Re: [Tagging] boundary=aboriginal_lands versus boundary=protected_area

2014-11-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I've read over both proposals, and both are getting long in the tooth. I > realize that the former is slightly more commonly used, but neither have > much traction for use in strangely incongruous, overlapping areas that have > obscure and c

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM, johnw wrote: > Civic is what I suggested a few months ago. but where the line is drawn is > up for debate: what is included in this catch-all, and what isn’t. > > I’ve tried arguing that each class should have their own catch-all landuse > - eg: we have residential

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the > wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office > superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops, > including the Hallmar

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical, > meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies > (177 instances). > > Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate > shop=

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > What people probably want to tag are waters that are interesting to scuba > divers. Maybe we should make a tag like leisure=scuba_diving_attraction. > I haven't followed this thread but Janko's comment reminded me that of dive sites that I

Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge

2014-10-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > There is a reason why I have never started a vote for this proposal (and > some others): in many cases voting simply doesn't work. In my opinion it is > much better if the community simply votes by tagging - or not tagging. > > To tag or n

Re: [Tagging] "floating" or "pontoon" bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can > be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German > universities even hold a regular competition who builds the best canoe out > of (f

Re: [Tagging] "floating" or "pontoon" bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO "floating bridge" is hardly to be misunderstood when speaking about > bridge types, and also the Google image search seems to confirm that this > is an established term. Where ships might beconsidered "pontoons" when used > as brid

Re: [Tagging] "floating" or "pontoon" bridges?

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
Here in Western Washington we call them pontoons. See http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520/Pontoons.htm We've never properly tagged the bridge type but they are pontoons. These pontoons do not look like the wiki picture, but are big boxes which are anchored to the lake/ocean floor. BTW - these

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of movie rental kiosk

2014-08-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > That must be different features (where you can buy copies of movies), > because rental isn't covered by "vending"? I admit that I answered this question early in the morning, before I had enough coffee to get me going. We have dvd re

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of movie rental kiosk

2014-08-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Anyone know of any tag for a movie rental kiosk? According to taginfo - amenity=vending_machine. After that, vending_machine gets lost in dvd, movie, DVD, etc. But with vending_machine you could add the operator i.e. DvdExpress -- @osm

Re: [Tagging] Forest vs Wood

2014-08-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Who planted or manages the rain forests? Rain forests are forests/woods with a high annual rainfall. Here in Western Washington State, some of the rain forests are protected, i.e. Olympic National Park, others are managed and harvested. I s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

2014-07-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Andreas Goss wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Dgym > > As far as I could see nobody touched this topic for quite some time so I > created a new proposal as this seems to be how native speakers use the word > today. > _

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: > > I'd say make the changes at the city admin level for these reasons. The > tribal nations are viewed by the courts as territories but they tend to act > more at the city[4] to county[3] COG [1] level. The squabbles feel more > like cities f

Re: [Tagging] Suggestions for the correct tagging of Field borders

2014-07-14 Thread Clifford Snow
Wouldn't adding attributes solve the problem you described? I.e. field border=* On Jul 14, 2014 2:11 PM, "Dudley Ibbett" wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to work out exactly how a generic "field" would be mapped using > this new tag. I am assuming you would have a way that marks the field > boundary a

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-06-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Buildings will now be rendered behind highways areas, rather than on top > of them. The new rendering might cause issues with areas with buildings in > the middle. The correct way to tag such areas is as a multipolygon, with > the buildi

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-24 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Michael Reichert wrote: > over a year ago I was indoor-mapping the central train station of > Heilbronn, Germany and looked for a tag to tag a locker/lockbox like this: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Schlie%C3%9Ff%C3%A4cher_-_Bahnhof_Neumarkt_Oberpfal

Re: [Tagging] Signal-controlled roundabouts

2014-06-17 Thread Clifford Snow
I've seen one actual mini round about in Seattle and one in Mount Vernon. Certainly there are numerous traffic calming islands incorrectly tagged as mini runabouts. On Jun 17, 2014 1:10 PM, "Paul Johnson" wrote: > Not as rare as you think, and growing more common. I go through 2 or 3 > roundabou

Re: [Tagging] Architectural Monuments - ideas?

2014-02-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:31 PM, nounours77 wrote: > I'm currently importing a list of Architectural Monuments into OSM. The > available information is the name, the architect, sometimes the > construction period. But how should I tag it? I was thinking about three > possibilities: > > 1) histori

Re: [Tagging] How to tag babycare?

2013-12-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In the USA, an increasing number of restrooms in public and commercial > buildings have baby-changing tables, usually a wall-mounted, fold-down > shelf, with a safety strap to make sure a wiggly baby doesn't fall off. Not > all men's rooms

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan wrote: > Why can we not have: > > man_made=surveillance > surveillance:type=webcam > surveillance:zone=weather;traffic;scenic. > url=http:// > > The overarching category of man_made=surveillance is important because no > matter what the intention

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Yves wrote: > Also, for me 'surveillance' conotes a security related camera. > I fear that if the actual definition is extended to the so called webcam, > this connotation will prevent the use of it to webcams. > A simple scheme like webcam=weather/yes/..., url= w

Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change

2013-11-23 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Tagging proposals do not have the power to "deprecate" existing tags, > and I have changed the wiki pages accordingly. Using the wording "this > tag has now been deprecated" always leads to someone trying to make a > mass change but we don'

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms local loops connections nodes

2013-11-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:06 AM, François Lacombe < francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu> wrote: > That's actually very nice ! > > >> Its a man_made=MDF (Main Distribution Frame) - ONKZ is the area code >> which is variable length in Germany and we have approx. ~6000 of them. >> >> A CO/MDF in Ger

Re: [Tagging] Telecoms local loops connections nodes

2013-11-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM, François Lacombe < francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu> wrote: > A discussion on French list seems to enlight a spelling problem about > telecom=central_office tag. > > Currently, buildings hosting telecom local loops connection nodes are > tagged with telecom=cen

Re: [Tagging] Wind turbines: big and small

2013-10-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > As far as I know, we don't have a standard method for tagging the height > of an object mounted on top of another object, as distinct from the > combined heights of the objects above ground, or the elevation above sea > level of the base o

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM, André Pirard wrote: > Ouch, from LibreOffice menu and help, it looks like it's only able to > store a wiki file, not to read and edit it. > Pretty much useless. > Not sure - on my version of LibreOffice, I can connect to wiki.openoffice.org with my userid and pass

Re: [Tagging] Visual editor for the wiki (WAS: How to overcome lack of consensus)

2013-09-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM, André Pirard wrote: > Only gotcha, I think: recent Ubuntu comes with a desktop called Unity > which is very resource consuming, dancing but not singing, and is really > crawling on VB. There are solutions to tame > Unity

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-30 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO use amenity=ranger_station - no need to hide it in a subtag. If this > is anglo centric other people where this feature doesn't exist simply won't > use the tag. +1 -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-08-29 Thread Clifford Snow
According to the ACE website, they are actually an coop. *The Ace Difference* The Ace ownership opportunity is unlike any other franchise opportunity. Ace Hardware is a retailer-owned cooperative, meaning Ace retailers are the owners of the corporation. In addition to being part owner of a world-c

Re: [Tagging] Ranger Station Tag Update (too anglo-centric)?

2013-08-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > (In Australia, national park budgets are so low I can barely think of any > that have manned visitor centres, let alone ranger stations where the > public is welcome to drop in. The rangers are usually so overworked they > don't have time to

Re: [Tagging] telephone lines (and marking other things we don't map)

2013-08-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, James Mast wrote: > But what if the pole has both telephone and power on it? ;) That's what's > common here in my neighborhood. I can look out my front door and see a > pole with both of them using it. And of course cable tv and fiber are strung on many utiliti

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (amenity=ranger_station) - Vote Early Vote Often

2013-08-21 Thread Clifford Snow
As I count the votes, sixteen people approved this tag. Plus one other person who would have marked it approved, but is in school right now. Bryce - do you want to do the honors of showing the tag approved? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I have marked for voting: > > h

Re: [Tagging] incline default unit ?

2013-08-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I think the original point was, if "%" is the default "unit", should we > actually be putting the "%" in the tag? > > My view is that it is not required, but putting it in causes little harm. > I'm late to this discussion, but the wiki see

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - ranger_station

2013-08-07 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > After reading the discussion and incorporating what I could, I am moving > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station > to the next step. Please comment per voting procedures, here or on the > talk p

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > We were just discussing the amenity tag in #osm. If we are inventing a new > tag, can we avoid using amenity? Whatever a ranger station is, it is not an > "amenity" and I would like to stop the spread of this woefully overloaded > tag. It may

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2013-07-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > And aote the USA the jobs of law enforcement ranger and interpretive > ranger have split, though both may work out of the same building. > Ranger stations have overlap with fire stations and police stations, but > seem quite distinct. > Is

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > When a shop changes, it is true that the address is more permanent. Just > like the coordinates are more permanent. But we won't necessarily keep them > in OSM if there's no shop anymore. As this is unusual, let's habe a look at > docto

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - reference_point

2013-07-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Felix Delattre wrote: > There is only one day left and we have: > > 7 approval votes > 1 opposing vote > 1 abstention > > Which makes a total of 9 votes. But al least 15 are needed to approve or > discard the proposal. > > It would just be a pity to lose this init

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:55 AM, fly wrote: > Does not work for me ! > > I have several areas of mixed use of industrial, commercial and > residential. Often living is allowed but I know streets where it is only > allowed on one side or even changing from house number to house number. > What exa

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: > Not sure if I can agree, what does this tag "residential" express? Is this > a building type? A building usage tag? How does it relate to landuse, how > to building=building-type and established values? Landuse is a different issue. Fo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-25 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > After discussing it on IRC, how does this sound as a potential for a > proposal: > > A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of > residential, such as: > > residential=apartment > residential=condo > residential=

[Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-22 Thread Clifford Snow
Like many large cities, we have apartments that are on the upper stories of multi-use buildings. The lower level(s) usually contain shops and business services. My thoughts are 1) tag the building as an apartment building, and just add the businesses and 2) add a node as an apartment, but I'm not

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Tac Tacelosky wrote: > name=Subway > amenity=restaurant > cuisine=fast_food > > This would be my pick. > > On a related note, are the underscores necessary? I'd rather say "Fast > Food" > Me too, but the tag is fast_food. Otherwise you just create another tag th

Re: [Tagging] wayside_shrine - Bildstock - Marterl

2013-03-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Andreas Labres wrote: > The correct tagging would be historic=wayside_shrine > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine > Sorry - I typed in haste and shortened the tag in error. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -

2013-03-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Why not use the existing historical=shrine? Seems like the only distinction is that one is on a tree and may only last a few years. In the photo example you provide, a picture nailed to a tree, seems rather temporary. Could you provide more of a reason why we need another tag for shrine? Explain

Re: [Tagging] Tag for fab_lab with the key workshop

2013-03-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Johann Colombano-Rut wrote: > You're right in that it is already quite used for hackerspaces... but > leisure seems somewhat inappropriate to me and a bunch of other persons I > asked : some insist on the differences between a fablab and a hackerspace, > the forme

Re: [Tagging] Tag for fab_lab with the key workshop

2013-03-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Johann Colombano-Rut wrote: > I have made a proposal for the key > "workshop". > I think it would be very useful to tag various workshops, like Fab Labs, > Hackerspaces > and such (I'm about to tag a bunch of them)

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Clifford Snow
Adding Q38076 would probably introduce more errors, however if our editors pulled the data from wikidata to give human readable names to pick from then our data would become more accurate. Clifford On Feb 27, 2013 5:07 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer >

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-12 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > A sharrow indicates a shared_lane (one of two markings in use in the US; > the other being a bicycle symbol by itself with no chevrons, usually > accompanied by the "share the road" advisory signs; this may be Oklahoma > specific usage as Okl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bridge types

2013-01-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Christopher Hoess wrote: > In short, it's a scheme for marking up bridges (using key:bridge and > key:bridge_type) that's largely based on existing values from Taginfo > and fairly comprehensive. Outside of OSM, there's quite a bit of > interest in bridges, by hobb

Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads

2012-10-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... > >Up to now, I was using "opening_hours=*" with "Nov-Apr off". > > Hi Éric, > > Have you tried: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions > W

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:05 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > > > On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr wrote: > > > > > > > I would like to store information about the legality of fishing a > > lake, a river, etc.

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-08-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Ferries are a bit like motorways with tolls, but I don't know what is used > on motorways around the world. Fee=yes? Washington State has the largest ferry system in the US. Check out http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/ for details. Some rou

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Werner Poppele wrote: > In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is > that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to be > not quite correct IMHO. > > taginfo > landuse=trailer_park8 > amenity=trailer_park

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-13 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > Please pardon the ignorant American question: > > What is the difference between traffic_calming=chicane and a small > roundabout? Is it based on who has the right of way? > > Does anyone have an example of something like this in the US? Or is >

Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value

2012-03-10 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 7:55 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > The problem with using the spelled-out term "gymnasium" is that several > countries, such as Germany, use "gymnasium" to mean "high school" (the > entire school, not just the sports building). > > I didn't realize that. It looks like us

Re: [Tagging] gym as an amenity value

2012-03-09 Thread Clifford Snow
> > > I understand the issue with the tag value of "gym". I talked to the owner of a gym I use. He said that they typically use gym in conversation with others in the business. Fitness club/center is also used. He differentiated gym/fitness center with health clubs in the range of services offe

[Tagging] gym as an amenity value

2012-03-08 Thread Clifford Snow
I do not see gym listed as a value for the tag amenity. I would like to see it as a recognized key value for amenity. Taginfo, http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity shows 644 gym, 8 Gym and some forms of health_club. Gym is defined as "A membership organization that provides a range of f

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > ships that generally don't move > > i volunteer at one, a museum ship, the USS Slater in Albany NY. there are > more > than a few others, how do folks feel about tagging them? > > the location of the Slater: > > http://www.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] suitable tag for garden and forest machinery shop

2011-06-21 Thread Clifford Snow
It's lawn and garden in the US. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > If i'm not wrong then there seems to be no tag for shop that is specialised > in selling (and repairing) garden and forest machinery (lawnmovers, > chainsaws, trimming machines, etc.) and lightweight garden/f

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