Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:05, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > >> I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a > direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a > light ray which causes the water to start flowing. > >

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a light ray which causes the water to start flowing. The objects being manipulated in this case are photons. Maybe you are being needlessly pedantic

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: >> This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a >> button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so >> water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow >>

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow begins)...yeah, these things have a knob / lever / valve (maybe it rotates,

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread gyotoku810
The description doesn't work as a definition: "Generally for access to a building, service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc. This is also commonly used for access to parking, driveways, and alleys." A dead-end public road to a facility (called "service road"?)

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Kevin Broderick
Another exception in New England, particularly, is that some states (especially New Hampshire and Vermont) have a non-trivial number of driveways that are privately maintained but in whole or part legally public right of ways. In some cases, three public right of way continues past the maintained

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 05:44:04PM +0200, grin via Tagging wrote: > > service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions > > There are some discrepancies between this page and > highway=unclassified, and the wording leaves a lot to interpretation > and opinions. > > This page suggests

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1 Oct 2022, at 13:16, Timeo Gut wrote: > > On tbe other hand if it's frequently used by pedestrians and cyclists then > service doesn't seem right either. it is not uncommon in rural areas around here that hiking or cycling routes have some parts on highway=service,

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Timeo Gut
> On 30 Sep 2022, at 23:48, grin via Tagging wrote: > > Take a pretty common road type in Europe, which goes on the embankment of a > river, which generally paved, narrow, legally open for walking and bicycling > people, often part of the national/international bicycle-road network, and >

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 9/30/22 10:44, grin via Tagging wrote: Either service should mean "one level below unclassified" and soften the wording even more ("generally" to "in many cases", for example), or unclassified shall drop requirement for motorcars and suggesting service for "narrow paved roads w/ private

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
Ah, I thought of an exception: a service=alley is (usually, around here, in California) a public way, but it IS more "service-" oriented, like maybe it only gets used for rare, backyard-access by owners (which would be exclusively private use), but maybe it DOES get used for trash collection

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1 Oct 2022, at 12:22, Greg Troxel wrote > > So I don't know about the OP's country's laws, but I would suggest > looking at legal definitions of roads, and tending to unclassified for > legal roads and service for things that are not legally roads, if that > makes

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
Makes sense to me, too, Greg. I don't know if it helps or hinders wider understanding, but I understand what Greg is saying here, and while his perspective is "Eastern USA" (and mine is "Western USA"), these don't seem far apart or even different at all, and there may likely be a further

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

2022-10-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Peter Elderson writes: > Unclassified, by definition, is a road on the traffic grid suitable > for motorised vehicles. It is not necessarily paved. Access > restrictions may apply, and usage may change in time, e.g the road > still connects, but is legally closed for cars except emergency >

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 12:54 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make the >> water come out, then it's a tap! > > 'taps' also come with other things for example showers. It you map a

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Warin
On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: I would not tag a bubbler as a tap. These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

Re: [Tagging] OSM Wiki

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
Some of this I know, some of this we (maybe now) know better because of your sharpening of focus. Thanks, Martin! That's a nice, rich list of six separate tags that mean six separate things. Related, many can agree, sometimes sensibly combined, though often not. > On Sep 30, 2022, at 6:03