Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-09 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 09.04.2013 um 17:22 schrieb François Lacombe : > In my mind, define a role in a relation is mandatory but you say it's > definitely not right. Roles can make sense. For example ways in a route relation may have the role forward or backward, if this specific way is only used in one dire

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-07 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 08.04.2013 um 00:03 schrieb François Lacombe : > Hi again :) > > > 2013/4/7 Martin Vonwald >> Hi! >> >> Actually how could that happen? > > I don't have example, I was only guessing. > > Assuming 2 different power plants with output generators in each (and links > for power exchang

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched Level of Detail in highways vs. other elements

2013-04-07 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 08.04.2013 um 04:44 schrieb John Baker : > As you are talking about rendering of the roads. I am actually looking at > this for the new cartoCSS mapnik style for osm.org. Have you had a look at the style "Lane and road attributes" for JOSM? I know it's not a cartoCSS style but it demons

Re: [Tagging] Wiki article about key "hov"

2013-03-28 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! Am 29.03.2013 um 00:15 schrieb Paul Johnson : > I tend to go with access=no, hov=*, and possibly motorcycle=yes or > psv=designated, since I've yet to find an HOV road that allows you to walk, > ski, ride an animal or a bicycle, etc. on it; it literally only allows the > modes specified.

[Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 15:33 schrieb Peter Wendorff : > That's why I promoted to keep bridge=yes nevertheless (see previous posts) We definitively should keep bridge=yes! Regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-02-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 15:01 schrieb Janko Mihelić : > I think that's harder than you think. What if you have the next example: > > http://i.imgur.com/ETBsfSQ.png > > How does the renderer preprocesor know if the middle line is inside the > bridge area? It has to make some difficult calculations for

Re: [Tagging] Tunnels and bridges

2013-01-31 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 01.02.2013 um 00:01 schrieb Michael Kugelmann : > On 31.01.2013 12:06, Martin Vonwald wrote: >> I'm looking for some alternatives to map tunnels and bridges that >> contain several ways. I'm not really happy with the proposed relation > -1 > The current method is used and well established sinc

Re: [Tagging] Giant river multipolygons

2013-01-28 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 28.01.2013 um 17:26 schrieb Tobias Knerr : > Am I missing something? Dont think so. > I'd like to hear your opinions. My opinion is your opinion: if there is no good reason for gigantic areas, don't use them. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Is the difference between power station and sub station clear?

2013-01-25 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 25.01.2013 um 20:23 schrieb Ole Nielsen : > It is a little bit sad that the proposal > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement > died due to lack of votes. It would have resolved these problems. Maybe > somebody could review and eventually improve it

Re: [Tagging] wiki building=hangar

2013-01-23 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
I didn't invent neither building:use nor building:type. I was also curious about building:type. I've seen these keys somewhere - cant remember where - and thought they were accepted. Obviously I was wrong. Regards, Martin Am 23.01.2013 um 16:59 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2013/1/23 Martin

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi! Am 03.12.2012 um 20:27 schrieb Ole Nielsen : > I intentionally chose not to deprecate maxspeed:wet as I had the feeling that > doing so might upset some people and I didn't want such minor issues to > affect the voting process. Of course I will recommend to use the conditional > scheme and

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-11-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi, Am 31.10.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Johan C : > Ok, so what you guys are saying is that > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Restrictions is wrong on the > description of motor_vehicles. Fine to me, but I would appreciate an > improvement of that page then. How can that be achieved

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-31 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi, The problem is the hierarchy of the access tags (see Land-based transportation in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access): the tag vehicle=no implies motor_vehicle=no and e.g. bicycle=no, the tag motor_vehicle=no implies e.g. psv=no and goods=no, and goods=no implies hgv=no. At least tha

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-10-29 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 29.10.2012 um 14:27 schrieb Tobias Knerr : > It is currently not valid - vehicle types can only appear in the key, > whereas "groups of users" (forestry, customers, delivery, ...) can only > appear in the value. For the "groups of users", it actually gives > exclusive access rights to that grou

[Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-22 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway (not the junction node, but the way tagged with motorway_link). Up to now I've seen: * the reference of the junction * the reference of the motorway * the reference of the junction not in the ref tag but in junction:ref *

Re: [Tagging] Emergency lane used by PSV at rush time

2012-10-16 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 16.10.2012 um 21:30 schrieb Eric SIBERT : > Sorry for late answer. There is so much traffic related to lanes on this > mailing list. > >> I suggest the following rewording which should reflect the initial intention: >> "Other lanes such as Wikipedia spitsstrooken in the Netherlands or >> Wiki

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: Legally separated ways

2012-10-15 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 15.10.2012 um 17:55 schrieb Markus Lindholm : > But as I'm sure you've noticed there's some divided opinion about this. That's why I asked! Actually I don't think that we see any consensus about this soon. But then I can document at least that there are two variants under discussion. If I c

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Am 13.10.2012 um 14:48 schrieb Janko Mihelić : > I don't like the "lanes" tag where there are no lines on the street, it > misses the point. It completely misses the point! The lanes tag should only be used for lanes that are somehow marked - usually with lines. A narrow bridge is a narrow bri

[Tagging] Uses of parts of buildings

2012-09-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi, A quick question how you would tag this: * one building (looks from the outside mostly like a residential building) * the building is used for three different things: an office, a riding ground (just assume it's a pitch) and a stable. * the building is not separated - it's just one building

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=cross)

2012-09-21 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 21.09.2012 um 23:43 schrieb Vincent Pottier : > But, is it possible to have something more generic across the religions like > man_made=(something saying it is a small religious monument) > (something saying it is a small religious > monument)=cross|virgin_statue|statue_of > saint|chörten|sac

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 11.09.2012 um 16:10 schrieb Georg Feddern : > http://roads.osm4people.org/?zoom=7&lat=49.60305&lon=10.72137&layers=B0TFF Thanks! This covers surface, but smoothness isn't supported as far as I can see. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

[Tagging] Completely off-topic: native speakers for a short survey needed

2012-08-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi, First I have to excuse myself for this 100% off-topic mail. I nonetheless sent it to this mailing list because here might(!) be the right target group. I need a few volunteers for a short survey. They need to be native speakers, preferable from GB, and not(!) involved in the legal or financ

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - blue_flag=yes

2012-07-06 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 06.07.2012 um 20:48 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > If you would like to subtype it, I'd use an award-namespace, similar > to how it was mentioned in the other thread: award:blue_flag=yes on > the entity it applies to (be it a beach or something else) This looks to me more descriptive and appr

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - blue_flag=yes

2012-07-06 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Just a quick thought: wouldn't it be more readable if this tag would be a subkey of beach, i.e. beach:blue_flag=yes? So you see at once that this is a property of the beach. Regards, Martin Am 06.07.2012 um 17:10 schrieb Johan Jönsson : > There are plenty of beaches (and marinas) that have a b

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 14:59 schrieb Tobias Knerr : > On 05.07.2012 14:03, Martin Vonwald wrote: >> Am 05.07.2012 um 13:25 schrieb Tobias Knerr : >> >>> There could occasionally be an issue with the value length limit, though. >> >> That's what IMO is the limiting factor. And I don't think at the data

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 14:30 schrieb Frederik Ramm : > reading this discussion again demonstrates how useless our voting process > is. Sad, but true. > It is obvious that this issue has not been thoroughly discussed, that there > is no consensus about which problem exactly it should solve and wha

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 13:49 schrieb aighes : > Am 05.07.2012 12:08, schrieb Chris Hill: >> This really is the wrong way round. We must always consider the mapper >> *first*. If a scheme is too complex there will be no data added for >> consumers to use. > This shouldn't be a problem, because you can

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 05.07.2012 um 12:08 schrieb Chris Hill : > This really is the wrong way round. We must always consider the mapper > *first*. If a scheme is too complex there will be no data added for consumers > to use. I fully agree with you, but simply wrote it badly. We need a scheme that is supported b

Re: [Tagging] Extended Conditions - response to votes

2012-07-05 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi Peter, Let's try it the other way around: how could it work (not too complex) for data consumers? IMO there is only one possibility to completely prevent variable keys and that's a solution no one really likes: = ;; When we agree (do we?) that we don't want such (or a similar) co

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2012-07-02 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 02.07.2012 um 22:09 schrieb sabas88 : > I'd opt for landcover system. +1 for landcover. IMO the tag natural should not be used for areas (yes, I know, currently it is used often for areas). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the conditions debate: first summary

2012-06-15 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
+1 to the summary and especially to: Am 15.06.2012 um 16:41 schrieb Eckhart Wörner : > I would also like to ask people not to blindly start new proposals, because > otherwise we'll inevitably end up with hundreds of proposals and no > conclusion at all. I would even prefer to have only one, sin

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 01.06.2012 um 15:01 schrieb Colin Smale : > On 01/06/2012 14:19, Jason Cunningham wrote: >> >> On 1 June 2012 08:09, Martin Vonwald wrote: >> But we have to make sure, that this values are only applied if real >> indications (e.g. signposts) are present and not e.g. if one just >> thinks that

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-18 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 18.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Tobias Johansson : >> Are we talking about >> this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg >> >> If would think this is a Magic Roundabout. >> > > Thats.. Cool :D sort of

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
ch allows large vehicles to turn around. " > > 2012/5/17 Martin Vonwald (Imagic) : >> But this is exactly the definition of turning_place: a widening of the road >> without any island. >> >> Am 17.05.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Tobias Johansson : >> >>>

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
But this is exactly the definition of turning_place: a widening of the road without any island. Am 17.05.2012 um 22:23 schrieb Tobias Johansson : > There is one thing. In Sweden we have something called "Vändplats" > http://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Vag/Vagmarken/Forbudsmarken/Vandplats/ > ro

[Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. Beside contraproductive statements and continuous vandalism (yes, I call it this way) and can't see anything useful coming from his direction. If this isn't stop here and now I don't see any point in investing a single second in th

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars II : > Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether > entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when > one or more approaches has right-of-way? Penalties for routing? __

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 26.04.2012 um 20:03 schrieb Jason Cunningham : > Major problem: You've haven't adequately dealt with the lanes=1.5 issue. > You've suggested something that can't solve the issue, but simply looks like > an attempt to cleanse it from the lanes tag and forget about it. Actually I thought it wa

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 21.04.2012 um 13:34 schrieb "Ilpo Järvinen" : > ...What I don't really care if it is called lanes=1.5 or > lanes=1/2+some_other_agreed_tag_which_is_not_an_estimated_width=x, but > simply saying that use lanes=1/2 alone instead I oppose. I would recommend lanes=2 and width=xxx. Maybe give som

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 20.04.2012 um 16:58 schrieb Jason Cunningham : > On 20 April 2012 14:35, Philip Barnes wrote: > Which prompts another question, do we have a tag for a 'passing place'? > There is a photo of one on this page > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-track_road > > Tag info shows it does highway=

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 20:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > you could have a relation to say that there is a linear possibility to > switch between the lanes (proposed area relation). This would make > some things much easier (we could use standard tags on the ways and it > would be clear without count

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Am 08.02.2012 um 18:48 schrieb Colin Smale : > On 08/02/2012 17:52, Martin Vonwald wrote: >>> I suggest putting the "lanes" qualifier in front, >>> allowing arbitrary tag hierarchies to follow at a fixed location. >> This was suggested, but dropped for better readability: see "Default >> values; m