Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-13 Thread Jon Entine
Randall--it is what I know. They won the Olympic gold medal, which was merely a slip of keyboard. Either way, the point is made: your "thesis" is pure speculation and conflicts with all the evidence. Mine is congruent with all the evidence. On 4/13/01 3:10 AM, "Randall Northam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-13 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
Anyone who follows soccer knows that Olympic games to World cup is like Goodwill Games to Olympics in Athletics. A brief look at the current FIFA ranking shows that the top two african countries are South Africa (22nd) and Morocco (30th) - both are powerhouses as far as distance running is

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-13 Thread Randall Northam
on 13/4/01 3:26 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall--it is what I know. They won the Olympic gold medal, which was merely a slip of keyboard. Either way, the point is made: your "thesis" is pure speculation and conflicts with all the evidence. Mine is congruent with all the

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-13 Thread Jon Entine
Randall: Rather than QUESTIONING my scholarship why don't you actually take the book out of the library and CRITIQUE it. Otherwise you will continue to make statements that are not supported by the facts, such as that Kenyans have a great body type for soccer, a fact that you are now apparently

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-13 Thread Jon Entine
Randall: Rather than QUESTIONING my scholarship why don't you actually take the book out of the library and CRITIQUE it. Otherwise you will continue to make statements that are not supported by the facts, such as that Kenyans have a great body type for soccer, a fact that you are now apparently

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread alan tobin
Well, it's old news that Kenyans, mainly Kalenjin's, dominate distance running today. Their evolution has made them superb distance runners. They have lived at altitude for millions of years. They have lived a harder existance than say the American silver platter life. I would like to make

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Jon Entine
Oleg: Actually, there is every reason to elieve there is a genetic component to that as well, but it's too long to get into here. The difference, however, is that the Kenyan example provides statistical evidence, but that is only a small fraction of the evidencethe rest is based on

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Jon Entine
Alan. Of course, you make great points. But don't expect a person of West African ancestry to ever win a marathon -- they have such small, genetically determined lung capacity and huge percentage of fast twitch muscles and other anatomical and physiological characteristics that it would be a long

RE: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Oleg Shpyrko
Statistics is a pretty interesting tool for making this type of arguments. Example: Over the past 75 years the world chess crown belonged to a russian (and by "russian" I mean the broad definition of the term) 70 times out of 75. The chance of this happening by "accident" is even lower than the

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the US's best marathoners are running 10ks right now. Tick, tock, tick, tock Of course, the same could also be said for the Kenyans and Ethiopians. My guess is, if the top Americans moved up, and so did the top east Africans, the Americans

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Randall Northam
on 12/4/01 6:15 PM, Jon Entine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (which they are not very competitive at compared to athletes from West Africa -- they don't have the body type for it) I know I shouldn't step into this minefield, but I do find some of this, just as I found some of John Entine's

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Susan Erikson
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Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

2001-04-12 Thread Jon Entine
Tests on sedentary adult males comparing different populations. Testing at birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt. Scientists testing muscular fiber type, such as Claude Bouchard whose work is