Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

vember 2015 17:34 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming On 20/11/15 15:19, GerdP wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that a few (940) traffic_calmings are mapped as > highway=traffic_calming , most of them also have the tag > traffic_cal

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Dave Swarthout wrote > *If we move traffic_calming to the "Other highway features"category we > will > probably see more ways segmented into highway=residentialand > highway=traffic_calming bits, and I think that would be a step back.My > conclusion so far: the wiki is missleading and most mappers

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> On Nov 22, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > highway=traffic_calming for the small way segments when we tell them > to use it for nodes. My understanding is that this is not wanted. I have a question about this. If I am mapping from the newest

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John Willis wrote >> On Nov 22, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Gerd Petermann > gpetermann_muenchen@ > wrote: >> >> highway=traffic_calming for the small way segments when we tell them >> to use it for nodes. My understanding is that this is not wanted. > > I have a question about this. > > If I am

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sent from a phone > Am 21.11.2015 um 17:07 schrieb Gerd Petermann > : > > Some mappers see way segmentation as a problem, esp. when it comes to > waterways. > As I said, I have no problem with them. with the current model, way fragmentation is unavoidable

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sent from a phone > Am 21.11.2015 um 17:07 schrieb Gerd Petermann > : > > As I said, I have no problem with them. The important part is > that you don't cut e.g. a highway=secondary into small fragments with > alternating

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Besides the way segmentation, which I don't care about at all (because it more accurately reflects the realities of the road) - does tagging a way segment with traffic_calming=* present a problem? I realize then I can't use highway=traffic_calming on the way (because it is already

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Javbw > On Nov 22, 2015, at 9:35 AM, John Willis wrote: > > large sections of them on rural roads before dangerous curves These are heavily signed as being dangerous to fast moving motorcycles in the curves, so they are a good thing to map. They have them there to make the

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well, of course diversity in tagging is a problem. For each data consumer > and > for each new mapper who tries to find out how to map something so that > their > preferred OSM-data-consuming-program is

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Dave Swarthout wrote > Sorry all. I'm on Thailand time and had to sleep. > > The highway=traffic_calming key is found on the top level highway page > here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway. On that page a link > to the types of traffic_calming device appears: >

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Rafael Avila Coya wrote: > Hi: > > What happens when a traffic calming is a crossing for pedestrians at the > same time? I have some examples in this avenue of my home town where I > live: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1080908514

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>I haven't seen humps that have crossings on them, but I have seen tables Yes, that is what I was referring to. I called them 'humps" in my hurry to get my reply off but they are more properly called "tables" and Eugene is the only place I've seen them. I don't think I've ever tagged any, so

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > But they are definitely not crossings. I've seen a few traffic_calming > "humps" (a longer bump) that have a crossing on them in Eugene, Oregon, but > they are unusual, not the normal case. I haven't seen humps

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Paul Johnson-3 wrote >> > >> Most traffic calming features are not pedestrian crossings. >> >> Where traffic_calming is not a pedestrian crossing then >> highway=traffic_calming is the prefered way of tagging. >> > > Where are you getting this impression from? None of the JOSM presets, the >

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+1 to that. On 2015-11-21 10:15, Dave Swarthout wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > >> Well, of course diversity in tagging is a problem. For each data consumer >> and >> for each new mapper who tries to find out how to map

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*If we move traffic_calming to the "Other highway features"category we will probably see more ways segmented into highway=residentialand highway=traffic_calming bits, and I think that would be a step back.My conclusion so far: the wiki is missleading and most mappers have learnedto use

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 11:22 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > > A raised area several feet across with a marked crosswalk on top is > > not uncommon in Silicon Valley and more of them seem to appearing in > > residential

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Chris Hill-6 wrote > On 20/11/15 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: >> >> So you think that every node tagged traffic_calming=* should >> >> additionally be tagged with highway=traffic_calming? >> >> That would mean we have >99% traffic_calming nodes with >> >> incorrect tagging. >> >> >> > I think you

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well, of course diversity in tagging is a problem. For each data consumer > and > for each new mapper who tries to find out how to map something so that > their > preferred OSM-data-consuming-program is

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Gerd Petermann < > gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, of course diversity in tagging is a problem. For each data consumer >> and >> for each new mapper who tries to

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I reckon I wouldn't have a problem with doing that. I have always used > only a node for the traffic_calming devices I've encountered but I can see > how splitting a way to make it a table or chicane might be

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 08:19:56AM -0700, GerdP wrote: > Hi all, > > So I started to cleanup, found a few nodes which where highway=crossing > instead of traffic_calming, found a few nodes not (yet) connected to roads > and finally decided to do a few larger changes today.

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should be tagged on a different node. Gerd Von: Rafael Avila Coya <ravilac...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:10 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming Hi: What happens when a t

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tagged on a different node. > > Gerd > > > Von: Rafael Avila Coya <ravilac...@gmail.com> > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:10 > An: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming > >

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On 20/11/15 15:19, GerdP wrote: Hi all, I've noticed that a few (940) traffic_calmings are mapped as highway=traffic_calming , most of them also have the tag traffic_calming=*, but ~ 10% did not. The vast majority (> 212000) of the nodes tagged traffic_calming=* is not also tagged

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No. That change would not be okay. AFAIK the correct tagging scenario is highway=traffic_calming traffic_calming=bump (or chicane, or other types as stated in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming) This is a hierarchical system of tagging that works well in other

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Hi: What happens when a traffic calming is a crossing for pedestrians at the same time? I have some examples in this avenue of my home town where I live: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1080908514 I find it is more important to mark it as a highway=crossing than a highway=traffic_calming

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LeaK3riwsMuv7f0i3Jt3XA/photo I would tag the crossing as a node and the "table" as part of the way, not as a node. but a combination of highway=crossing; traffic_calming=table on a node could

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: Freitag, 20. November 2015 17:33 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming No. That change would not be okay. AFAIK the correct tagging scenario is highway=traffic_calming traffic_calming=bump (or chicane, or other types

[Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

Hi all, I've noticed that a few (940) traffic_calmings are mapped as highway=traffic_calming , most of them also have the tag traffic_calming=*, but ~ 10% did not. The vast majority (> 212000) of the nodes tagged traffic_calming=* is not also tagged highway=traffic_calming. I looked at the wiki

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t >> I think that e.g. bumps are typically before the crossing, >> so those should be tagged on a different node. >> >> Gerd >> >> >> Von: Rafael Avila Coya <ravilac...@gmail.com> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Novemb

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ff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 11:22 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > A raised area several feet across with a marked crosswalk on top is > not uncommon in Silicon Valley and more of them seem to appearing in > residential areas. I suspect that it

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Am 20.11.2015 um 18:24 schrieb Gerd Petermann: I found 940 nodes which were tagged with highway=traffic_calming. Most of them were also tagged with e.g. traffic_calming=bump or traffic_calming=table or one of the other well documented values. A few were not tagged traffic_calming=*. I changed

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On 20/11/15 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote: So you think that every node tagged traffic_calming=* should additionally be tagged with highway=traffic_calming? That would mean we have >99% traffic_calming nodes with incorrect tagging. I think you misunderstand OSM. Your assumption of

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ted tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming Am 20.11.2015 um 18:24 schrieb Gerd Petermann: I found 940 nodes which were tagged with highway=traffic_calming. Most of them were also tagged with e.g. traffic_calming=bump or traffic_calming=table or one of the other well document

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Am 20.11.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Marc Gemis: On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LeaK3riwsMuv7f0i3Jt3XA/photo I would tag the crossing as a node and the "table" as part of the way, not as a node. If it is really enforced to

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18:07 An: David Swarthout; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Betreff: Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming I routinely use the combination of highway=crossing crossing=uncontrolled traffic_calming=table or traffic_calming=hump example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1463764436

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e traffic_calming=island to the same node, but >> I think that e.g. bumps are typically before the crossing, >> so those should be tagged on a different node. >> >> Gerd >> >> >> Von: Rafael Avila Coya <rav

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On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 11:22 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > A raised area several feet across with a marked crosswalk on top is > not uncommon in Silicon Valley and more of them seem to appearing in > residential areas. I suspect that it is one of the newer ways to > address the combined issue of

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On 2015-11-20 16:33, Dave Swarthout wrote: No. That change would not be okay. AFAIK the correct tagging scenario is highway=traffic_calming traffic_calming=bump (or chicane, or other types as stated in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming) This is a hierarchical

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Why is your display name different for what appears to be the exact same email address? So bloody annoying Don't you think you should have started this conversation *before* making the edits? Dave F. On 20/11/2015 15:19, GerdP wrote: Hi all, I've noticed that a few (940) traffic_calmings

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> On Nov 21, 2015, at 3:31 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Most traffic calming features are not pedestrian crossings. > > Where traffic_calming is not a pedestrian crossing then > highway=traffic_calming is the prefered way of tagging. +1 If I read this discussion

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On 2015-11-20 17:10, Rafael Avila Coya wrote : > Hi: > > What happens when a traffic calming is a crossing for pedestrians at the > same time? I have some examples in this avenue of my home town where I > live: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1080908514 > > I find it is more important to mark

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Sorry all. I'm on Thailand time and had to sleep. The highway=traffic_calming key is found on the top level highway page here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway. On that page a link to the types of traffic_calming device appears:

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Dave F. wrote > Why is your display name different for what appears to be the exact same > email address? So bloody annoying Yes, and I hope that I've now found the right way to change that. I often use the GIS interface to write posts as it is much easier to use then the interface provided by