Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, As of today, a total of 16 votes have been submitted, 11 of them are approvals. Since 2 weeks have passed and the required number of votes (15) has been reached, I have closed the voting and will proceed

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Having said this, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that people who currently actively oppose the proposal have not participated in a 4-month discussion, where most of the current concerns were

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-22 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: 7. Personally, I believe drinking_water=* is a much better solution than amenity=drinking_water: 7.1) The source of drinking water (which, I fully agree, is important for a lot of users) may not be a dedicated

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-17 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2015-01-17 at 01:03:05 +0100, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: 1. I apologize for closing the proposal during this discussion. It was not due to ignorance. For some reason, Gmail doesn't show all emails from this mailing list. (I Googled for it a couple of times, but couldn't find anything. Does

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-17 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
have you checked your spam folder? sometimes gmail tends to label as spam a number of mailing list posts; periodically going through the spam folder and marking them as not-spam seems to reduce the problem, at least for a while. Yes, I have and do it regularly. Also the all mail folder,

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: As of today, a total of 16 votes have been submitted, 11 of them are approvals. Since 2 weeks have passed and the required number of votes (15) has been reached, I have closed the voting and will proceed with clean

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
So what is the solution ? amenity=non_drinking_water ? It seems that amenity=drinking_water is cut into stone and we will never be able to change this tag, although it obviously blocks more general tagging scheme for water sources. regards m. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't get how amenity=drinking_water is a problem. It is just a tag with a wider meaning. man_made=water_tap+drinking_water=yes is a special type of amenity=drinking_water, as is natural=spring+drinking_water=yes or some other combination. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
As for newcomers, I think editors like iD should hide the intricacies of the tagging system anyway. If you click drinking water it puts amenity=drinking_water. But then it offers you all types of drinking water, like a tap, a spring, bottled water in a vending machine, a hose, a well and if you

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=non_drinking_water ? Or amenity=non_drinkable_water + a subtag describing the object It seems that amenity=drinking_water is cut into stone and we will never be able to change this tag, although it obviously

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
I didn't follow every bits of the discussion, so sorry for interrupting. Sorry also if my proposals are out of scope or already reviewed. Maybe a fresh view can help. @Marc amenity=drinking_water // amenity=non_drinking_water It feels like a good start and compromise. Either can be associated

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
I don't think the drinkable quality of water should be the prime criteria to tag water sources (or a reason to use amenity=*) A fountain will striclty have the same external and internal design either the water is drinkable or not. This data should be introduced with a tag drinkable=yes/no or any

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com wrote: A fountain will striclty have the same external and internal design either the water is drinkable or not. Here you join the other thread about philosophy of tagging. Some people describe an object, others

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
It seems that Pieren and I agree on most points. @François Maybe drinkable water is a very special case... but here service/use is much more important than object/feature. The ability to find this water on a map or from any data consumer is useful. It can even be essential to many people from

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Hi all, 1. I apologize for closing the proposal during this discussion. It was not due to ignorance. For some reason, Gmail doesn't show all emails from this mailing list. (I Googled for it a couple of times, but couldn't find anything. Does anyone have a clue?) The last email I saw was Warin's

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-15 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Dear all, As of today, a total of 16 votes have been submitted, 11 of them are approvals. Since 2 weeks have passed and the required number of votes (15) has been reached, I have closed the voting and will proceed with clean up. I appreciate all the discussion and help from your side (it was my

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate you concerns. They should have been raised in the commenting period of the proposal rather than the voting period that is coming to a close. -1. Why would it be too late ? It is not because a small group of

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread althio althio
On Jan 14, 2015 5:53 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate you concerns. They should have been raised in the commenting period of the proposal rather than the voting period that is coming to a close. -1.

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 10:45 +1100, Warin wrote: used it for - blubbers. Some have suggested using amenity=drinking_water with portable=no ... I'd like it changed to [...] portable=yes/no/boil/filter+boil/ Minor correction: potable, not portable. -- Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-13 Thread fly
Am 13.01.2015 um 17:17 schrieb François Lacombe: 2015-01-13 16:17 GMT+01:00 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com mailto:kotya.li...@gmail.com: I vote yes but this will automatically need a refinement. Have you also voted at

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-13 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_tap#Voting I voted earlier today 'no' to this proposal in its current state and provided my arguments. But now I'm asked to forward them on this mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-13 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-13 16:17 GMT+01:00 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com: I vote yes but this will automatically need a refinement. Have you also voted at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_tap#Voting ? Yes, as Fanfouer I fully agree regarding the (in)consistency

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-13 Thread Warin
On 14/01/2015 12:01 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:35:39 +0100 From: Pieren pier...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap Message-ID

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-12 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Kotya, Thank you for this proposal and for the work around to complete it. In my opinion, and I'm sorry for rough words, it's a bit useless because of lack of consistency with many other tags. Such water taps may be part of larger networks with many kind of features. Building a proposal for