Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
> > > Think StackExchange. > > > Nice. But practicable ? > Why not? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 11:30 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > > I believe the current requirement to add a reason for a > "dislike" is important and should not be dropped by > substituting it with a simple clic

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
OK, I see the difference between our approaches. I still don't see the problem though: > If you convert that to a Key:Smoothness page, the wiki becomes > completely disconnected from the db. Sorry, I don't understand it. Do you mean the OSM database? How is it connected now and why will a change

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 10:24 +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 18/03/2015, David Bannon wrote: > > No, I'm sorry but I don't see how an interested party can be expected to > > objectively determine what the discussion concluded. > > [...] > > No, sorry, but a vote and an outcome may offend some

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2015-03-19 0:56 GMT+01:00 David Bannon : > >> * Once on the wiki, instead of a formal vote period, users (eg) click a >> "like" or "dislike" button and aggregate score is shown. For some time >> (?). Obvious

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-19 0:56 GMT+01:00 David Bannon : > * Once on the wiki, instead of a formal vote period, users (eg) click a > "like" or "dislike" button and aggregate score is shown. For some time > (?). Obviously they can also edit content to say why. > I believe the current requirement to add a reason

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 18/03/2015, David Bannon wrote: > No, I'm sorry but I don't see how an interested party can be expected to > objectively determine what the discussion concluded. > [...] > No, sorry, but a vote and an outcome may offend some politically correct > members but it is necessary. Don't you see the

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 18/03/2015, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:00 PM, moltonel 3x Combo > wrote: >> Why should the page be "converted to a feature page" ? > > Because I would mark a proposal page as such in some place. Otherwise a > stable 10 year-old feature page cannot be easily distingui

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 18/03/2015, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:00 PM, moltonel 3x Combo > wrote: >> Why should the page be "converted to a feature page" ? > > Because I would mark a proposal page as such in some place. Otherwise a > stable 10 year-old feature page cannot be easily distingui

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-19 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 23:56 GMT+00:00 David Bannon : > Kotya, in no way was I criticising the leadership you have shown in this > matter ! > > Its just that I preferred Dan's approach. Key IMHO is - > > * A proposal gets to wiki in much the same manner as now. > > * Once on the wiki, instead of a formal vote

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread David Bannon
Kotya, in no way was I criticising the leadership you have shown in this matter ! Its just that I preferred Dan's approach. Key IMHO is - * A proposal gets to wiki in much the same manner as now. * Once on the wiki, instead of a formal vote period, users (eg) click a "like" or "dislike" button a

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:39 PM, David Bannon wrote: > On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 22:21 +, Dan S wrote: > > > > So here's how I would answer your question of how would "an interested > > party [...] objectively determine what the discussion concluded": > > instead of approved/rejected, some s

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
To make it clear: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:00 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > Why should the page be "converted to a feature page" ? Because I would mark a proposal page as such in some place. Otherwise a stable 10 year-old feature page cannot be easily distinguished from a proposal created ye

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 22:21 +, Dan S wrote: > > So here's how I would answer your question of how would "an interested > party [...] objectively determine what the discussion concluded": > instead of approved/rejected, some sort of visual widget on the wiki > page which summarised the {{yes

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Dan S
2015-03-18 21:58 GMT+00:00 David Bannon : > On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 21:40 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > >> . would it make sense to change the current proposal/voting >> mechanism like follows? > >> - When the discussion calms down (which can even be defined >> mathematically if needed),

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-03-18 at 21:40 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > . would it make sense to change the current proposal/voting > mechanism like follows? > - When the discussion calms down (which can even be defined > mathematically if needed), this very page is converted into a feature > page.

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 18/03/2015, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > I think some opposition to a proper voting mechanism is concentrating too > much on the numbers. Indeed, we can have just 1 person proposing a tag, 20 > people voting about it, and thousands actually using (or miusing) it. > However: > > 1) As mentioned els

Re: [Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > +1 on showing the vote and discussion in the final page. > > And I guess +1 on the lack of a vote. The ugly proposals DO look ugly. > > --- > This works well for single proposals, but fails to capture *competing > proposals *or* subsequent

[Tagging] Revisiting proposal/voting scheme

2015-03-18 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Very good ideas and it would bring the original intention of OSM back into > the play: the numbers count and not the two-and-a-half people putting a > line starting with "yes" somewhere in the wiki. > > I think some opposition to a proper