics are
exactly state of the art, but it's statistically fairly comprehensive. I
also
Ed Grant had a wonderful post this AM when he said beware to those of you who
are gleeful over this new situation. I would also suggest for all of you
gleeful folks to consider getting a ticket to either Mt. SAC, Penn or Drake
this year to see what will probably be the last editions of these
LS
Mostly a change of tone, with the news that ISMM is appealing the
decision of the Swiss courts.
WK
CURRENT SITUATION OF ISMM-ISL MARKETING COMPANY WILL NOT
AFFECT IAAF - UPDATE
12 April 2001 - MONTE CARLO - Monaco - The decision by the Cantonal
Court of Zug, Switzerland, to
I'm with you Scott!
I think regionals is a huge, huge mistake. I really feel like the best kids
in the country are already getting to nationals.
I talked to one coach in the Big 12 who said they may have to miss Drake to
schedule their conference meet. The whole thing is crazy to me. Even
In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 1:47:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kurt Bray"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is just my issue, or does everyone's new May issue of TFNews have
Garry's editorial from April apparently erroneously repeated on the last
page instead of a discussion of the
In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:41:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The situation for me is so bad that I may even lose UCLA and USC in my own
backyard. Reason?
Pac 10 must back up at least a week, which puts pressure on the SC-UCLA dual meet,
which is quite
In a message dated Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:00:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kebba Tolbert"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm with you Scott!
I think regionals is a huge, huge mistake. I really feel like the best kids
in the country are already getting to nationals.
I talked to one coach in the Big
The first TFN formcharts of the year for the NCAA Championships are now on our
website (www.trackandfieldnews.com).
Current projections are for both the men's and women's team battles to be real
screamers in Eugene, TCU currently aheda of LSU by a pointon the men's side (with
Arkansas just
I would have to agree with Gary here that it seems to many people are worried
about racing, why wouldnt college kids be racing in MAY. for 90% of college
track athletes their seasons are over by May 12th. Why wouldnt they be racing
from SAC/Penn/Drake on through their conference meets the
there was no advance notice on it, so it wasn't until drive-time this morning that I
discovered Michael Johnson on local sports-talk show, and I'd already missed much of
it, but I gather he's planning a "farewell tour," in which, to paraphrase his words,
the emphasis will be on interacting
. Neither of these entities have come close to their tainted runs.
Ahhh ... be careful now Darrell. These WR holders passed the same drug
testing that all the other WR holders had to pass. Right? (The IAAF demands
it!)
What makes these WR marks by the Chinese any "dirtier" or "cleaner"
Garry writes:
The host?another moron who knows nothing about track, and admitted
it?screwed up the whole interview by asking Michael if he wasn't sorry he
didn't play football, and would he consdier it
Sounds like it was an entertaining interview. Did this guy also ask MJ to
explain and
In a message dated 04/12/2001 9:35:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes these WR marks by the Chinese any "dirtier" or "cleaner" than any
of the other WR's out there?
This was not the topic of my post, nor the subject matter.
The topic was the effect of drugs on
In a message dated 4/12/2001 11:53:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
’74 NCAA Championships: 7 heats produced no fewer than 18 false
that's 27 years agocan't you do any better
GH wrote:
In the glory days of the Pac-8, starting the first week of April, each school had 5 straight weeks of full-bore in-conference dual meets. Then there was a week where the conference split in a half for the Northern and Southern Division meets. Then the next week was the conference. Of
Here's some background for those trying to understand the bio-cultural
reasons for Kenyan/Kalenjin dominance at Boston.
For the empiricist in you, the last 10 Boston Marathons (male) have been won
by a Kenyan. More specifically, all the winners have been Kalenjins, a
loosely-named group of
Just to be clear, I use the word "Kalenjin" in the broad sense, used by John
Manners and others. Kalenjins are spread out along the western rim of the
Rift Valley and constitute about half of the province's population. The Rift
Valley area is also homeland to the Kissi and the Kikuyu, which
TFN wrote:
And no event holds a crowd long after the running is over as does a
vertical jump.
I agree, although it seems to me that the vertical jumps are often the ONLY
event still going on long after the running is over!(which as a big pole
vault fan is fine with me)
- Ed Parrot
In a message dated 04/11/2001 8:03:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Even with drugs, these marks are astonishing. If these women
(if they really were women) were on drugs, I just wonder how fast they
could have run clean because no matter how effective the
Well, it's old news that Kenyans, mainly Kalenjin's, dominate distance
running today. Their evolution has made them superb distance runners. They
have lived at altitude for millions of years. They have lived a harder
existance than say the American silver platter life. I would like to make
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Conway Hill wrote:
Because as I see it at present, if this is the case then collegiate track
is basically a sport for the collegiately elite with little opportunity
for "development" of athletes ... Recruiting means finding those athletes
that can come in and "score" NCAA
Oleg:
Actually, there is every reason to elieve there is a genetic component to
that as well, but it's too long to get into here. The difference, however,
is that the Kenyan example provides statistical evidence, but that is only a
small fraction of the evidencethe rest is based on
in the top 8 in at least two of the races or likely had Q marks in
both and/or marathon:
1976: Shorter; Craig Virgin, Gary Bjorklund, Bill Rodgers,
Ed Mendoza (5th 10k/definitely had Q marks in Mar 5k),
Kardong, et. al
I remember Ed Mendoza telling me that after his 5th place
Alan. Of course, you make great points. But don't expect a person of West
African ancestry to ever win a marathon -- they have such small, genetically
determined lung capacity and huge percentage of fast twitch muscles and
other anatomical and physiological characteristics that it would be a long
Excellent work, and very entertaining.
However, this arcane achievement is probably not achieved as often as we
think. Mostly because when you train for a Spring marathon, you don't
usually run many track races leading up to it. Additionally, many would
find it hard to hit a sub-13:40 5k in
Statistics is a pretty interesting tool for making this type of arguments.
Example:
Over the past 75 years the world chess crown belonged to a russian (and by
"russian" I mean the broad definition of the term) 70 times out of 75.
The chance of this happening by "accident" is even lower than
the
--- alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course the US's best marathoners are running
10ks right now. Tick, tock, tick, tock
Of course, the same could also be said for the Kenyans and Ethiopians. My
guess is, if the top Americans moved up, and so did the top east Africans,
the Americans
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Meanwhile, returning to the issue of standing up or sitting down at
track meets: This is an issue on which I agree with Garry Hill.
At the Texas Relays last Saturday afternoon, I was sitting above
and slightly in front of the finish line, among an enthusiastic crowd,
probably--on
Oleg:
When did chess become a sport? I'm sure if Steven Hawking (a
paraplegic) or Bill Gates (who doesn't strike me as being very
athletic) devoted their considerable intellectual powers to chess
they might also become world champions. Sorry, don't see the analogy
to distance running
The host-another moron who knows nothing about track, and admitted
it-screwed up the whole interview by asking Michael if he wasn't sorry he
didn't play football, and would he consdier it. MJ got rather testy, asked
if when he interviewed Michael Jordan did he ask him questions liek that. At
that
on 12/4/01 6:15 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(which they are not very competitive at
compared to athletes from West Africa -- they don't have the body type for
it)
I know I shouldn't step into this minefield, but I do find some of this,
just as I found some of John Entine's
Randall:
I am sticking to what I know Randall. I've actually read the genetic and
scientific research on this. Your eye balls are not empirical research. Nor
do they reflect physiological differences.
A certain degree of upper body strength is very critical to do well. When
one talks about body
Marathon battle in store for blood test campaigners
From http://www.athletics-online.co.uk/110412epo.htm
12th April, 2001
The campaign of many of the world's leading marathon organisers to persuade
the authorities to implement widespread and standardised blood-testing is
yet to yield positive
Book sales must be flagging. Time to drum up a little more cheap publicity
by making sweeping statements that someone is sure to take issue with.
_
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so the rivals websites are totally going belly up?
Doug Lynch
www.Lynxphotos.com
Ed:
Wang certainly was not a one year wonder. Before
1993, she was runner up to Paula Radcliffe in the world junior cross country.
Later, she was the World champion in Stuttgart, the Asian champion in Hiroshima
and the Olympic champion in Atlanta. I don't have the stats, but I think that
Jon Entine wrote:
East Africans also have huge natural lung capacity
Do you mean untrained lung capacity? The only way I can imagine you could
test for "natural" lung capacity would be at birth.
- Ed Parrot
The Regionals system is not going to increase the performances of
athletes whatsoever. Return the scholarship numbers to what they were
in the early 80's and that will make the difference. If you look at
collegiate perfomances, esp. the disatances, the level of excellence
drops off as the
In a message dated 04/12/2001 5:53:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Return the scholarship numbers to what they were
in the early 80's and that will make the difference.
Uh oh! Shh! You will have the Title IX supporters in here raising a
ruckus.
But no truer words
I wasn't saying that the ladies should get the short end of the stick,
but that both numbers should be back to where the men were in the early
80's. As the Final Four became more popular, the NCAA stole scholarships
from TF (and other sports) to assure the quality of basketball.
I won't touch
Actually, as Title IX became more of an issue, scholarships on one side
withered away, while on the other the pot of gold came raining down.
That is why the women have much better competitions these days
Faith is a road seldom traveled
Let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Ed, I
think that it's you who has his perspective all wrong. With three fifths of the
world population it's the rest of the world who hasn't been heard of INSIDE
China, "and for the most part (we have) disappeared."
malmo
I think you're both right. Ben essentially knocked .3 off his
I've seen the Reverend Jeff Wells walk-down Nyambui from 60 meters back in a
5K. He got da five kilo game.
malmo
Jeff Wells(no 5k)
Sandoval(no 5k)
Confirm these to the list:
Shorter(1972 for sure - Bakersfield 13:40's 5k, Qualifier in the
10k/Mar. for sure )
Don
Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work
is
632 - SUN Sun Apr 15 08:00AM 00:30 Track and Field Gator Relays
634 - FSFL Sat Apr 21 05:00PM 01:00 College Track and Field Miami Inv
Sun Apr 22 09:00PM 01:00 College Track and Field Miami
Inv
651 - FSNW Sat Apr 14 10:00AM 02:00 Track and Field ???
653 - FSW2 Sat Apr 14
653 - FSW2 Sat Apr 14 02:00PM 02:00 College Track and Field USC vs LSU
Mon Apr 16 01:00PM 02:00 College Track and Field USC
vs LSU
I already saw this meet on FSW2 this past weekend (USC creamed LSU,
both men and women).
But that's not to say that FSW2 won't show it again
Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work
Netters:
The
NJ road-racing season had a very special visitor April 1 at the first Todd
Miller Memorial 5K run in Summit. (Todd was a coach at several NJ high schools,
including Summit, who was killed in a road accident last summer while driving
some swim team members of a local club to a
Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at
birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree
genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt.
Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work
is
Brian McEwen queried on 4/11 if anyone knew of any US males
who qualified for a US Olympic Trails in the 5k, 10k and marathon.
In 1968 George Young MADE the U.S. Olympic team in the steeplechase
and marathon (winning the marathon trials in 2:30+ at
altitude/Alamosa, CO), so I
So true Paul, so many people on this list, when speaking of NCAA track and
xc, forget that the colleges SPONSOR these sports for students, not just
all-american types. Look at the numbers of kids who do these sports, just
because they like to run, jump, or throw, who know they will probably
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