Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-11-25 22:18 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes : > > People with vision impairments or wheelchairs can't - so directing > > them to crosswalks with kerb cuts/slopes and assisted signals > > (sounds, etc) sounds like the proper thing to do. > > I agree, but it should not be done at

[Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
Two situtions where I have doubts on correct tagging A) In the case of a road with two cycle lanes with mandatory use (they do have the official cycle path signs - case L1a in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle) how do I tag correctly the mandatory use on the highway: 1) by

[Tagging] Road Running Railways

2015-11-26 Thread Dominic Coletti
Hi all, I have noticed that there is no set tag for rails that are embedded within the road. One strategy I have had is to tag the road as highway=* and add another line with railway=rail. I just wanted to reach out to the community and see if there is another way. -- Dominic Coletti President

Re: [Tagging] Road Running Railways

2015-11-26 Thread Marcos Oliveira
I'm also interested about this. Near me this only happens with public transport like the subway or lightrail and tram for example. The standard seems to be to draw duplicated overlapping ways, one's the highway the other's railway, but I'm not sure this is the way to go. Em 26/11/2015 12:51,

Re: [Tagging] Road Running Railways

2015-11-26 Thread Christian Pietzsch
In my region I often have seen that railways (tram) are drawn as separate lines for both directions while roads are just drawn as one line in the middle. Trams are mostly running on the street if you have more than one car lane. So even if both street directions are separated and drawn as oneway

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcels and national/municipal forest: how to map?

2015-11-26 Thread Greg Troxel
David Marchal writes: > 1) forest parcels: some people use a boundary relation with > boundary=forest_compartment, but this seems mainly used in Eastern > Europe, so geographically limited; others map each parcel with (We don't do this in the US, as far as I know; sounds like

Re: [Tagging] Road Running Railways

2015-11-26 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Dominic, Am 26. November 2015 13:49:33 MEZ, schrieb Dominic Coletti : > I have noticed that there is no set tag for rails that are embedded > within > the road. One strategy I have had is to tag the road as highway=* and > add > another line with railway=rail. I

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
Hallo Volker, there is not accepted method to denote that a way is mandatory to use by bicyclists, however there are some proposals ([1],[2]) for that. It’s only possible to tell a cyclist to stay off a carriage way by tagging “bicycle=use_sidepath” on the central osm-way. There a few

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
I meant M3a not M3b to your question B) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:35:07 +0100 Volker Schmidt wrote: > B) In the case of a oneway road with one mandatory opposite-direction > cycle lane (they do have the official cycle path signs in the > direction opposite to the car flow - case L1a in >

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
Thanks for the two fast replies. n answer to my first question you both suggest to map a bicycle lane (which is separated from the main carriageway only by a white painted line) as a separate way. To me this seems not correct. We apply always the rule to map as separate ways only ways that are

[Tagging] Suggested tagging (was: bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?)

2015-11-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/11/2015 10:35, Volker Schmidt wrote: Two situtions where I have doubts on correct tagging In addition to the textual answers already provided, I'd certainly find it really useful if people could link to an area that is already mapped and tagged as per a particular suggestion. As well

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Volker Schmidt
As Andy suggested to me in a separate mail here a link to the first situation: case L1a in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle Mapillary example: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3wfpqOM-VrIo8qY-pCnxJw/photo For the second situation I can only offer the example M3a (by error the number was

[Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I just noticed that a lot of boundary relations have the lower ranking parts included as members with the "subarea" role. This role is documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary But I wonder how it got on this definition page. Was this discussed anywhere? I don't think

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:40:48 +0100 Volker Schmidt wrote: > Thanks for the two fast replies. > n answer to my first question you both suggest to map a bicycle lane > (which is separated from the main carriageway only by a white painted > line) as a separate way. To me this

Re: [Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-26 Thread Marcos Oliveira
It's an handy and intuitive way of organizing boundaries in a neat hierarchy visible from the database itself. Take for example this boundary [1]. If the subarea role was deprecated then it would be a lot harder of finding out which are its father, grandfather, etc. relations, which would make

Re: [Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-26 Thread Colin Smale
I use the subarea member because it makes cross-checking easy. Have all the lower-level boundaries in my higher-level admin area been added to OSM? Unfortunately the various admin levels do not always form a strict hierarchy. A small area at (lets say) admin_level=10 might be enclosed

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
On 26. November 2015 18:41 Volker Schmidt [mailto:vosc...@gmail.com] wrote: > n answer to my first question you both suggest to map a bicycle lane (which > is separated from the > main carriageway only by a white painted line) as a separate way. To me this > seems not correct. If you read

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
Sorry Mateusz, My Mail Client didn't download your reply until I sent my post. Hubert ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Suggested tagging (was: bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?)

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
On 26. November 2015 19:10 Townsend [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] wrote: >In addition to the textual answers already provided, I'd certainly find it >really useful if people could link to an area that is already mapped and tagged >as per a particular suggestion That's a good advice. Exemplary Tagging

Re: [Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-26 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-11-26 20:08, Marcos Oliveira wrote : It's an handy and intuitive way of organizing boundaries in a neat hierarchy visible from the database itself. It is even mandatory when you have to make nested boundaries that have no admin_level

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Joachim
Use_sidepath was invented to solve the *routing* problem of compulsory *separate* cycle paths. Usage of use_sidepath together with highway=*+cycleway=* was hotly discussed after the proposal got accepted.[1] The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory cycle lanes

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Marc Gemis
just after sending this I realised it would be better to have non-compulsory highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=yes|designated vehicle:lanes=yes|no and compulsory highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=no|designated vehicle:lanes=yes|no On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Marc Gemis

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Joachim wrote: > The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory > cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)? If yes, we have two possibilities: what about highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=yes|yes vehicle:lanes=yes|no for

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Hubert
On 27. November 2015 07:55, Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com]. wrote: >and > >compulsory > >highway=x >cycleway=lane >bicycle:lanes=no|designated >vehicle:lanes=yes|no "bicycle:lanes=no|designated" doesn't seem correct because there are certain situations (at least in Germany) where you

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 26.11.2015 um 21:53 schrieb Joachim : > > The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory > cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)? can you define what a compulsory cycle lane means? Is it that when cycling on the road you have to use this