Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 09:35 +0300, Никита wrote: > Well you actually smart person out there. Please query for features > that support bitcoins or coins as currency Come on please ! This is getting quite silly. regexes are a basic part of the *nix and therefore internet world. Sure they are

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-21 7:35 GMT+01:00 Никита : > > Probably because these are for developers, not for users. > Nonsense like any of your words. > Stop it right here! This is now really enough! If you are completely unwilling to accept other peoples opinion, OSM is _not_for_you_! Friedrich clearly demonstrat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-20 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 21 January 2015 at 07:59, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 19.01.2015 12:37, Markus Lindholm wrote: >> Treating addresses as attributes might be fast and convenient but that >> kind of scheme >> becomes incoherent as there is no one-to-one relationship between >> addresses and other features. >>

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 12:47, Andrew Shadura wrote: > It doesn't actually matter if you agree or not, because it doesn't change > the fact that buildings in CZ and SK don't have multiple addresses. I cannot judge this. If this is a fact, addr2 is not needed or even plain wrong for conscription numbers in C

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Никита
>E.g.? Well you actually smart person out there. Please query for features that support bitcoins or coins as currency http://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22payment:coins%22=%22yes%22%20or%20%22payment:bitcoin%22=%22yes%22 Now try to query for only with bitcoin without litecoin tag: "payment:bitcoint"=*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 12:37, Markus Lindholm wrote: > Treating addresses as attributes might be fast and convenient but that > kind of scheme > becomes incoherent as there is no one-to-one relationship between > addresses and other features. > E.g. > - There are MULTIPLE POIs that all relate to ONE address

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 21.01.2015 03:59, Никита wrote: > You don't know regexes and theory behind them. [...] There always pattern > that will broke your regex. E.g.? > You will never teach your ugly hacks to to OSM users. Probably because these are for developers, not for users. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann ht

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:34 PM, johnw wrote: > As an easy (well, easier) fix - it might be a good idea for iD to show, > color coded, what option is chosen for a road - white for paved, grey > striped for gravel and friends, and brown for various ground / soil/ mud > etc. it might make it easi

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread johnw
> On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:22 AM, David Bannon wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-01-15 at 18:07 +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > >> Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) >> maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be >> residential+unpaved > > Th

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Никита
You don't know regexes and theory behind them. I don't care about your one-line perl hacks. You will never teach your ugly hacks to to OSM users. You are insane to write these things as argument for using ";". You will always fail when I add more data to database. There always pattern that will bro

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 21.01.2015 02:51, Никита wrote: > payment=efectivo;visa;mastercard;american␣express > payment=mastercard;visa;efectivo > > Now try to find *efectivo *with your regexes. With a perl regex: ^[^=]+=(.*;)?\s*efectivo\s*(;.*)?$ Usually you only have the value in your variable, so you only need: ^(

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Никита
> Friedrich Volkmann Ad hominem. Wow. You are so low. >, by making assumptions instead of asking those who know. This is called data analys. Statistics. Numbers. There nobody to ask if users prefer one method over another. >The resulting tagging rules are actually a burden for both mappers and

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 12:10, Richard Z. wrote: > ##== Disadvantages of semicolon separated lists == > > ##* parsing of values is required > > sure parsing is required. How terribly difficult is it to split > a string by ";"? It's trivial. Xxzme is one of those mappers who try to design tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Никита
Wow. Quality of discussion here. > I even find the second example more difficult to visualize. It's just worse than the first in every respect payment=efectivo;visa;mastercard;american␣express payment=mastercard;visa;efectivo Now try to find *efectivo *with your regexes. If you want to tell me

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.01.2015 12:34, jgpacker wrote: > I understand that the main tags of an object should avoid using semicolons to > make map renderer's life easier, but I don't think only exceptional tags > should use it and think most lists of values should be separated by > semicolon. > > Particularly, I don

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-20 Thread Warin
On 21/01/2015 10:03 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:43:16 + From: Lukas Sommer To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >The floo

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-20 Thread Mariusz
Hi Judging from Google Street photos (from 2008) all four lanes are motorrad. The sign 331.2 - end of motorrad - can be seen at about this location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1968608980 This would imply the way http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/318383860 is motorrad, and hence the bridg

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? > ... > Is there an FAQ on this? Or has this never been documented I do not have a FAQ on philosophy, only this and that... A few entries about 'how to create/propose/use' tags: http://wiki.openst

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-01-20 Thread Warin
On 20/01/2015 6:55 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:55:37 +0100 From: Volker Schmidt To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
> like: > amenity=hairdresser > name=Scalp > culture=punk > ? Exactly, I provided other examples in my previous message such as culture=country, culture=grunge, culture=shinto. Using several keys ethnicity=* + nationality=* + subculture=* all together would be unambiguous but I think culture=* do

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-20 Thread Lukas Sommer
> The flood prone areas are not designed to let you cross a river Yes. I think that is exactly the important point and a very good description/criterion. flood_prone=yes for things that are _not_ designed to be flooded. And waterway=*, ford=* … for things that _are_ designed/expected to be flooded

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-20 14:56 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > Am 20.01.2015 um 08:44 schrieb Martin Vonwald : > > 2015-01-20 3:36 GMT+01:00 715371 : > >> motorroad:lanes=yes|yes|yes|no >> >> > Seems absolutely fine to me. One alternative (for better compatibility) > would be motorroad=yes + motorroad:lanes

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 20.01.2015 um 08:44 schrieb Martin Vonwald : > > 2015-01-20 3:36 GMT+01:00 715371 : >> motorroad:lanes=yes|yes|yes|no > > Seems absolutely fine to me. One alternative (for better compatibility) would > be motorroad=yes + motorroad:lanes=yes|yes|yes|no . this sounds strange to me, a m

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)

2015-01-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/01/2015 13:01, Hubert wrote: I just found the following Thread ion the GB mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013663.html (I haven’t read it yet.) Is that the one you where referring to? That's certainly one of them, yes. I have a vague recoll

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*

2015-01-20 Thread fly
Sorry, was talking about the RFC discussion on this list [6] but your link or better gmane.org [7] as threads are better listed is the starting point. The discussion at the same time about sidewalk as separate ways might be also interesting. cu fly [6] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.open

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=* (Hubert)

2015-01-20 Thread Hubert
I just found the following Thread ion the GB mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2012-August/013663.html (I haven’t read it yet.) Is that the one you where referring to? Thank You. Yours Hubert From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@atownsend.org.uk] Sent: Dienstag,

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk=* or footway=*

2015-01-20 Thread Hubert
Thanks for the quick response. Sadly the discussion page wasn't much help. But I think I found the right thread on the mailing list (though I haven't read it yet): https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2011-March/007023.html Yours Hubert > -Original Message- > From: fly [mail

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-20 9:06 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > So the correct mapping is that yo remove put motorroad=no on the short > stretch on the bridge. > "yo remove put" -> "you put" ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] Motorroad does not apply to all lanes

2015-01-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
*I looked carefully at the situation of that road bridge in Bremen, and to me it looks clear that the stretch on the bridge cannot legally be a motorroad. When you enter from the west on the on-ramp I bet you do not find any sign telling you that you are entering a motorraod. The motorroad starts a

Re: [Tagging] Overhead signs (Überkopfwegweiser)

2015-01-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2015-01-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Andreas Labres : > heading Brno: > +---+ > | Brno,... [A23]| > |^^ ^ /> | > ||| |// | > +---+ > It might be quite hard for the consumer to determi