Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Willis wrote: > > civic It also matches building=civic and the (unapproved) landuse=civic_admin Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The word civic ... conveys what Something for the public good; a civil service. Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread Warin
On 09-Jul-17 08:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 9. Jul 2017, at 01:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: In Australia Post offices can do passports .. so rather than using civic I would use service... service:passport=yes service:pension=yes I don't think these

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2017, at 01:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In Australia Post offices can do passports .. so rather than using civic I > would use service... > > service:passport=yes > service:pension=yes I don't think these tags are very clear, service:passport

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread Warin
On 08-Jul-17 10:35 PM, John Willis wrote: On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: How then are 'offices' that do 'sell a service' to the public distinguished? The 'access' key? That is the tough question. Apple HQ has visitors, but 99% of their offices (and they

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Why is it shop=hairdresser or travel_agency, but office=estate_agent? TL;DR: Shop: a retail space selling foods, goods, or services to customers, and is not a restaurant. Office: an commercial space

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2017, at 14:35, John Willis wrote: > > I think it is reasonable to keep private offices in office=* > > Perhaps office:access=customers / visitors / private / destination might be a > way to differentiate between the different kinds of business

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How then are 'offices' that do 'sell a service' to the public distinguished? > The 'access' key? That is the tough question. Apple HQ has visitors, but 99% of their offices (and they have a hundred or so office

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread Warin
On 07-Jul-17 10:37 PM, John Willis wrote: On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, let's get rid of "like a shop", and of "selling services" as only requirement. I think we are in agreement in almost all respects. I know healthcare proposals are

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > +1, let's get rid of "like a shop", and of "selling services" as only > requirement. I think we are in agreement in almost all respects. I know healthcare proposals are huge and have been adopted (?) -

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-07-07 8:36 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > > > > On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > charity office, a government office, the office of an ngo, the office of > an association, etc., they don't sell a service, > > I think in he

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > charity office, a government office, the office of an ngo, the office of an > association, etc., they don't sell a service, I think in he strictest of terms, they do - the embassy offers passport and

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Warin
Where a 'place' does not sell a service .. why not a different key? These kinds of things are administrative ? ... key administration_office=* ??? I'd not widen the present key office=* so that it does not include the public service type office. Incidentally the government offices I linked

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-07-07 1:18 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Offices sell a service too. The difference between an office and a shop > might be the problem? yes, some offices sell a service, but others don't. The list in my first post was all about offices NOT selling a service. A charity

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Warin
On 06-Jul-17 09:58 PM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: On 6 Jul 2017, at 13:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: - employment_agency Some people (the public) go to employment agencies to seek employment. doubtlessly. Is it similar to a “shop”? Do they “sell a service”? It will depend on the

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
> On 6 Jul 2017, at 13:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> - employment_agency > Some people (the public) go to employment agencies to seek employment. doubtlessly. Is it similar to a “shop”? Do they “sell a service”? It will depend on the kind of agency (e.g. in Germany, you won’t

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Warin
On 06-Jul-17 07:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Currently (but also since almost the beginning), the definitions of office in the wiki [1] are 2: - short: "A place of business, similar to shops" - longer: "A place predominantly selling services. These may range from the obvious services

[Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Currently (but also since almost the beginning), the definitions of office in the wiki [1] are 2: - short: "A place of business, similar to shops" - longer: "A place predominantly selling services. These may range from the obvious services such as accountants and lawyers." These definitions are