Re: [Tagging] Limited use telephone

2024-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
They are phones, they usually dial a fixed number when the handset is lifted. Phil (trigpoint) On 24 May 2024 16:11:12 BST, Andy Mabbett wrote: >On Fri, 24 May 2024, 15:14 Timothy Noname, wrote: > >> There is a node 6397545656 marked as amenity telephone but it's a service >only for cyclists

Re: [Tagging] Limited use telephone

2024-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2024-05-24 at 15:14 +0100, Timothy Noname wrote: > There is a node 6397545656 marked as amenity telephone but it's a > service only for cyclists to contact the shuttle bus that takes them > through the Dartford crossing.  > > I think amenity=telephone should be reserved for general use >

Re: [Tagging] clootie trees/ rag trees

2024-03-04 Thread Philip Barnes
This reminded me of The Arbor Tree in Aston-on-Clun.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/436200174 It is decorated annually on Oak Apple Day (29th May). It is decorated with flags these days but it goes a log way back so I assume it was simpler cloths at one time.

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Documenting feet as an an optional elevation unit

2024-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
The legal definition of a foot is of course 0.348 m. "Since an international agreement in 1959, the foot is defined as equal to exactly 0.3048 metres'. Phil (trigpoint) On 28 January 2024 18:57:45 GMT, Minh Nguyen wrote: >Vào lúc 04:08 2024-01-28, Greg Troxel đã viết: >> Minh Nguyen

Re: [Tagging] shops for display

2023-11-22 Thread Philip Barnes
This is becoming much more of a problem. In the UK we have a shop called Argos, where you order from a catalogue then the item appears on a conveyor from an attached storage area a few minutes later. You could also ask to see something before you bought it. A few years ago they were large

Re: [Tagging] Postal verses locational addresses

2023-09-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On 12 September 2023 10:28:11 CEST, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On 12/9/23 03:57, Greg Troxel wrote: >> The fundamental issue is that there are postal addresses and what might >> be called "civil addresses" or "physical addresses" ('locational' I >> understand but is not normal

Re: [Tagging] Coach parking

2023-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2023-06-09 at 10:24 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > Anne-Karoline Distel writes: > > > [women's and parent's parking] > > I can believe it exists, and it being common in .eu explains why it's > in > the josm presets. > > You're right about caravans/ RVs, that should be its own tag as > >

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2023-04-19 at 00:39 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > > Apr 19, 2023, 00:14 by mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr: > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:08:39 +0200, Marc_marc > > wrote: > > > Le 18.04.23 à 16:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > > > > Is tagging of

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-18 Thread Philip Barnes
I have come across a few cases where a mapper has has blindly answered no to a list of octane ratings that do not exist in the country they are mapping in. In the UK it is safe to assume every filling station sells Euro 95/E10 and diesel. The interesting tag is whether it sells 98 or 99/E5.

Re: [Tagging] Slate roof tiles

2023-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
oof tiles totally different to roof tiles? >They are both manufactured to a certain size and laid in an overlapping >pattern? > >On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, 17:19 Philip Barnes, wrote: > >> On Fri, 2023-03-10 at 16:01 +, Timothy Noname wrote: >> > Slate ro

Re: [Tagging] Slate roof tiles

2023-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2023-03-10 at 16:01 +, Timothy Noname wrote: > Slate roof tiles > roof:material=slate > Or > roof:material=roof_tiles > > I admit I've used both in the past. Tiles are totally different to slates, I would never consider a slate to be a tile. Other than being used for roofing, they

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 February 2023 11:06:04 GMT, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Again sport=soccer implies a rectangular playing field with goals at either >end - that is physical infrastructure. Without the playing field and goals >there cannot be a game of soccer... > Jumpers for goalposts? To

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 February 2023 09:34:08 GMT, Volker Schmidt wrote: >I do have a typical traversable roundabout close by. hgv=no is not correct, >there are commercial activities around that need hgv access. The roads are >adequate for that > >The angle between incoming roads is not a suitabla measure, as

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
A mini roundabout often doesn't usually have a diameter. Most are jus normal junctions which have been made mini-roundabouts to set a priority. So in terms of large vehicles it is the same problem as any other junctions, whether they can turn left or right. In the UK, U turns are prohibited

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-31 Thread Philip Barnes
I am with Dave on this one. The tag is clear, concise and intuitive. It says exactly what a map user would expect to find Changing to practice_pitch with sport=cricket loses the descriptive nature of the current tag. It just becomes where cricket is practiced instead of where there are nets

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2023-01-29 at 14:31 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 12:12:06AM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > When I first encountered Canadian four way stops in 1980, I did > > think these should be mini-roundabouts. > > Thats the main point. In

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
lgende >> geschreven: >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 09:12:11PM +, Philip Barnes wrote: >>> Diameter implies there is something circular. The paint is often >>> round, not always, but most are just former T junctions or cross-roads >>> where there is n

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
he diameters of inner centre circle, outer centre circle >and circumference of the entire traffic area. Would that not only be relevant if trying to do a U turn (which is illegal at mini-roundabout). Phil (trigpoint) > >On 28/01/2023 22:12 CET Philip Barnes wrote: >> >> >

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On 27 January 2023 21:29:49 GMT, Florian Lohoff wrote: >Hi, > >On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 09:25:32PM +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> I see that I was not precise with my question: I am after a way to tag the >> overall diameter of the round surface composed of the mini-roundabout road >> surface

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
Diameter implies there is something circular. The paint is often round, not always, but most are just former T junctions or cross-roads where there is nothing to measure the diameter of . Phil (trigpoint) On 25 January 2023 17:50:54 GMT, Volker Schmidt wrote: >Is there an established way to

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-19 Thread Philip Barnes
The one I mentioned is a bit unique. It's not fake or a folly, it is an active place for burials. The internal construction is clear on the current bing imagery. Phil On 19 January 2023 09:04:14 GMT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >Am Mi., 18. Jan. 2023 um 19:43 Uhr schrieb Philip Barnes &

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-18 Thread Philip Barnes
y British and Irish barrows (and maybe other areas, but I >haven't looked at those in much detail), they are man_made=cairn, >though, just under a layer of soil. > >Anne > >On 18/01/2023 17:04, Philip Barnes wrote: >> Long barrows are not always archeological or even histor

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Long barrows are not always archeological or even historic. Maybe they could be man_made=long_barrow. Phil (trigpoint) On 18 January 2023 15:48:42 GMT, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: >The last couple of days, I've been looking at tumuli/ barrows on the >map, because it turns out, it's the same.

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-09 Thread Philip Barnes
It is likely to be confusing if it is not on the signs leading to the station. Phil (trigpoint) On 7 January 2023 19:10:17 GMT, Alexander Kane <1998alexk...@gmail.com> wrote: >I've been pondering whether to add name:en to European train stations when >the English announcement is usually

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 23:11 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > (b) a silly translation that has no basis in reality ("pont neuf" = > "Neue Brücke", or the recently discovered Latin name "sub tilias" for > the well-known street "Unter den Linden" in Berlin) Just checked this one, it has a name:en of

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 January 2023 22:11:23 GMT, Frederik Ramm wrote: >Hi, > >On 1/4/23 13:05, Marc_marc wrote: >> or nothing due the fact that the only "Mörthe und Mosel“ >> is on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51856 >> with a name=* in french :) > >It does have a name:de though, like other French

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2023-01-03 at 09:16 -0500, Nate Wessel wrote: > shop=wool ... this seems like almost exactly what I'm proposing. And > is used much more frequently than shop=yarn. > And yet for me, I never even thought to search for this. And the word > 'yarn' doesn't actually appear anywhere on the page

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
Shops selling wool are commonly referred to as wool shops so why not shop=wool? Yarn doesn't seem very intuitive to me as a native English speaker. Phil (trigpoint) On 2 January 2023 17:14:28 GMT, Nate Wessel wrote: >Howdy y'all, > >I am proposing to make official a tag that is already in use

Re: [Tagging] Private ambulance / patient transport service

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
That would be very misleading, these are not the normal public ambulance service crewed by paramedics who you contact in an emergency. There is one locally who provide patient transport between hospitals for the NHS. I would go with a commercial landuse and company=patient_transport and a

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote: > > Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit : > > I have used office=home_care for a care company. > > I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times > Would be "amenity" better than &qu

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 18:39 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > Hello, > How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal > services > or care services at home, like gardener, cleaning, assistance for > children, elders or disabled, small repairs, etcetera ? > > The tag

Re: [Tagging] Is this continouos flow a water tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 27 September 2022, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > What exactly defines man_made=water_tap? > > Open/close ability? > > Top-down water flow (rather than small upward jet of many > drinking water fountains?) > > Is >

Re: [Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers

2020-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-17 at 17:08 +, ael via Tagging wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:29:52AM -0800, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Another argument against use of hazard=* for rapids is that the > > hazard key > > has been used almost always with highway=* features, not waterways. > > Not in my

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Hazards - 2 Week Update & RFC Summary

2020-12-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 07:27 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Grid: to warn that you are approaching a cattle grid - we already > have a tag for grids, do we also need a sign to warn that they're > coming up? Welsh example (I have never seen these in England).

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 18:06 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > > > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use > > it where > > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full > > scale

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 2 December 2020, Jo wrote > > your feet may sink into the mud Wear wellies. though and beware the BULL :-) Make sure you know if it a recognised dairy breed or not. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish device ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 17:55 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not > be solvable. > > How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Humans are animals, mammals to be a bit more exact. The non-human

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-11-25 at 13:28 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 13:15, Phake Nick wrote: > > I don't thibk it is appropriate to add one-off temporary facilities > > into OSM. > > How temporary is temporary? All of man's works eventually crumble > and > decay. No man-made feature

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-11-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-11-04 at 07:26 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 23:14, Simon Poole wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We don't seem to have a tagging currently for dedicated pickup > > locations in this kind of context, bus stops etc are > > naturally > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 12:08 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 31. Okt. 2020 um 11:36 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole < > si...@poole.ch>: > > > > > > > > If there are actual legal differences between taxi and chauffeur > > access somewhere, we could use chauffeur or

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 21 October 2020, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 20:20, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:10 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:32, stevea > wrote: > > In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) > > arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking > > lots (large and small) is a sign that reads "you

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico > wrote: > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is > > free. > > There is some more information available here: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 15:44 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially > > becomes an alias of greengrocer. > > A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-10-05 at 01:53 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 > Nope. ID thinks you guys speak mostly Merkin. Somebody will have > copied the Merkin language file for en_AU and maybe changed a few > things. > Changed > BBQ to Barbie, stuff like that. :) > I do remember that some years

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-09-11 at 11:39 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > board_games=yes seems clearly superior > +1 A lot of pubs have board games available for customers to play, or they did in normal times. Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you would only

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-09-07 at 01:57 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: > in the united states we say (portable) I suspect the US word is potable, same as GB. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

2020-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 15:29 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > On 8/27/20 12:35 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > As is fair. Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as > > a > > (temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides, > > stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 10:26 +0200, woll...@posteo.de wrote: > Funeral directors are a business, this is a public facility > (generally) > on a cemetery. A mortuary is for storing corpses, that's often > associated to this kind of ceremonial place, but not necessarily. > Looking around my local

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-08-15 at 22:13 +0200, Lisbeth Salander wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Paul Allen > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, we try to avoid putting two top-level tags on the > > same object because > > of nasal demons: > >

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 17:38 +0300, Alexey Zakharenkov wrote: > As a person who have been monitoring and fixing rapid transit > networks (primarity subways) for long I can say that railway > stop_positions make more headache than advantage. Most of > stop_positions look like here: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

2020-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 15:09 +0100, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I saw parking_space=takeaway riding on the coattails of the original > postis this not a waiting time restriction? Does it merit its own > value? Perhaps I'm against it because we don't AFAIK have these in > the UK? I am not 100% sure

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

2020-08-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 13:58 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > My reading of the wiki [1] indicates that the more specific tag > overrides the less specific tag. And the transport mode section [2] > of that has examples very much like those in your question. > And: > access=yes > bicycle=no > > Means you

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 20:15 -0400, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 19:46, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > > wrote: > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in > > > height. Your definition of a regular kerb is

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-30 at 01:45 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > wrote: > > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in height. > > Your definition of a regular kerb is one greater than or equal to > > 10cm >

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 18:07 +0200, pangoSE wrote: > Fine by me to attach them to whatever. > I would not map them twice. > > Anyway I never met or heard about anyone who wanted to navigate to a > signpost. Usually people navigate to attractions like a lake or a > firepit or a viewpoint or simple

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 09:35 -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 22/07/2020 19.05, bkil wrote: > > But also consider that it wouldn't make sense to tag a motorway as > > foot=no + bicycle=dismount (+ moped=dismount + mofa=dismount + > > auto_rickshaw=no + agricultural=no), because the combination of

Re: [Tagging] amenity=customer_service RFC

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 14:06 +0200, Simon Poole wrote: > Wouldn't most, if not all, cases where this would be used already > be covered by the corresponding (and likely already in use) > shop=* > value? > > > It is also a confusing term to have chosen as prior to reading

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 11:32 +0200, bkil wrote: > I think the core idea behind such a restriction is that people only > want to go to that park for walking around (no cross-traffic), and > pushing the bike for half an hour doesn't make much sense and > allowing people to push bikes around would

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 18:17 +, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > 在 2020年7月2日 星期四 上午7:18 [GMT+8], Paul Allen< pla16...@gmail.com> 寫道: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer < > > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > I cannot deny

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:35 +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 14:45 +0200, bkil wrote: > Yes, pretty much sounds like a cukrászda to me. ;-) > > Especially if they prepare their own desserts and if they take custom > orders (why shouldn't they if they already have a pastry cook?). > > Do they have waited tables? Do they serve alcohol?

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe > > where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling > > it a

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:36 +0200, Gábor Fekete wrote: > In Hungary in every restaurant before you pay the bill, the waiter > asks if you want some dessert. She asks you, even if they only have > pancakes as dessert. So one could tag every "amenity=restaurant" with > "cuisine=*;dessert". But the

Re: [Tagging] 回覆﹕ Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 19:54 +0100, Cj Malone wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 17:15 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 17:03, 德泉 談 via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > > In previous discussion we haven’t clarify that “cafe” is a place > > > serving coffee drinks > > > or > > > a place

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 09:48 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 6/27/20 09:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you > > say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get only > > things to drink and nothing to eat might seem a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 16:33 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes > > wrote: > > > > I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as > > fast food in OSM. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as > they are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a > kind of shop that sells beverages to take home (while nothing > prevents you from buying a

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

2020-06-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 19:25 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 19:08, Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 14:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > They should probably have disused=yes or a disused lifecycle > > > > > prefix

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 15:42 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > And we already have plenty of those: > > Piste > Gabion > Kindergarten > chicane > kneipp_water_cure > bureau_de_change > aikido > krachtbal > boules > futsal > adit > gasometer > Bungalow Robot and sometimes British and

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 09:43 +0200, European Water Project wrote: > Dear All, > I am looking for a way to create permanent links to specific objects > (fountains and cafés) with images within our application ... and I > have a couple of questions. > > How quickly do OSM node and ways numbers

Re: [Tagging] Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?

2020-05-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-05-14 at 12:15 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 11:21, Colin Smale > wrote: > > [Sub-divisions of health boards in Wales] > > > I am sure someone knows where the boundaries are. > > Yes, But that doesn't mean they're making the information public. I > had a >

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On 11/05/2020 10:29, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 5/10/20 7:36 PM, Cj Malone wrote: I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not arguing that over night we should stop people using the phone tag. Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming number for

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 14:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 6. May 2020, at 13:14, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > > > In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific > > value) and I think a carillon does not have to be a bell_tower at > > all, so

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 4 May 2020, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:59, Marc M. wrote: > > > > > - avoid having 2 tags for the same thing. > > it's bad for both contributors and data-uses. > > > > Except we don't all agree that they are for the same thing, not even phone > and contact:phone

Re: [Tagging] How to tag way with two traffic signs affecting different directions?

2020-05-02 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi AntónioNormally I would add direction:forward or direction:backward to a stop or give_way to indicate which direction it applies in. Where speed limits are different you can use maxspeed:backward and maxspeed:forward. Phil (trigpoint) On Sat, 2020-05-02 at 15:16 -0300, António Madeira wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-04-30 at 13:52 -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:28 PM ael wrote: > > > I would not be comfortable tagging very rough tracks as anything > > but a track: > > if it requires a 4 wheel drive or agricultural vehicle to > > negotiate. > > I think a "road" normally

Re: [Tagging] Implied default access tags for barrier=stile?

2020-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sunday, 26 April 2020, s8evq wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Are any default access tags implied with barrier=stile? > Similar to barrier=bollard > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dbollard mentions > "By default access=no, foot=yes, and bicycle=yes is implied") > > If it's on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-03-15 at 12:42 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box > > > > A small

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020, Marc Gemis wrote: > What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of > the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1] > The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the > rest of the year, although it hosts some

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Philip Barnes
I have commented on a recent edit near me asking both questions and pointing out the url they should use. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 25 February 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.02.20 11:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Another issue I have with Hilton Hotels is all

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 25 February 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.02.20 04:36, Jonathon Rossi wrote: > > Ignoring they've just added an incorrect "website:" key when there is > > already a "website" one, Hilton Hotels appear to be adding URLs with > > WT.mc_id parameters to all their web site

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
"in-kind" donation income for tax purposes, but > that's not how an oridinary British person would talk about donating > some used books or toys, right? In kind is not the phrase we would use, we would call it a donation. Phil (trigpoint) > > Joseph Eisenberg > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi Joseph In British English the phrase has the same meaning as you describe. The most common usage is in taxation terms when an employee receives a benefit that is not money. Examples can be a cars, housing. My reaction to this proposal was the same as yours, they are describing a charity

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Often used to make residential streets into deadends to prevent rat-running, to enforce vehicle bans, to prevent delivery vehicles parking on the sidewalk instead of the delivery bay. In most cases bollards are fixed, there is usually only one or two removable bollards to create a gap wide

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 13:21 +, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 15/02/2020 16:56, Markus Peloso > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/in-kind_donation > > > > For > >

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 12 February 2020, ael wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 07:15:42PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> In the UK too paved is implied, I have never used paved. Surface tags > > >> such as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. >

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
e tags such as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. Phil (trigpoint) > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 17:14, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > Do we have any agreed implied surfa

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Do we have any agreed implied surface values for the different street > categories ? per country? > > I noticed this phrase > "in many cases this is implied by the way itself (for highway=trunk to > highway=residential, paved is implied) " >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 5 February 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 5 feb 2020, alle ore 16:11, Paul Allen ha > > scritto: > > > > 4) Where the only tags are barrier=hedge + area=yes then render > > as before, > > > +1, any object with area=yes should be

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 February 2020, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Universities may have faculties, that often deserved to be mapped separately. > > For example university may take a large area, possibly disjointed area across > the city > but Faculty of dentistry, Faculty of forestry, Faculty

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 27 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > " A restaurant where the server fills up your bottle based on his or her > humor should not be tagged as part of the refill scheme. " > Maybe add a line to clarify that the sign requirement is specifically > regarding schemes. A place

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

2020-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Saturday, 25 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Hi, > > Back in 2018 all countries in the European Union were forced to switch > their naming scheme for fuels at gas stations to the new E5/E10/B7 scheme > (referring to the amount of bio-ethanol in the fuel. > > Sources: >

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

2020-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Saturday, 25 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Hi, > > Back in 2018 all countries in the European Union were forced to switch > their naming scheme for fuels at gas stations to the new E5/E10/B7 scheme > (referring to the amount of bio-ethanol in the fuel. > > Sources: >

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Project wrote: > Hi Paul et. al, > > I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which > would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging > scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
I would tend to agree with Frederik. In GB (1) all licensed premises (2) must offer free tap water to customers. This covers all pubs and bars, most restaurants and some cafe. The mappers time would be far more efficiently spent adding a tag to indicate which restaurants and cafes are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 17 January 2020, Hauke Stieler wrote: > > A shop at an airport where travelers generally pay no taxes would be > tagged with "duty_free=yes" and optionally with "duty_free:refund=no". > Not totally accurate, in my experience. At airport duty free shops you have to show your

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thursday, 16 January 2020, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I would consider explicit mention that typical shop should not be tagged with > duty_free=no (only in cases where shop used to be or can be expected to be > duty free, > for example in an airport it potentially makes sense to use that

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 15 January 2020, marc marc wrote: > Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > > On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: > >> Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain > >> (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity =

Re: [Tagging] distance_from_road tag

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 15 January 2020, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-01-15 13:52, Lionel Giard wrote: > > > Yes this is something you can do with any distance algorithm in available > > in any GIS tool. That's not something that i would ever map as it would > > vary with any geometry change of the

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