On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:11 AM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
There are too many people who still believe that everything is fine or will
fix itself given enough time and there is no need to do anything. There's
also many people who refuse to follow any sort of guideline, e.g. rejecting
the
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:37:01PM +0100, Lukas Hornby wrote:
Hi,
For your consideration, please read and comment on my proposal to improve
the way that allotments, particularly plots on allotments are tagged.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dplot
My initial reaction is
Lukas Hornby wrote:
In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my
definition is from a British perspective.
Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except
in rare cases.
Community garden is different in definition, both here and in the US
(and
2013/9/18 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
It may well be that almost no-one has mapped allotment plots before**,
looking a bit around in Berlin, which in some areas is full of allotment
gardens, relieves that some areas are indeed mapped up to the plot. They
simply used
On 9/18/2013 5:48 AM, Pieren wrote:
An additional WHERE statement can solve issues for the renderers but
they may fail to help other data consumers.
It's been my experience that data consumers don't go deep in general
to untangle tagging chaos. No one goes after that leisure=slipway
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:22 AM, SomeoneElse
li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
Lukas Hornby wrote:
In particular defnition seems to be key and I can confirm my definition is
from a British perspective.
Which is fine, because OSM uses British English names for things except in
rare cases.
2013/9/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
Big +1
We shoot ourself in the foot by keeping this chaos.
This question is also related to the single contributions debacle,
tools developers, inconsistent presets, etc
An additional WHERE statement can solve issues for the renderers but
they may fail
I think that the seafood example is a classic case of why this will
always be an issue and why there can never be concensus. A seafood shop
to me, a Brit all my life, not only sells shellfish but other kinds of
seafood. The difference to me is that a fishmonger only sells raw fish
whereas a
I am a newcomer to OSM but as a newcomer I do not see the so called lack
of concensus as any kind of issue. People call things by different names
and whereas it is of benefit to have concensus on the framework items I can
see no issue regarding the use of locally accepted tags for items in
The wiki pages for bookmaker, betting, and fishmonger have been added by
me. After adding a couple of such pages, I realized writing proper
documentation is harder than it seems (i definitely agree with the
criticism about these pages), so that's why I decided to start a broader
discussion on this
When I think about making sense of tags, I always come back to the idea to
use our version of Wikidata, maybe OSMdata, which can be installed as an
extension of osm mediawiki.
In it we can connect meanings of various tags to wikipedia.org definitions,
and connect tags to other tags.
For example,
2013/9/18 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context?
Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch
of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view on this?
taking into account that
On 18/09/2013 15:36, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
The problem is that it is almost impossible to write, and more importantly,
keep up-to-date a data consumer (like a specialized map of shops, in the
Yes, I can see what you mean and I can see why having a standard set of
tags would help in mapping etc.
However, isn't it accepted within OSM that tags are open. In fact, I
attended the State of the Map conference a couple of weeks ago and I raised
this very point. I asked, as a newcomer, what
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM
context?
Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a
patch of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc view
on
this?
Colin
On 2013-09-18
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
taking into account that this is about a subdivison of
landuse=allotments and not applotments it sounds reasonable to use
lot ;-)
I note the smiley, but FWIW they're a different root, apparently:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allot
2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context?
Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch
of land. But I'm a Brit... What's the US/AUS/CDN/NZ/etc
On 18/09/2013 12:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
I still have yet to find a definition of lot. Can someone point me
to one that is unabigious, from Wikipedia or a dictionary? Wikipedia's
definition of lot is the same as my own:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_lot (that is what comes up when
Am 18.09.2013 19:15, schrieb Lukas Hornby:
In terms of procedure, should I rename the proposal, or abandon it and
start a new?
Renaming should be Ok as it was not tagged much and is only a few days
old. Maybe right a note about landuse=* and why renaming.
cu
fly
On 18/09/13 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote:
HI,
Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is
needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot
(which was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read
into plot) seems to be a sticking point.
I
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Paul Churchley p...@churchley.org wrote:
As a newcomer I always search, search and search again, both on the wiki and
on ItoWorld, for tags to use and so far I have not had to invent any myself
but I can imagine other newcomers, less determined to only use
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
... IMHO if there is a definition in the wiki and someone then tags
something with this tag you have to believe that he followed that
definition, at least until you can find a consensus to change this
On 09/18/2013 11:45 AM, Dan S wrote:
2013/9/18 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
What is the essential difference between plot and lot in an OSM context?
Dictionaries often seem to treat them as synonyms when applying to a patch
of land. But I'm a
HI,
Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is needed,
that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which was the
word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into plot) seems to
be a sticking point.
I am moved to resubmit this proposal under the
On 18/09/2013 18:15, Lukas Hornby wrote:
HI,
Having studied all of the comments, we seem to agree that a tag is
needed, that it is worth tagging. However the ambiguity over plot (which
was the word I used in my proposal and lot (which has been read into
plot) seems to be a sticking point.
ItoWorld provide a simple way to interogate the OSM database for tag use.
That is really my point I think. Anyone can add any tags they wish and all
the time that is permitted, or even encouraged as I have found, then there
will be no concensus in the way that I think this thread is discussing.
Just some more aspects
Matthijs Melissen wrote
There is no consensus on what to do if votings and actual use disagree.
There is also no consensus on what constitutes a valid vote. Some times
there are questionable votes, discussing things for a short time in remote
places, avoiding
2013/9/18 Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com
...or alternatively: it's clear a tag for an individual plot is needed,
but after that point it got bikeshedded to death.
+1
I will try stating what is needed as clearly as I can:
A plot is the individual parcel of land within and
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 September 2013 18:44, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com
wrote:
We already tag the whole site as landuse=allotments and we just need
to
mark individual plots with allotment[s]=plot(*). This makes it clear
it's an
2013/9/18 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com
In it we can connect meanings of various tags to wikipedia.orgdefinitions,
and connect tags to other tags.
I think it is a bad idea to connect the meaning of osm tags to definitions
in wikipedia, because the content of wikipedia articles is not
All,
I've contributed to osm in the past, though I tend to do edits for a
little bit then disappear for a long while. I recently had an idea for
an app, which required me to have street parking data for the city of
Montréal and since it's not in osm yet I thought I would start adding
it.
Please note I have renamed the proposed tag as allotment=plot as a sub-tag
of landuse=allotments.
The page has been amended accordingly
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:allotments%3Dplot
Voting will start on the 20th September (This Friday) and finish on
Wednesday 27th
Sorry for the extra traffic. I found the answer to my own question by
following the link to key:opening_hours.
Cheers,
Charles
On 09/18/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Basenga Kiyanda wrote:
All,
I've contributed to osm in the past, though I tend to do edits for a
little bit then disappear for a
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