Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
I would not consider Lidl or Aldi to be discount shops in the UK. They are not really cheaper than the other supermarkets when you compare own brand products. Lidl in particular stocks some quite expensive luxury products that you will not find anywhere else, a whole Serano Ham and stand at

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Warin
On 27/06/18 08:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On 27 June 2018 at 02:22, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: I've set up a propsal, please comment: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/discounter

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/06/18 01:33, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:22 PM, marc marc > wrote: > >> >> maybe something like for=retailer >> like it exist for social_facility >> > > Best idea I've seen so far. OK, it's the

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 27 June 2018 at 02:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I've set up a propsal, please comment: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/discounter > > Sorry Martin, but to me at least, that proposal doesn't really say anything? Couldn't *any* shop become a discounter, just by

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Warin
On 27/06/18 02:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2018-06-26 17:50 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny >: 26. Jun 2018 15:53 by pla16...@gmail.com : Again, I have to say that in the UK people think of Aldi and Lidl as

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Warin
On 27/06/18 01:33, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:22 PM, marc marc > wrote: Le 26. 06. 18 à 16:37, Paul Allen a écrit : > Ummm, so how do we map real wholesalers, who sell only to retailers and not > to the general public?

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-26 17:50 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 26. Jun 2018 15:53 by pla16...@gmail.com: > > Again, I have to say that in the UK people think of Aldi and Lidl as > supermarkets. Cheaper, different brands, but in > the same mental category as Tesco and Safeway. > > The same in Poland. > there

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-26 15:53 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen : > I'd categorize Toys "R" Us as a toy store and Staples as an office supply > store. As somebody else said in this > thread, we shouldn't be tagging shops differently because their prices are > lower. > the lower price comes at a cost. > "Today I

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. Jun 2018 15:53 by pla16...@gmail.com : > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <> > dieterdre...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> >> indeed Aldi is the first (at least in Europe) to operate this way. It is not >> unlikely

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:22 PM, marc marc wrote: > Le 26. 06. 18 à 16:37, Paul Allen a écrit : > > > Ummm, so how do we map real wholesalers, who sell only to retailers and > not > > to the general public? > > maybe something like for=retailer > like it exist for social_facility > Best idea

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread marc marc
Le 26. 06. 18 à 16:37, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > `shop=wholesale` is what people are using for stores like Costco and > Sam’s Club: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwholesale > > Well spotted,  I didn't think to

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: `shop=wholesale` is what people are using for stores like Costco and Sam’s > Club: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwholesale > > Well spotted, I didn't think to look

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Bryan Housel
> Meanwhile, there probably is a need to tag a kind of store that is sometimes > referred to as a discount store. I'm > thinking of the likes of Costco or Sam's Club. They're essentially > wholesalers operating on a cash and carry basis > and which are open to the public, not just retailers

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > indeed Aldi is the first (at least in Europe) to operate this way. It is > not unlikely the discount store description in wikipedia was influenced by > Germans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discount_store > > and names Aldi and

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On 26 June 2018 10:24:16 BST, Selfish Seahorse wrote: >On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 11:01, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> Sorry for writing again, but I believe this discussion shows that the >term shop=discount is not self-explaining at all. It evokes different >thoughts in different people /

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:24 AM, Selfish Seahorse < selfishseaho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Any objections if I retag Poundland and Poundworld stores as > shop=variety_store? > That's how I would tag them if either of those chains had a presence in the areas I've been mapping. That's how I've

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > exactly. Wholesale is a different story. Discount shops do not sell huge > packings / wholesale confections with many boxes inside. They might sell > slightly bigger packages (often made on purpose for

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Selfish Seahorse
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 11:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Sorry for writing again, but I believe this discussion shows that the term > shop=discount is not self-explaining at all. It evokes different thoughts in > different people / national contexts. In Germany, the term "discounter" is >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-26 11:00 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse : > > As far as I know, prices are also low because discount stores > typically sell own labels (no name products) instead of band products, > because there's usually only one product per category instead of a > dozen of it (e.g. only one kind of

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Selfish Seahorse
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 00:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > Discount stores are, as I understand it (I don't have any remotely near me) > more of a cut-down wholesaler but open > to the public. Presentation and packaging is that of a wholesaler, and > savings come from buying in bulk. Depending on >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Sorry for writing again, but I believe this discussion shows that the term shop=discount is not self-explaining at all. It evokes different thoughts in different people / national contexts. In Germany, the term "discounter" is clearly defined, but it doesn't seem this is a statement that can be

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-26 0:14 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > shop=convenience is a smaller supermarket, usually with longer opening > hours, but also more expensive than full size supermarkets. > > I would like to point out that scale does matter. A puddle is not a small lake. A lake is not a small ocean.

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-25 18:48 GMT+02:00 Tod Fitch : > In my area convenience stores are relatively small with a limited choice > of products with the defining feature being that they are open more hours > than a typical store, often open 24x7. > > Usually the prices are higher at a convenience store, not

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 08:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > Discount stores are, as I understand it (I don't have any remotely near > me) more of a cut-down wholesaler but open > to the public. Presentation and packaging is that of a wholesaler, and > savings come from buying in bulk. Depending on >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > To my mind, =discount & =variety are exactly the same shops. While > =variety has a full article, I'd personally think that they should both be > called =discount. > To my mind they're different. Although I wouldn't have chosen

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 at 02:49, Tod Fitch wrote: > > So it is shop=convenience that is selling “from the pallet” and is likely >> to be a cheaper? >> > > In my area convenience stores are relatively small with a limited choice > of products with the defining feature being that they are open more

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Jmapb
On 6/24/2018 2:08 PM, Selfish Seahorse wrote: Hi No, a discount shop isn't the same as a a variety shop. To cite Wikipedia [^1]: A discount store or discount shop is a retail shop which sells products at prices that are lower than the typical market price. [...] Discount stores/shops are

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Tod Fitch
On June 25, 2018 8:12:33 AM PDT, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > >24. Jun 2018 22:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com >: > > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny <>> >matkoni...@tutanota.com >> >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
25. Jun 2018 17:32 by l...@tobias-wrede.de : > > Am 25.06.2018 um 17:12 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > >> >> 24. Jun 2018 22:17 by >> dieterdre...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>> sent from a

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 25.06.2018 um 17:12 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: 24. Jun 2018 22:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : sent from a phone On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote: It sounds like any type of shop

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread osm.tagging
p=discount > -Original Message- > From: Martin Koppenhoefer > Sent: Monday, 25 June 2018 06:17 > To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] shop=discount > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Ko

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Warin
On 25/06/18 06:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: It sounds like any type of shop may have discount shop variation. usually the term discount shop refers to shops selling food “from the pallet”, i.e. a smaller selection

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > It sounds like any type of shop may have discount shop variation. usually the term discount shop refers to shops selling food “from the pallet”, i.e. a smaller selection and less laborious presentation, tending to

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
24. Jun 2018 20:08 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com : > Hi > > No, a discount shop isn't the same as a a variety shop. To cite Wikipedia > [^1]: > >> A discount store or discount shop is a retail shop which sells products at >> prices that are lower than the

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-06-24 20:08 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse : > Hi > > No, a discount shop isn't the same as a a variety shop. > +1, it could be seen as a variant of small supermarket or convenience store. I have also asked myself in the past if we make these a new kind of shop or add a discounter=yes flag or

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Peter Elderson
I would call both "dumps". 2018-06-24 20:08 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse : > Hi > > No, a discount shop isn't the same as a a variety shop. To cite Wikipedia > [^1]: > > > A discount store or discount shop is a retail shop which sells products > at prices that are lower than the typical market

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Selfish Seahorse
Hi No, a discount shop isn't the same as a a variety shop. To cite Wikipedia [^1]: > A discount store or discount shop is a retail shop which sells products at > prices that are lower than the typical market price. > > [...] > > Discount stores/shops are not variety stores, which sell goods at

[Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I described it onhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Ddiscount as a clear duplicate of more popular shop=variety_store See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Ddiscount=1621726=1340500