Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-06-04 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 14:16, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: This falls flat in areas where the postal service ignores the ground truth and invents their own addresses (similarly: postal ZIPs versus census ZIPs). Rural routes are just one example of this. I'd be more willing to say

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread johnw
Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer to the building. In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan. So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000 hectares and may have

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
That's a circular definition. What is the actual difference between the two types of address, in your model? On 2015-05-29 02:27, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 May 2015 at 08:24, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
Postcodes don't have addresses, but addresses can have postcodes. I say can have and not have as addresses can exist without postcodes, for example when the local authority has named the roads in a new estate but the postcodes have not been allocated yet. You need to be able to talk about

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 11:43, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2015-05-29 11:58, pmailkeey . wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 07:34, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Only Royal Mail think Chepstow is in Gloucestershire, England. Normal people think it is in Monmouthshire,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Did you ever look at the example that I've send you ? (probably not because it doesn't fit in your idea of addresses) Probably ! The house numbers are used to identity flats, not the building. Now you're

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 07:18, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: That's a circular definition. What is the actual difference between the two types of address, in your model? Only 1 type of address, just attached to a different type object. -- Mike. @millomweb

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 10:56, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Did you ever look at the example that I've send you ? (probably not because it doesn't fit in your idea of addresses) Probably ! The house

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 07:34, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Postcodes don't have addresses, but addresses can have postcodes. I say can have and not have as addresses can exist without postcodes, for example when the local authority has named the roads in a new estate but the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 06:14, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:39 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Addresses are used to identify buildings. Not all buildings need to be identified. Did you ever look at the example that I've send you ? (probably

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-29 11:58, pmailkeey . wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 07:34, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Only Royal Mail think Chepstow is in Gloucestershire, England. Normal people think it is in Monmouthshire, Wales. This is the correct postal address: 1 Bigstone Meadow Tutshill

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread John Eldredge
Zip codes, in the USA, are the same way. They are intended for the post office's routing, and don't necessarily correspond to administrative divisions of the land. A given plot of land may be in one administrative division for tax purposes, yet be lumped into a neighboring division for

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 12:57 +0100, pmailkeey . wrote: For some strange reason, RM chose settlements rather than counties to determine postcodes. They chose where the sorting offices were and from that where the lines of communication went, that is why Market Bosworth (a long way inside

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:39 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Addresses are used to identify buildings. Not all buildings need to be identified. Did you ever look at the example that I've send you ? (probably not because it doesn't fit in your idea of addresses) The house

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 08:24, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. Address on a node and address on

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 09:49, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/28/15 8:44 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Do explain first problem - where google points do you have any idea how many things are wrong with that statement? the two big ones: 1) we must not depend on anything google does 2) google doesn't even reliably get it right so handwaving where google

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
Do explain On 29 May 2015 at 01:39, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/28/15 8:26 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Postcodes don't have addresses! Where Google points, given that postcode, for a geographic address Bigstone Meadow Tutshill Nr Chepstow Gloucestershire England

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 01:50, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/28/15 8:44 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Do explain first problem - where google points do you have any idea how many things are wrong with that statement? the two big ones: 1) we must not depend on anything google

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 07:32, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal Mail's convenience, not yours. Often your (correct) postal address suggests you are in a different town, and sometimes even a different country. What would you call the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/28/15 8:26 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Postcodes don't have addresses! Where Google points, given that postcode, for a geographic address Bigstone Meadow Tutshill Nr Chepstow Gloucestershire England ummm, i think you have quite a bit to learn about geocoding. richard --

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Ross
Hi Mike, Here's the entrance https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-15.91204/135.52593 There's nothing mapped there but if you look at bing imagery you can see where the access is. Here's the approximate centroid https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-15.5677/135.7972 Cheers Ross On

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:39 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Mike. 54.212404,-3.270514

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal Mail's convenience, not yours. Often your (correct) postal address suggests you are in a different town, and sometimes even a different country. What would you call the geographic address for NP16 7JU? The postal address is Chepstow. It's not

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. On 2015-05-28 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 May 2015 at 00:39, Eugene Alvin Villar

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28.05.2015 um 09:24 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. have you dealt with

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address. In multi-occupancy buildings (apartments, shared offices etc) each

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-28 12:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-28 12:12 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you have a block of flats with 2000 people apparently living at the same address, I can't imagine that a single, shared letter box will be enough. Each apartment will have

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 12:12 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you have a block of flats with 2000 people apparently living at the same address, I can't imagine that a single, shared letter box will be enough. Each apartment will have its own address. Or are you talking about where each

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-28 11:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-28 10:49 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 10:49 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread John Eldredge
Also, large industrial facilities may have all mail delivered to a central office, yet have separate street addresses for individual buildings for delivering goods. On May 28, 2015 9:21:44 AM Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-27 11:03 GMT+02:00 Ross i...@4x4falcon.com: But if you tagged it on the 1,000,000 hectare property and it was then displayed at the centroid you'd never find the access to the property as it's centroid is not even close to the road where the address is. Yes, but more intelligent

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 27 May 2015 at 09:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Also, the address must be unique why? Otherwise they make bad routing targets /Markus ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Warin
On 27/05/2015 7:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-27 11:03 GMT+02:00 Ross i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com: But if you tagged it on the 1,000,000 hectare property and it was then displayed at the centroid you'd never find the access to the property as it's

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27.05.2015 um 11:59 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: Using that logic the address should be on a node at the main visitor entry ... only visitors will need that level of detail .. regulars will make their own way once in close proximity. no, because there are other usecases

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Colin Smale
A block of flats will also have many addresses. Each individual apartment will have its own. If there is a garage down the street which is part of the property of the flat, you could say that the garage is also part of the address. Things can get very messy... Depending on the definition you

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Ross
But if you tagged it on the 1,000,000 hectare property and it was then displayed at the centroid you'd never find the access to the property as it's centroid is not even close to the road where the address is. The entrance is here: http://binged.it/1Rn0nOY but the centroid is about here:

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise they make bad routing targets Complete addresses may indeed be unique, but the housenumber part can be and is in may countries the same for, for example all apartments in an apartment building. In other

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Colin Smale
Don't know if this can happen in the Australian model, but there may be multiple visitor entrances which are true alternatives (i.e. not one main plus one side entrance). I would hope the routing would pick the most appropriate entrance, given an ultimate destination in the middle somewhere and

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 27/05/2015 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Absent any information, tagging the plot is better than nothing. A building is better - and even better is the main entrance or an even finer scheme to separate entrance and

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 27/05/2015 09:57, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 27.05.2015 9:38, Jean-Marc Liotier napisał(a): Also, the address must be unique - it must not be present on more than one object, even if more than one POI exists at that address. So there are exceptions to this rule: I know at least one example

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-27 10:38 GMT+02:00 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: On 27 May 2015 at 09:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Also, the address must be unique why? Otherwise they make bad routing

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 27 May 2015 at 10:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-27 10:38 GMT+02:00 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: On 27 May 2015 at 09:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org:

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27.05.2015 um 02:00 schrieb Ross i...@4x4falcon.com: In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan. So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000 hectares and may have zero, one or many buildings. generally

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Colin Smale
Martin et al., It might help to have some kind of paradigm here as I think our frames of reference may be divergent. If we don't have consensus about the question we will never agree about the answer except by coincidence, and that would be the worst situation of all. What are the use cases

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread pmailkeey .
On 27 May 2015 at 08:07, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Martin et al., It might help to have some kind of paradigm here as I think our frames of reference may be divergent. If we don't have consensus about the question we will never agree about the answer except by coincidence,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: In the US where there are mailboxes with the little flags on them it seems correct to put the address on the node for that box. Common sense really. Mike, you keep on insisting that addresses should always be put on

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 00:39, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: In the US where there are mailboxes with the little flags on them it seems correct to put the address on the node for that box. Common sense

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread pmailkeey .
On 27 May 2015 at 08:48, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Also, the address must be unique why? Otherwise high risk of computer crashing Mike. @millomweb

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread pmailkeey .
On 27 May 2015 at 01:00, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Your still missing the point. Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer to the building. In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27.05.2015 um 09:07 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: What are the use cases for an address? Is it as a routing target? A label or annotation for a building? or a property in a looser sense? Is it for the benefit of the postman? Or what? it is a property of some other

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 27/05/2015 09:07, Colin Smale wrote: What are the use cases for an address? Is it as a routing target? A label or annotation for a building? or a property in a looser sense? Is it for the benefit of the postman? Or what? As Christian Quest explained on talk-fr just minutes ago, an address

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Absent any information, tagging the plot is better than nothing. A building is better - and even better is the main entrance or an even finer scheme to separate entrance and postbox. if you add an address that belongs

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 27.05.2015 um 09:38 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Also, the address must be unique why? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 27.05.2015 9:38, Jean-Marc Liotier napisał(a): Also, the address must be unique - it must not be present on more than one object, even if more than one POI exists at that address. So there are exceptions to this rule: I know at least one example where the same address is given for two

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
If a building is all one address, I see no reason not to tag the building outline. If there are multiple addresses, then nodes are a good way to go. Both schemes are in use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Ross
Your still missing the point. Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer to the building. In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan. So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/2015 6:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances rather than properties. that's

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Colin Smale
Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or may not refer to a building. The business rules to link the two concepts vary by country. An address is not usually a unique identifier of a building -

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/26/15 6:56 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Building addresses shouldn't be on nodes. Named entrances can be - on ent/exit nodes. if building addresses shouldn't be on nodes, what are we to make of the address interpolation feature? richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking -

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 26 May 2015 at 09:11, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-26 Thread pmailkeey .
On 27 May 2015 at 00:06, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or may not refer to a building. The business rules to link the two concepts vary by

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-23 1:56 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: have a look at these housenumbers, they're 5 and 7 for this side of the building (one big hotel), but the main address is from the main street (front of the buikding) and is different.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-25 Thread pmailkeey .
On 25 May 2015 at 09:14, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-23 1:56 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: have a look at these housenumbers, they're 5 and 7 for this side of the building (one big hotel), but the main address is from the main street (front of

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 21.05.2015 um 23:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Tag the building with street address and add an ent/exit node to mark the entrance. have a look at these housenumbers, they're 5 and 7 for this side of the building (one big hotel), but the main address is from the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-22 Thread pmailkeey .
On 22 May 2015 at 07:35, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 21.05.2015 um 23:53 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Tag the building with street address and add an ent/exit node to mark the entrance. have a look at these housenumbers, they're 5 and 7 for

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-22 Thread Ross
On 21/05/15 20:16, pmailkeey . wrote: On 21 May 2015 at 02:08, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote: On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-21 01:51, pmailkeey . wrote : On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-20 19:26, Andreas Goss wrote : That is the same number both on a node (once) and on the way/relation *that this node belongs to* (once)? Do you mean area when you say way? I think if a building has the address then you should not have a node for just the address. If it's a

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:13 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Info is routinely in two places, e.g. building and associatedStreet, to cope with software or people that do not support one of the places. that depends, some people use associatedStreet only to associate a

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki states that the address of an area can be tagged on one of its nodes. typically the entrance node. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Jo
If I followed it correctly, also in the Netherlands all addresses are mapped on nodes, which they lined up diagonally inside the building contours, for buildings with more than 1 address. Since they have all the data out in the open, they could import it, of course, which means they now have a

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 14:23, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 21.05.2015 um 01:51 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 15:28, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 20:16, pmailkeey . wrote: On 21 May 2015 at 02:08, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote: On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We know that

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 02:08, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote: On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:24 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Another major OSM bug ! Buildings should have no more data than name/number with regard to addressing as all the rest of the address should be available elsewhere. Easy to explain: editors ask the complete address

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-21 11:33, Marc Gemis wrote : On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:13 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Info is routinely in two places, e.g. building and associatedStreet, to cope with software or people that do not support one of

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Colin Smale
In general, there is a many-to-many relationship between buildings and addresses. Within one building, amenities/enterprises may each have their own address. An address may also refer to multiple buildings. //colin On 2015-05-21 11:30, André Pirard wrote: On 2015-05-20 19:26, Andreas

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Andreas Goss
Info is routinely in two places, e.g. building and associatedStreet, to cope with software or people that do not support one of the places. But that should not happen. If you have the realtion there should not be a addr:street tag on the building. Which is why some time ago we also had a lot

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-21 12:24, pmailkeey . wrote : On 21 May 2015 at 10:13, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-05-21 01:51, pmailkeey . wrote :

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 11:22, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Be careful in which country you do this, never do this in Denmark e.g. [1] How do you deal with buildings with multiple addresses ? Or does not not exist in your part of the world (honest question) ? regards [1]

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 21.05.2015 11:30, André Pirard napisał(a): An amenity is not an object, it's an attribute of an object like a building. That would be more true for building=school probably (building with the attribute of being suitable for school use) - things are very complicated under the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Be careful in which country you do this, never do this in Denmark e.g. [1] How do you deal with buildings with multiple addresses ? Or does not not exist in your part of the world (honest question) ? regards [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Denmark On Thu, May 21, 2015 at

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Marc Gemis
There are apartment buildings where each apartment has a different house number, (and no, they are not unit or apartment numbers and yes 2 floors with different apartments). [1] Many discussions on the different OSM lists and fora have showed that in different countries 1 building can have

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 10:13, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-05-21 01:51, pmailkeey . wrote : Info shouldn't be duplicated or triplicated either. Please be clear and justify. Info is routinely in two places, e.g. building and associatedStreet, to cope with software or

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Ross
On 21/05/15 20:16, pmailkeey . wrote: On 21 May 2015 at 02:08, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote: On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 21.05.2015 um 01:51 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: We know that addr:housenumber=* can be tagged on nodes and that it's very convenient. But wrong. what/where do you refer to? Is it wrong where you are? Typically inferring from your own experience to every other

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-21 12:16, pmailkeey . wrote : On 21 May 2015 at 02:08, Ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote:

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread pmailkeey .
On 21 May 2015 at 18:40, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: Fundamentally, there isn't a single answer to this problem. The answer we have developed in Edinburgh is to place a node on the building where the entrance is, this is largely because a single building will Costa n many door

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Warin
On 21/05/2015 7:30 PM, André Pirard wrote: An amenity is not an object, it's an attribute of an object like a building. Objects? (note pun) amenity=bbq amenity=atm amenity=fountain amenity=bench amenity=clock amenity=photo_booth amenity=post_box etc...

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-21 Thread Chris Fleming
Fundamentally, there isn't a single answer to this problem. The answer we have developed in Edinburgh is to place a node on the building where the entrance is, this is largely because a single building will Costa n many door as well as shops etc. Shops are added as nodes set back I not the

[Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-20 Thread André Pirard
Hi, We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#How_to_map_addresses and that it's very convenient. A problem in tagging the number on a node *instead* of on an area is that someone making a nice

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-20 Thread Andreas Goss
That is the same number both on a node (once) and on the way/relation *that this node belongs to* (once)? Do you mean area when you say way? I think if a building has the address then you should not have a node for just the address. If it's a amenity, craft etc. then it's fine to put the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-20 Thread pmailkeey .
On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#How_to_map_addresses and that it's very convenient. But wrong. A

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-20 Thread Ross
On 21/05/15 09:51, pmailkeey . wrote: On 20 May 2015 at 14:10, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We know that addr:housenumber http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr=* can be tagged on nodes