Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
Am 12.09.2019 um 23:24 schrieb Peter Elderson: In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently, the network relation for node networks is used

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
To summarize: - (highway) Use lcn=yes on the highway; (my Idea) maybe with some more Information about the network like lcn:operator=*, lcn:ref=* or similar. - (route-relation) split up the network into smaller relations going from guidepost to guidepost. Seems very complicated, also to query/get

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I think it makes sense to map preference routes as route relations, same as node2node routes within node networks. I am not a fan of network relations if they are just collections of elements, but if the information about how they are organised and used is also present and verifiable by survey (whi

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
I see similarities of this approach with the hiking paths of the alpine clubs, but with the important difference that the routes do not have a reference. And it's very similar to a node network, except that the nodes are not numbered. It's a 1:1 copy of the road network signposting (and please allo

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 11:18, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > I don't think this is good mapping. agreed, I didn’t imply it was good mapping, what I said was that it can be mapped without question, because it is there, visible a verifiable. No need for a relation at all, and I agr

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't think this is good mapping. Firstly, this is not a route. A route is something that gets you from one place to another. This is a network of routes, and there is a tag for it, type=network[1] But this type of a relation breaks the "Relations are not Categories" rule [2]. That's why I think

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 10:49, Peter Elderson wrote: > > If there is agreement that this actually is something worth mapping, I don't > see a problem there. this is how wikipedia works, in OpenStreetMap you do not need approval of others that something is “worth” mapping,

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I would say it is a system of preferential cycleroutes to different destinations. It resembles the system of preferential truck routes in Amsterdam. It is a system, and it's visible on the ground. The arrow signs create a route to the next signpost in the chosen direction. If there is agreement th

[Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-11 Thread Hubert87
Hi, i have stumbled over the post about rcn and cycling node networks and was wondering if you guys might have a proposal for primary bicycle route mesh network relation(s) like this one https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3585265, which is in Bremen, Germany. It is neither a cycling node net