Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:52 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > <> > > > It’s fine for people to keep tagging these but I probably wouldn't > > add a preset for this in iD. > > While i think i kind of understand your motivation here, that you think >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Tod Fitch wrote: > > FWIW, I volunteer on a back country ski patrol (winter rescue) and while > we have a building we use as our base of operations the areas we patrol are > very dependent on snow pack and where we notice people going to. Your > concept of

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

W dniu 20.06.2018 o 02:06, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > the main question when speaking about the old pt scheme is about > highway=bus_stop, not? That was my initial impression. Now I wouldn't like to touch it and instead just replace other *=platform schemes. -- "My method is uncertain/ It's

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

sent from a phone > On 19. Jun 2018, at 16:30, Daniel Koć wrote: > > I realized that highway=platform is not only marked on wiki as much less > popular, but is also really 10 times less popular in the database. the main question when speaking about the old pt scheme is about

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

sent from a phone > On 19. Jun 2018, at 15:59, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > You might be surprised. Deutsche Telekom's answer to vandalized phone booths, > the "Basistelefon": > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Öffentliches_Telefon.JPG in Italy there was also a period when uncovered

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

Boothless is also common in North America: https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1177/539646770_464dffea77_b.jpg On 19/6/18 23:59, Tobias Wrede wrote: Am 18.06.2018 um 22:21 schrieb Paul Allen: Then again, I've never seen an outdoor public phone that isn't in a booth also lack an acoustic hood. 

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Sorry, everyone, but getting back to discussions re the proposed tag! On 19 June 2018 at 19:11, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > First step: Cheat as much as you can!!! > Find a wiki page you like and use that as your template. > > Then look around for other wiki pages .. if you likle

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 20/06/18 03:10, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: Perhaps it would make sense to treat the iD editor and the tagging presets it uses as two different projects that are conceptually separate enough so that the tagging presets as rolled out on osm.org can

Re: [Tagging] pied headquarters (was: emergency=lifeguard)

On 19 June 2018 at 22:36, Tobias Wrede wrote: > Speaking of the wiki. May any native speaker explain to me what "operated > _pied_ headquarters" are? What does "pied" mean" Or am I missing an obvious > typo here? > > from the wiki: "The station is near to be guarded waters and serves the >

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

On 20 June 2018 at 03:43, gorgonz wrote: > imho such a place is like a clerical. Someone sits in the "office" > managing and acquiring orders ;-). In so far, I think that office is ok. > Or did I misunderstand something? English is not my mother tongue. > No, you're doing very well! :-) Yes,

Re: [Tagging] iD presets

On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Bryan Housel wrote: > > I used to think that splitting off the iD presets into their own > project was a good idea, but I’ve changed my mind in the past few > years. I don’t think the OSM community is particularly good at > inventing tags, I can’t think of anyone that I

[Tagging] iD presets - was: emergency=lifeguard

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > Perhaps it would make sense to treat the iD editor and the tagging > presets it uses as two different projects that are conceptually separate > enough so that the tagging presets as rolled out on osm.org can be > curated by a group

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

> office=air_charter should fit. The ones around here offer both fixed wing > and helicopter services. > > With office=air_charter you could also add > air_charter=helicopter I prefer this proposol over my own one ;-). Like the idea, to catch both kind of services. > I think it is not an office.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On Tuesday 19 June 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Perhaps it would make sense to treat the iD editor and the tagging > presets it uses as two different projects that are conceptually > separate enough so that the tagging presets as rolled out on osm.org > can be curated by a group that is separate

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

Le 19. 06. 18 à 15:41, Bryan Housel a écrit : > the actual work of replacing the tags I never used the tag covered=booth but I don't understand the advantage of what you want to do. To know if an object is covered, just look at the tag covered=*. With your proposal, the tag to analyze will depend

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Jo wrote: > Thanks for looking into this. I had already stopped caring about it and > resorted to simply double tagging everything. Ilya Zverev even proposed to > simply drop the "new" public_transport scheme and revert back to >

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

I would very much welcome rendering of public_transport=platform. But I do not think that it is reasonable to add rendering for it, and at the same moment drop rendering for highway=platform, railway=platform, highway=bus_stop, railway=tram_stop and everything else that

Re: [Tagging] New GitHub tagging repo "osmlab/osm-tagging" - was: emergency=lifeguard

18. Jun 2018 23:27 by frede...@remote.org : > So yes, +1 to keeping the discussion on email - documenting results on > Github is ok, but trying to move the decision-making there would be > problematic. > As I understand it - this repo would be used to document

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

highway=platform is a tag that goes on a way, just like railway=platform. public_transport=platform can go on both ways and nodes. If on a node next to the highway/railway, public_transport=platform/bus=yes is the equivalent of highway=bus_stop and public_transport=platform/tram=yes is the

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

Le 19. 06. 18 à 16:30, Daniel Koć a écrit : > I realized that highway=platform is not only marked on wiki as much less > popular, but is also really 10 times less popular in the database. and for 93 906 highway=platform, 84 031 already have public_transport=platform

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Hi, On 19.06.2018 14:16, Christoph Hormann wrote: > seems to be quite the opposite of that approach. Now i know of course > an editor and its presets is not the same as a map style but still it > seems important to have some objective goals and criteria for decisions > regarding presets,

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: If you can find out who mapped them then you can at least ask why they > tagged them like that. What information do they think would be lost if > that tag was removed? > I can tell you why I used covered=booth. Because, at the time I

[Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

Hi, When discussing rendering public_transport=platform on default OSM.org map style (osm-carto): https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3232 I realized that highway=platform is not only marked on wiki as much less popular, but is also really 10 times less popular in the

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

On 19/06/2018 14:41, Bryan Housel wrote: Sounds good to me. We can leave the thread open a few more days to see if anyone cares that much about `covered=booth`. I think 5 days is plenty. I'd suggest that you'd wait longer than that, and also attempt to find out where the 5k current examples

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> This is not the first time, and you have stated more than once your idea of > tag creation and endorsement is top down, with the software maintainer > deciding the tags on the input side, sweeping away the confusing plurality of > comunity created tags. That’s not really what I think - are

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

Am 18.06.2018 um 22:21 schrieb Paul Allen: Then again, I've never seen an outdoor public phone that isn't in a booth also lack an acoustic hood.  So should mappers and consumers assume a hood is present unless booth is specified?  Except I can conceive of a phone in a building passage having

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Basically, yeah  > On Jun 19, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 19/06/2018 14:37, Bryan Housel wrote: >> Yes it was settled a week ago >> The migration is being discussed here: >> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-tagging/issues/1 >> This thread can end now :) >> >> Thanks, Bryan >>

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 15:37 GMT+02:00 Bryan Housel : > Yes it was settled a week ago > The migration is being discussed here: https://github.com/osmlab/ > osm-tagging/issues/1 > This thread can end now :) > I don't believe the OSM community should allow the maintainer of their default editor to introduce

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19/06/2018 14:37, Bryan Housel wrote: Yes it was settled a week ago The migration is being discussed here: https://github.com/osmlab/osm-tagging/issues/1 This thread can end now :) Thanks, Bryan So as well as being lead developer on an OSM editor you reckon that you've not been getting

Re: [Tagging] `amenity=shelter` implies `building=yes`?

FYI I closed this issue in iD yesterday. We now provide a field to let users decide whether to treat `amenity=shelter` as a building or not. Thanks all for your input! Bryan > On Jun 17, 2018, at 12:45 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Does `amenity=shelter` imply `building=yes`? > > The osm

Re: [Tagging] drop covered=booth?

Sounds good to me. We can leave the thread open a few more days to see if anyone cares that much about `covered=booth`. I think 5 days is plenty. If nobody is using it, I’ll open an issue on https://github.com/osmlab/osm-tagging on or around June 23 to

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 19 June 2018 at 08:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > That's the concern I have with "place" - our lifesavers operate out of a surf > club, a permanent building behind the beach (lifeguard=base).

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Yes it was settled a week ago The migration is being discussed here: https://github.com/osmlab/osm-tagging/issues/1 This thread can end now :) Thanks, Bryan > On Jun 19, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > 2018-06-19

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 Bryan Housel : > Thank you for checking! > I guess those can be`emergency=lifeguard + lifeguard=base` > (what was decided before) "decided"? I suggest you use a different key than "emergency" for this new tag you intend to introduce via iD presets, the above

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Thank you for checking! I guess those can be`emergency=lifeguard + lifeguard=base` (what was decided before) > On Jun 19, 2018, at 8:39 AM, > wrote: > > I just randomly checked out 20 of the places currently tagged with > emergency=lifeguard_base and none of them looked like something

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

I just randomly checked out 20 of the places currently tagged with emergency=lifeguard_base and none of them looked like something for which office=lifeguard would seem appropriate, but all of them looked like what I expected, a place where you can find lifeguards, just with more equipment and

[Tagging] pied headquarters (was: emergency=lifeguard)

Speaking of the wiki. May any native speaker explain to me what "operated _pied_ headquarters" are? What does "pied" mean" Or am I missing an obvious typo here? from the wiki: "The station is near to be guarded waters and serves the emergency services of the organization as operated pied

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Le 19. 06. 18 à 13:56, Bryan Housel a écrit : >> the lifeguard base is defined for storage and administration > It could be `office=lifeguard` that look like a good idea at least for the administration ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Am 19.06.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: water_rescue_station vs. lifeguard_base there are 216 emergency=water_rescue_station which to me seems a pretty self explanatory tag to indicate a somehow permanent presence of lifeguards with some infrastructure. The wiki says it is in

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Don't want to comment on the subject itself but since you open a lot of tagging discussions w.r.t. presets in iD i am wondering if there is a documented policy on presets in iD and if not if it might be time to think about having one. The reason i am asking is that by bringing up a tagging

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 2018-06-19 11:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey >: > Martin, which part? The whole reason this discussion started is because Bryan > wants to offer a way to tag a lifeguard facility iD without forcing

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 11:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Harvey : > Martin, which part? The whole reason this discussion started is because > Bryan wants to offer a way to tag a lifeguard facility iD without forcing > users to choose the exact kind of lifeguard facility. At the moment with > the current documentation

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

Typical dutch pedestrian crossing is the zebra crossing, it has legal status. The only other areas where pedestrians go first is on a living_street (with the official sign), and on the sidewalk and pedestrian areas. The idea here is not that the pedestrians are crosssing the road, but traffic are

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

Martin, which part? The whole reason this discussion started is because Bryan wants to offer a way to tag a lifeguard facility iD without forcing users to choose the exact kind of lifeguard facility. At the moment with the current documentation on the wiki you need to choose what type, and can't

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

On 19/06/18 18:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2018-06-19 1:32 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick >: Was just looking at TagInfo & it shows aeroway=office, which has been used precisely twice! So: aeroway=office this does not sound right to me, and 2 uses

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19/06/18 16:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I've had a go at starting a wiki page for info & discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Emergency%3Dlifeguard This is my first attempt at a wiki, so please be kind! :-) All input welcome from those of you who actually know how to do it!

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 10:56 GMT+02:00 : > > > The whole purpose of this thread is to move from emergency=lifeguard_base > to emergency=lifeguard + lifeguard=base. > > > > And the existing existing=water_rescue_station seem to be identical in > meaning to lifeguard_base, as such should be changed into >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19/06/18 16:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On 19 June 2018 at 16:30, Marc Gemis > wrote: > I'll take a stab at ambulance / paramedic / emergency rescue or something along those lines, but I think we're agreed it's not a "lifeguard"? I agree, but

Re: [Tagging] A new Tag for "helicopter services"?

2018-06-19 1:32 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > Was just looking at TagInfo & it shows aeroway=office, which has been used > precisely twice! So: > > aeroway=office > > this does not sound right to me, and 2 uses in the whole world is basically the same as not in use. Offices should be tagged

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:24 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard IMHO, if you want to tag the former, be explicit, do not use amenity=lifeguard because it is ambiguous, use something like

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 18:03 GMT+02:00 Tobias Wrede : > Am 11.06.2018 um 23:09 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: > > Had a look at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserrettungsstation & it's > a purely German organisation, which would appear to be life guards, > although with possibly a bit of Coast Guard / Marine

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19 June 2018 at 08:34, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Might want to check if there is some sort of tag indicating seasonal > before removing from the map. > > On the beach near me many of the lifeguard structures are built on what > amounts to a sledge and are dragged to storage at the end of the

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 19 June 2018 at 16:30, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I'll take a stab at ambulance / paramedic / emergency rescue or > something along those lines, but I think we're agreed it's not a > "lifeguard"? > > > I agree, but perhaps we should involve the Russian community to > improve the wiki, as part of

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> I'll take a stab at ambulance / paramedic / emergency rescue or something > along those lines, but I think we're agreed it's not a "lifeguard"? I agree, but perhaps we should involve the Russian community to improve the wiki, as part of the mistagging is happening there.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

I've had a go at starting a wiki page for info & discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Emergency%3Dlifeguard This is my first attempt at a wiki, so please be kind! :-) All input welcome from those of you who actually know how to do it! Thanks Graeme On 19 June 2018 at 14:58, wrote: