Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-10 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:13:00 -0700, stevea wrote: > Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow. And if one wants to define exactly how that flow is controlled, there is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:handle and other tags, like:

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:05, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > >> I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a > direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a > light ray which causes the water to start flowing. > >

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a light ray which causes the water to start flowing. The objects being manipulated in this case are photons. Maybe you are being needlessly pedantic

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: >> This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a >> button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so >> water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow >>

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging
This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow begins)...yeah, these things have a knob / lever / valve (maybe it rotates,

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 12:54 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make the >> water come out, then it's a tap! > > 'taps' also come with other things for example showers. It you map a

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Warin
On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: I would not tag a bubbler as a tap. These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would not tag a bubbler as a tap. > These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-30 Thread Warin
On 30/9/22 13:01, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: I expanded https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap based on discussion here and what I researched while implementing https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4423 ("How is drinking water provided here?")

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread stevea
Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow. I don't know where the rest of it goes, but if you are "tapping" water (at a drinking fountain, a sink, as a plumber...), you strongly imply, if not guarantee, that you allow some control over the flow of it. To call it a

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I expanded https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap based on discussion here and what I researched while implementing https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4423 ("How is drinking water provided here?") Feel free to improve that wiki page (and others) if I put

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Warin
On 29/9/22 18:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 29 Sep 2022, at 09:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: particularly to distinguish different drinking fountain types <#> Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: I would not

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29 Sep 2022, at 09:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> particularly to distinguish different drinking fountain types >> >> I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"? >> > > I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"? > no, I

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Warin
On 28/9/22 21:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these. Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain You will note the different tags - some

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these. > > > Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain > > > You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of the > structure others

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Warin
On 28/9/22 18:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging : If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
IMHO, if the user cannot (normally) access it, it is not worth mapping.  Or, do you want to micro-map every control valve (same function as a tap) in the water supply system, including those that cannot be seen? Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 09:07:54 BST,

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. > around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
+1 The "tap" is the device to control the flow.  Often, but not necessarily, at the end of the pipe.  If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present.  Regards,Peter(PeterPan 99) On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 08:28:34 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 28.

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push > button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's > a tap! > > Must have the

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Warin
On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap! Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap. Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap! Thanks Graeme On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg wrote: >> >> IMHO yes. >> > > > I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature > I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water is a proper tap

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg wrote: > > IMHO yes. I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Georg
Dear all, Mateusz wrote Tue Sep 27 2022 12:46:54 GMT+0200 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clickable_water_tap.jpg You need to push button to activate (rather than turn handle) Is adding man_made=water_tap to it correct? IMHO yes. The OSM wiki explicitly lists several examples

[Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clickable_water_tap.jpg You need to push button to activate (rather than turn handle) Is adding man_made=water_tap to it correct? Right now it is tagged as amenity=drinking_water fountain=drinking man_made=water_tap and the first two are clearly