Re: [Tagging] Status values - was motorcycle:scale

On 08/02/19 10:09, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 22:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: depreciated - a tag that is being replaced with another tag or other tags. ITYM "deprecated" Opps unless you're saying the price of the tag has

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

sent from a phone > On 7. Feb 2019, at 22:57, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So would you call that tag approved, widely used, informal or what? it’s already well used and now with the new documentation in some time you’ll see if your page gets contested or improved, or is already perfect

Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale]

sent from a phone > On 7. Feb 2019, at 15:56, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'm allowed "ad hoc" for low usage no matter what the anti-Latin contingent > say. :) I like ad hoc and believe it works in many languages. I thought we were already using it in the wiki in the context of impromptu

Re: [Tagging] Status values - was motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 22:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > depreciated - a tag that is being replaced with another tag or other tags. > ITYM "deprecated" unless you're saying the price of the tag has gone down. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations

I don't know what your trying to say here? This looks to me like either ; A) 'imported data cannot be changed'! The problem with that is the imported data may be wrong, inaccurate of simply old. B) 'imported data cannot be used' The problem here is that OSM looses a valuable and large data

[Tagging] Status values - was motorcycle:scale

On 08/02/19 08:57, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 23:59, Paul Allen > wrote: There's a hierarchy of tag acceptability based upon how much forethought has gone into it. Proposed and approved.  Proposed and rejected. Proposed and

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 22:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Humm document that it is not known what it is, that the original mappers > fail to respond? > That too. But mainly document that the general consensus is that it is best handled by a multipolygon with a naked area playing the

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On 08/02/19 01:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: I don't really know where I was at that times, mostly because I don't know when that times where, honestly. Should I feel ashamed? I wasn't criticizing the rationale for having a better wording for the status of that kind of "/debatable/" tags, but

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 23:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > There's a hierarchy of tag acceptability based upon how much forethought > has gone into it. > Proposed and approved. Proposed and rejected. Proposed and lapsed. > Widely used. > Used once or twice. Used once by somebody who didn't know there

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 29

To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 14:24, marc marc wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale]

On 07.02.2019 15:56 Paul Allen wrote: Both low and high usage can be without a proposal. And if you're allowed "de facto" for high usage I'm allowed "ad hoc" for low usage no matter what the anti-Latin contingent say. :) Related proposal to have 2 different statuses:

Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 14:24, marc marc wrote: > Le 07.02.19 à 14:58, Paul Allen a écrit : > > Informal is me wanting to tag > > some type of object, being unable to find a suitable tag > > maybe > with low usage : status=Without-a-proposal > with high usage : status=De-facto > Both low and high

[Tagging] Nope | Re: A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations

OSM is reliable. Rather than using government published data, it uses crowdsourced data. Most (all?) of creative commons licences allow modification, so CC doesn't guarantee "protection against alternations". OSM has been going for almost 15 years. It hasn't turned into junk yet, what makes

Re: [Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations

On 07/02/2019 11:20, Ulrich Lamm wrote: If OSM does not want to be a junk project with a junk product, it has to distinguish between the geometry, self made or ODbL, and referenced background informations, fulfilling Creative Commons rules. What on earth does the accuracy of a particular

Re: [Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations

Le 07.02.19 à 12:20, Ulrich Lamm a écrit : > it has to distinguish between it's why good changeset have a good description and a source tag. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale]

Le 07.02.19 à 14:58, Paul Allen a écrit : > Informal is me wanting to tag > some type of object, being unable to find a suitable tag maybe with low usage : status=Without-a-proposal with high usage : status=De-facto ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

I don't really know where I was at that times, mostly because I don't know when that times where, honestly. Should I feel ashamed? I wasn't criticizing the rationale for having a better wording for the status of that kind of "/debatable/" tags, but only the wording you proposed. Cheers,

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 13:24, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Or am I missing your point totally? > There's a hierarchy of tag acceptability based upon how much forethought has gone into it. Proposed and approved. Proposed and rejected. Proposed and lapsed. Widely used. Used once or twice. Used

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 13:23, Sergio Manzi wrote: > "*ad hoc*" (for this) signifies a solution designed for a specific > problem or task, non-generalizable, and not intended to be able to be > adapted to other purposes. > > "*extempore*" (or more correctly "*ex tempore*", "from the time") means

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

@Paul Agreed, and you still must produce a new Wiki page regardless. That's the process most people, including me, try to avoid. Hell, even if we all agreed that a new "category" for Wiki tagging-related pages (which is what I presume we're talking about here) is a good idea, it's a long way from

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

"/ad hoc/" (for this)  signifies a solution designed for a specific problem or task, non-generalizable, and not intended to be able to be adapted to other purposes. "/extempore/" (or more correctly "/ex tempore/", "from the time") means something done without preparation or forethought, as if

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 12:12, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I like the idea of the "informal" category but isn't that more or less the > same as "proposed"? > The proposal process is formal. It's documented, people scream at you if you don't do it exactly right, etc. Doesn't matter if the tag gets

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

" Maybe I should eschew obfuscation." +1 LOL. We have enough problems with English here - no need to add Latin to our already strained conversations. I like the idea of the "informal" category but isn't that more or less the same as "proposed"? IMO, the main difficulty with keeping the Wiki

[Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations

There are very different kinds of data, OSM has to use to serve reliable correct informations itself: Co-ordinate sets of lines: In order to map courses of streets and waterways, it is useful but not necessary, if co-ordinate sets from databases can be imported. For the localisation of

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:52, Markus wrote: > > Perhaps it would help though, if the status on the wiki page were more > clear and prominent – maybe a different page colour and a status of > 'informal' instead of 'in use' for those non-standard tags. > Just to get into the spirit of things. };-)

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 21:50, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > [...] > > This is a scenario in which, as far as I can tell, Mary and Mike have > done everything right, but the community has failed them. Which of > these likely outcomes is the 'least worst'? > > We have a formal rule of "any tags you like",