Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Mike Harris
... I've refrained so far from getting into this burgeoning discussion thread ... just 2 humble pleas though: 1. It is different in different countries. In England there are cycleways ... typically part of long-distance non-urban routes that have been created either primarily for cyclists or

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Liz
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: The asymmetry arises from the requirements of the modes of transport: anything that a bike can ride on, a pedestrian can walk on - but not vice versa. except for the poor germans, who must not walk on a cycleway

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Martin Simon
2010/1/6, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: highway=path precisely fits your definition (in my mind) of narrowway. So, use highway=path + access tags. +1 highway=path is the long-existing and equally long misunderstood solution to this osm problem. I don't get why some people hate it so much

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: except for the poor germans, who must not walk on a cycleway and the poor Austrians, Swiss, Turkish and the poor Belarus, Belgians, Brazilians, French, Dutch if it is not also designated for pedestrians or an alternative for

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: therefore, highway=footway, bicycle=designated means highway=cycleway, foot=designated, which means highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=designated. No, a highway=footway, bicycle=designated is not the same as

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Steve Bennett Is it old as in, obsolete? Should we make an Australian entry, or is it no longer relevant? It is an old page because designation and default access is an old topic and there is no black and white answer. In some countries, when you tag a

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/1/6 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: It is an old page because designation and default access is an old topic and there is no black and white answer. In some countries, when you tag a cycleway, it is obviously not allowed

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 06.01.2010 13:00, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com Ok, so having created an entry for Australia (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Australia), now does the above rule apply? That is, in Australia,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 06.01.2010 07:15, schrieb Steve Bennett: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net The asymmetry arises from the requirements of the modes of transport: anything that a bike can ride on, a pedestrian can walk on - but not vice versa. Anyway, with the

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: therefore, highway=footway, bicycle=designated means highway=cycleway, foot=designated, which means highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=designated.

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin polygons + info from the lookup table

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Alex Mauer
On 01/06/2010 07:10 AM, Nop wrote: No it does not. This equality was originally intended in the path proposal, but there is also a large fraction of mappers who use it differently. Their argumentation is like this: - designated means there is a sign - in my country, when there is a sign,

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Mike N.
As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin polygons + info from the lookup table What is the advantage in separating the

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
Mike N. nice...@att.net writes: As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin polygons + info from the lookup table What is the

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: therefore, highway=footway, bicycle=designated means highway=cycleway, foot=designated, which means highway=path, foot=designated, bicycle=designated. Yeah,

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest problem I can see at the moment is I really don't want to tag anything bicycle=designated unless I'm certain it really *is* designated that way (which I can't do from aerial photography), but I *do* want to

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on

[Tagging] Love Hotel

2010-01-06 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Hi there, 5 months ago I started scratching a new tag amenity=love_hotel [1]. Since there was no recent activity, I think it's time to call your attention one more time to it and start voting. What do you think of it? The page explains itself (I think), but a love_hotel (motel in Brazil,

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net: You want to parse the wiki page from within osm2pgsql?  I am not so sure that's a good idea.  I think it should read that information from a local file (which can be updated from the wiki by an independent tool). For all it matters, the raw wiki

Re: [Tagging] Love Hotel

2010-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/1/7 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Love_Hotel I like your request and I think this is useful in Brazil. Did you mean you wanted to start voting? cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Love Hotel

2010-01-06 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is useful in Brazil. I have heard of such in Tokyo as well. Niagara Falls NY USA has motels that specialize in 'honeymoon specials' which are rather similar but cater to longer stays and actually

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways (was Re: bicycle=no)

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Tag highway = cycleway for official cycleways and bicycle=yes if it's allowed to have bicycles on footpaths somewhere. End of story. Yes, in Heh, that makes about three people with very simple takes on the matter -

Re: [Tagging] Proposed definition for cycleways

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: With cycleway it is mainly for bike with foot tolerated, so cycleway is the equivalent of bike=designated, foot=yes. Ok. To be absolutely clear: in Australia mainly for bike with foot tolerated does not exist. Also, exclusively for

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread Matthias Julius
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: Well relations aren't ways, the ways go through/under/ buildings. Do they? Did I miss something? Last I know is that they are rendered on top of buildings even if they are on a lower layer. Matthias ___