On 30/08/2015 9:07 PM, johnw wrote:
On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
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indeed the buildings are just buildings (eventually with own names,
start dates and other attributes) , it's not them to put the name for
the
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Am 30.08.2015 um 01:27 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
A mall sits on one named landuse=retail.
a mall is retail landuse
the tag for the mall is shop=mall
A factory sits on landuse=industrial.
a factory is industrial landuse
the tag is man_made=works
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A
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Am 30.08.2015 um 01:27 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Why should the pattern for mapping industrial complexes be any different for
residential? Civic/government? Schools? Hospitals? None of the buildings in
any of those examples, when grouped together into a named
On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
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indeed the buildings are just buildings (eventually with own names, start
dates and other attributes) , it's not them to put the name for the whole
complex on. But IMHO it's neither a landuse object, it's an
From my experience, department stores allow you to pay separately in each
department, but don't generally require you to do so, except for items that
are both valuable and easily concealed, such as jewelry.
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John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only
Here in Nashville, TN, USA, back when the department stores were all
located in the central business district, they indeed tended to be
multistory. Starting in the 1970s, the downtown department stores either
went out of business or migrated to the suburbs, where land was cheaper,
and
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Am 29.08.2015 um 01:05 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Building=Big_box_retail
Shop=supermarket
Name=big stand-alone supermarket
(Shop could be a big diy store, electronics, etc as a big-box as well)
supermarkets have different requirements than electronics stores,
On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
supermarkets have different requirements than electronics stores, e.g.
because they have big refrigeration storage areas (with good insulation).
Yes, you could use them for other purposes, but it typically
Javbw
On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I thought anchor stores are dedicated areas in malls and shopping centers,
not buildings on its own (i.e. the tag would be building:part in this case)
Technically, the anchor is the large important
On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure those are or have to be landuses , eg the gated community is a
settlement or settlement part.
A group of separate buildings that make up an apartment complex is a single
named
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Am 29.08.2015 um 01:05 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
There is a mall in Tokyo with a train station going through it, with a
gigantic ferris wheel on top, with a roller coaster going through the center
of the ferris wheel! It is a spaghetti madness there!
yes,
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Am 29.08.2015 um 01:20 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Airports, malls, military bases, shopping centres, car dealerships, gated
communities, and many other locations are usually a lot bigger than their
buildings. Most locations built for cars are twice the size of
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Am 29.08.2015 um 16:07 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Without the landuse to tie them together, thy are just buildings next to each
other.
often gated communities are settlements or parts of them (e.g. neighbourhood )
but in other cases they are just a bunch of
Javbw
On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
suggests a proper entity. Landuse can be seen as a propery, I wouldn't use it
to constitute objects on their own.
A mall sits on one named landuse=retail.
A factory sits on landuse=industrial.
A
On 29/08/2015 10:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 29.08.2015 um 01:05 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
There is a mall in Tokyo with a train station going through it, with a gigantic
ferris wheel on top, with a roller coaster going through the center of the
ferris
On 30/08/2015 9:27 AM, John Willis wrote:
Why do we keep coming back to the rejection of this simple and
consistent idea? Why do people insist on making it difficult,
counter-intuitive, and strange?
I think they are attached to their past practices and knowledge.
It is very much like a
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Am 28.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
We don't have building=drop_forge and building=paint_booth for industrial,
yet those are specialty building types -
I agree those are particular building types (with particular requirements that
lead to
On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 14:43 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 28.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
We don't have building=drop_forge and building=paint_booth for
industrial, yet those are specialty building types -
I agree those are
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Am 28.08.2015 um 01:59 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
Nothing wrong with being generic, highway=residential covers a lot of
different looking roads around the world.
OSM can use existing sub tags to further describe them if required.
the more generic we are, the
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Am 28.08.2015 um 01:59 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
There are existing tags to describe the number of floors in a building. If
that is the only difference.
it's not
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On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
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true for small shops, less so for huge buildings like supermarkets,
department stores, production halls, storage warehouses, swimming pools,
auditoriums, baseball stadions, high rise hotels, shopping malls,
Javbw
On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
nah, landuse is a quite limited set of values, building types are endless...
Types.
Industrial
Residential
Commercial
Education
Hospital
Station
Civic/government
And a corresponding generic
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Am 26.08.2015 um 02:09 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
The difference between a building used as a supermarket compared to a
department store is the internal fitout, the building remains the same.
not at all, this might be the case in some areas (that I am not
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Am 27.08.2015 um 12:13 schrieb Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:
That said it's probably a bit complicated, because there will be some
overlapp.
yes, there is clearly overlap, but usually you can go with the auto declaration
of the business.
Problem for German
On 8/27/2015 2:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
not at all, this might be the case in some areas (that I am not aware of) and
edge cases, but the typical supermarket is 1 storey, in huge cases 2 (and then
one level is typically electronics, or gardening and other non-food articles
and tends
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Am 28.08.2015 um 00:20 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Interestingly, most electronics shops are on stilts - first floor is
parking, second floor is is the main floor. In Tokyo, everything is crammed
into the bottom floors of multi-story buildings, with the
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Am 28.08.2015 um 00:22 schrieb Paul Norman penor...@mac.com:
This is not generally true, although it might be where you are. A typical
department store here is one or two floors inside, with an outside somewhat
like this:
The Montgomery ward's department store in my old hometown was turned into a
Walmart (2 stories) but most department stores in California are 1-2 floors
(with most targets and walmarts being 1 story). Most supermarkets are one.
Size is the only difference in their construction, and often near
I forgot to mention, as most supermarkets are part of large shopping centres
(shops ringing a parking lot). the building is built, and the market or
whatever is merely a leaseholder. Many are purpose built inside to be a
certain one, but the architecture matches all the other (smaller) shops
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Djoiner
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dcabinet_maker
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dcarpenter
The problem with that whole carpenter page it that it's wikipedia
copypasta. And when I wanted to change anything our
On 28/08/2015 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 28.08.2015 um 00:20 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Interestingly, most electronics shops are on stilts - first floor is parking,
second floor is is the main floor. In Tokyo, everything is crammed into the bottom
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Am 28.08.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
building=residence
residence=queenslander ...
looks like a detached_house, maybe a villa in some occasions? I agree that
Queenslander is very specific and suitable for a sub-tag, but wouldn't mind if
someone
When I think class, you think specific and vice versa. We are very often
ying and yang!
There are so, so, so many single retail buildings where one store has a few
tiny kiosks inside (without being a mall) - almost every supermarket I know in
the US has an (independent) bank, a starbucks, a
On 28/08/2015 9:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 28.08.2015 um 00:22 schrieb Paul Norman penor...@mac.com:
This is not generally true, although it might be where you are. A typical
department store here is one or two floors inside, with an outside somewhat
like this:
On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
So ALL shops should all be together under shops= (even though all shops are
in fact amenities too). Same for offices.
This reduces the amenity= values to those that are not offices nor shops.
I think the easiest way to
On 25/08/2015 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
e.g. bank, carpenter, post_office As the post office is called an office I
suppose it should go as office=post_office :-) The more I think of a bank the
more I
Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin:
As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as
office=post_office:-)
The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office.
Carpenter? If I want a repair done .. then it is a service? = office. If I
want a new chair then a
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Am 24.08.2015 um 14:11 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
I have been adding 'residential areas' lately .. boring ... but it improves
the map for people who don't know how big a place is.
for me the solution to this problem are place polygons rather than indifferent
On 25/08/2015 10:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Building=retail. - existing
yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building
types here, sth. like building=supermarket or
From my experience, American English makes much the same distinctions as
what you are describing. You sometimes see a distinction between rough
carpenters, who install wall studs and the like, which won't end up being
visible to the customer, and finish carpenters, who install woodwork that
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Am 25.08.2015 um 03:30 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com:
shops sell physical things.
offices provide a service.
So an electrician would be a service = office
I would use craft=electrician here
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/craft#values
cheers
Martin
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Am 24.08.2015 um 15:33 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl:
What if amenity takes the whole building? Landuse=school for area +
building=school is enough or we still should add amenity=school for the
building?
amenity=school is for the school (service/function), while
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Am 25.08.2015 um 00:58 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Building=retail. - existing
yes, people use this tag. Personally I'm inclined to use more specific building
types here, sth. like building=supermarket or department_store or ...
cheers
Martin
On Aug 25, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are
surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of.
When I was a gamer, I played a lot of Blizzard games (WoW Diablo), and the
same situation
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Am 25.08.2015 um 10:33 schrieb Ruben Maes ruben.mae...@gmail.com:
Tuesday 25 August 2015 11:30:33, Warin:
As the post office is called an office I suppose it should go as
office=post_office:-)
The more I think of a bank the more I think of it is an office.
Carpenter?
On 24/08/2015 8:40 PM, Daniel Koć wrote:
W dniu 24.08.2015 5:30, John Willis napisał(a):
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution for me is to move shops that are in amenity= to shop=
+1
Any retail establishment should be in shop=*
Great! Thanks for your
Supported. I'm another person who wants (and will work on) a more
coherent tagging system. Thats 4 of us now. The original anarchic
approach of pick a tag, any tag is not working for me.
We have competition between tags for landuse, natural, amenity, surface,
vegetation and landcover. The
W dniu 24.08.2015 14:11, Warin napisał(a):
So I do both ends of the scale ... benches in parks and gardens,
rubbish bins .. and upto city wide areas. Both have their appeal. The
detail is most usefull for people that are there, the larger stuff for
planning.
This what I've experienced trying
W dniu 24.08.2015 5:30, John Willis napisał(a):
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution for me is to move shops that are in amenity= to shop=
+1
Any retail establishment should be in shop=*
Great! Thanks for your responses, especially for the background,
On 25/08/2015 8:58 AM, John Willis wrote:
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Craig Allan al...@iafrica.com wrote:
should be superceded by landuse=shop,
with one or more subordinate key-value pairs to indicate the type. Like
'shop=bookstore'. Plus if its a public service in some way, it can be
On 24/08/2015 11:33 PM, Daniel Koć wrote:
W dniu 24.08.2015 14:11, Warin napisał(a):
So I do both ends of the scale ... benches in parks and gardens,
rubbish bins .. and upto city wide areas. Both have their appeal. The
detail is most usefull for people that are there, the larger stuff for
I have a problem understanding these two important keys. They are
defined on Wiki as:
Shop: Use shop=* to mark the location of a shop and the products that
it sells. + A place selling retail products or services.
Amenity: Covering an assortment of community facilities including
toilets,
On 24/08/2015 4:42 AM, Daniel Koć wrote:
I have a problem understanding these two important keys. They are
defined on Wiki as:
Shop: Use shop=* to mark the location of a shop and the products that
it sells. + A place selling retail products or services.
Amenity: Covering an assortment of
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution for me is to move shops that are in amenity= to shop=
+1
Any retail establishment should be in shop=*
When OSM first started (as I understand it) everyone was struggling to define
towns - here's a road, here's a
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