Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 15:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is WIkipedia definition > > "A delicatessen or deli is a retail establishment that sells a selection of > unusual or > foreign prepared foods" > > correct? > > Because in that case this shop would be exact

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

When in doubt, OSM prefers UK terminology. Also, I suggest using non-ambiguous notation whenever possible, so please share if you know another widespread word in place of 'deli'. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 5:44 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 14:22, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 14:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is WIkipedia definition > > "A delicatessen or deli is a retail establishment that sells a selection of > unusual or > foreign prepared foods" > > correct? No. I've changed it to "fine, unusual or foreign prepared foods". But note also

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On 17/10/2018 14:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is WIkipedia definition "A *delicatessen* or *deli* is a retail establishment that sells a selection of unusual or foreign prepared foods" correct? "foreign" - not in English, no, and none of the

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Is WIkipedia definition "A delicatessen or deli is a retail establishment that sells a selection of unusual or foreign prepared foods" correct? Because in that case this shop would be exact opposite. Pierogi are one of the mosttraditional meal and are

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When in doubt, there's always description=* (along with strapline=*) intended for users and fixme=* or note=* for editors. A determined individual could reclassify POI later on without traveling the whole country if a reputable editor leaves enough information. Just wanted to mention that around

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Am Do., 11. Okt. 2018 um 21:21 Uhr schrieb Mark Wagner < mark+...@carnildo.com>: > There are no "more knowledgeable mappers" in my area. I > am the only person in an area the size of the United Kingdom to make a > concentrated effort at mapping business: if I don't map it, it won't > get mapped

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> On Oct 12, 2018, at 4:20 AM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > There are no "more knowledgeable mappers" in my area. Do what you gotta do - but it shouldn't be the method that is reccommended. Thanks for mapping such remote places, BTW. Javbw. ___

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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > Empire Foods", The name doesn't help much either. A convenience store? Food production? (Not a shop) Food distribution? (Not a shop) Is it a greengrocer? A butcher? A supplier of Prepackaged foods sold B2B for convenience stores

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No. Sometimes, all I know about a store is what it says on the sign out front. If the store calls itself "Empire Foods", it's a good bet it sells food. -- Mark On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:04:39 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on

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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > It's much more precise than shop=yes (which is used a lot) and I know > what food is, even if I don't know shop type details. That is true. But it is being used to tag things that should have their own tag value. it’s like if we used

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Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on satellite imagery. If you know that a shop sells “food”, you can also say if it sells fresh food or nonperishables or prepared food, no? On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:42 PM Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John

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W dniu 11.10.2018 o 05:08, John Willis pisze: > the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. > it needs to be much narrower.  > > it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either.  It's much more precise than shop=yes (which is used a lot) and I know what food is, even if

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the definition of shop=food is way way way to vague to have meaning. it needs to be much narrower. it is like shop=goods. we don’t need that either. > On Oct 11, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > > Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on the wiki talk page for shop=deli >

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On 10/10/2018 6:14 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? I approved it yesterday! Those should be 1. shop=deli, Have you done a survey? Adding "Deli" to a shop name does not make it a delicatessen. Amen! I wrote a whole spiel about this on

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Then there's also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dnutrition_supplements depending on main profile On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:17 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > [...] > > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved > >

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On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 03:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > [...] > shop=food. This tag has not yet been approved Approved by whom? > I checked overpass turbo in London, New York, and San Franciso. The > latter had no uses; London has the most. The first few shop=food on > the list are > > 1.

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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 4:39 AM, bkil wrote: > > Why is shop=convenience not a proper tag for "the only retail building > in 40 miles radius"? Usually, the small retail shop in a very remote place is tailored to the daily needs of locals and tourists who do activities in that area. they stock

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Why is shop=convenience not a proper tag for "the only retail building in 40 miles radius"? Extra tags could be invented to highlight that it has a larger variety of non-food items than usual, or we could introduce a subtype with convenience=*. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:42 AM John Willis wrote: >

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On 10/9/2018 6:55 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Both, restaurants and fast food places require that you can get there and get something ready to eat. If all they sell are products that require further preparation / cooking, I would not tag them as restaurant or fast food (with the exception

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Am Di., 9. Okt. 2018 um 04:57 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > I think I agree with you that "take-and-bake" places are a type of > restaurant or fast-food; that's how they are being tagged in the USA. > > IMHO a restaurant usually requires tables (or culturally

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Am Di., 9. Okt. 2018 um 00:52 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > In the USA there are shops that sell custom fresh pizzas, but they are > uncooked. You take the prepared pizza home and cook it yourself. In the > western USA, the chain is named “Papa Murphy’s Take And

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You know, some people have advocated for a tag or, more properly, a set of tags that can enumerate the items sold by a given shop. The tag set uses the key "sells:*=yes/no. So if a given shop sells Korean food, one could tag it as shop=food (or shop=convenience or grocery, or general) and

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If you think the specialty shops should have there own tag, we could start using shop=specialty_grocery But I would like someone from England to confirm if this is the specific British term. I’m ok with using shop=general for the small shops in developing countries, if we can edit the wiki to

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sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience shops. - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or special cultural interest - “markets” in developing countries. >

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Javbw, Thanks for the detailed discussion. I think I agree with you that "take-and-bake" places are a type of restaurant or fast-food; that's how they are being tagged in the USA. What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops in developing countries and specialty grocers

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> On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > shop=food > + cuisine=local/polish. -1 shop=food is called a market. we have that already. cuisine=* is for restaurants and other non-shop places. amenity=fast_food fast_food=take-n-bake (or whatever is decided:

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

In the USA there are shops that sell custom fresh pizzas, but they are uncooked. You take the prepared pizza home and cook it yourself. In the western USA, the chain is named “Papa Murphy’s Take And Bake Pizza” These have generally been tagged as restaurants or fastfood. In this case

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In British English usage, would shop=grocery be appropriate for small shops that sell mainly non-perishable food and groceries? In America we really would never call any shop a “food store” or “food shop.” On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:02 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > >

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W dniu 08.10.2018 o 23:00, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: > +1 to a dedicated tag, e.g. deli=pierogi > Maybe you’d want to distinguish deli from ordinary pierogi though. > What about shop=food food=pierogi for the „usual“ pierogi shop? I have tagged similar shops. They sell typical Polish cuisine,

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sent from a phone > On 8. Oct 2018, at 20:17, bkil wrote: > > How do you like this one? > shop=deli + cuisine=pierogi +1 to a dedicated tag, e.g. deli=pierogi Maybe you’d want to distinguish deli from ordinary pierogi though. What about shop=food food=pierogi for the „usual“ pierogi shop?

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How do you like this one? shop=deli + cuisine=pierogi On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 2:11 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 7. Oct 2018 04:33 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > > So this tag isn't very specific yet > > > I used it because it was not specific for >

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Not sure it's a good idea to render it if no one really knows what it means :) Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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7. Oct 2018 04:33 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com : > So this tag isn't very specific yet I used it because it was not specific for https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3033173319 It is selling only one